Get it together, man
Friday, Aug 4, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller
* Gov. Rauner met with the Northwest Herald editorial board yesterday. Among other topics, he told board members what will happen now that he’s issued an amendatory veto of SB1. This Rauner comment can be found at the 27-minute mark…
There are really three scenarios. My amendatory veto could be upheld. Which is, hopefully that’s what’s done. They’ve done it. They’ve upheld my amendatory veto on many bills. For example, automatic voter registration. I amendatory veto, they came back, that’s getting done. And they’ve done it on others, public safety ones and others. So this is very doable. Some people have said, ‘Well, he AV’d it so it’s dead, it’s over.’ No. They’ve done it repeatedly. They’ve upheld my amendatory veto in the past. So this is very doable.
OK, first of all, as we just discussed on Tuesday, Gov. Rauer did not issue an AV on the AVR bill. He straight-up vetoed that bill and it died when the General Assembly could not override him. He issued a statement along with his veto saying what he could support, but it was not an amendatory veto. The General Assembly took much of what he wanted and put it in a new bill which he is apparently going to sign.
* An explanation from the governor’s press office…
The governor was making a conceptual point that in the past our veto messages have been adopted by the legislature through another vehicle and passed into law. For instance, after we proposed an outright veto of automatic voter registration legislation and a counter proposal, the lead negotiator, Andy Manar, ultimately turned to compromise towards a unanimous vote.
Ultimately, the governor’s point is that the legislature has several options before them, one of which is to adopt his AV. Otherwise, we stand ready and waiting if Democrats want to come to the table and negotiate in good faith.
OK, but if you watch the video, the governor told the editorial board that there are three scenarios, and accepting his AV was the first such scenario. Rauner then accurately noted the second scenario is an override of SB1. And the third scenario, the governor himself said, is that the Democrats work on a new, bipartisan proposal and get it to his desk.
The fact is the General Assembly has never once accepted any of the governor’s amendatory vetoes.
* From the Senate Democrats…
Looks like three AVs this session. SB 1 — pending. SB 1839 — dead. HB 1811 — overridden. It looks like 32 AVs last session (two year span). Only 2 became law, both by override. HB 1 — that was the opioid bill. SB 440 — Chicago pensions.
So, 35 amendatory vetoes issued so far and not a single one was accepted.
- JAH - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 9:48 am:
Rich,
The first assumption we all make is that anyone elected to the Governors office would have some knowledge or background of the process (or at least have staff that does) …. several suggest he lies…. but is it a lie if you don’t have a clue what you are talking about?
- Joe M - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 9:49 am:
I wish Rauner (and Trumps) nose would grow an inch longer every time they lied.
- West Side the Best Side - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 9:50 am:
Rewriting history as it happens. Just getting more Trump-like everyday.
- Dance Band on the Titanic - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 9:52 am:
But officials from the boy scouts and the president of Mexico called Rauner and told him it was the best AV ever.
- Anon221 - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 9:52 am:
Joe M- But it’s the “truth” in Rauner World. We have all just lost “focus”
- Flynn's mom - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 9:58 am:
I love “the governor was making a conceptual point”. Is that code for the governor lied or the governor has no clue how this governin’ process works?
- wordslinger - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 9:59 am:
Can we assume every time Rauner demonstrates ignorance about his job that he’s making a “conceptual point,” whatever that is?
- Cranky in Kankakee - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:05 am:
Wondering why no one has yet published an ad juxtaposing Rauner’s lies with factual evidence to the contrary.
Sort of a claim/rebuttal montage. Just a thought.
- My New Handle - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:07 am:
Conceptual point=Alternative fact.
- winners and losers - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:10 am:
“[Rep. Will] Davis, however, told me the 15-day clock doesn’t start until the Senate reconvenes, and there’s no set date when that might occur.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/daily-southtown/opinion/ct-sta-slowik-school-funding-st-0804-20170803-story.html
It looks like Rauner is not the only one who does not know the Illinois Constitution.
- Rabid - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:13 am:
bruce almighty’s immaculate conception
- Juice - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:18 am:
winners and losers, huh?
The clock in the house doesn’t start until the Senate takes action on the AV. So Rep. Davis is correct.
- Cubs in '16 - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:20 am:
===Wondering why no one has yet published an ad juxtaposing Rauner’s lies with factual evidence to the contrary.===
That could take until the 2026 election.
- Cubs in '16 - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:22 am:
If Rauner is issuing conceptual AVs then a conceptual override in the GA should suffice…
- Norseman - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:26 am:
Rauner said that he was concerned about messaging. He didn’t say he was concerned about truthful or accurate messaging.
- 360 Degree TurnAround - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:28 am:
The clock has already started in the Senate. AV read into the record on August 1st. Must be acted upon by August 16th. Upon Senate action, the House may or may not receive the motion. If it passes the Senate, the House reads into the record, beginning their 15 day clock.
- 360 Degree TurnAround - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:31 am:
I have to wonder again…I don’t think this AV was really thought through by the governor or his staff. I think this is over their head. I don’t think they realize that there are former ISBE staffers, many education experts, that will call their bluff. I don’t think they reach out for help, I don’t think they have the experts on this.
- DuPage Bard - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:31 am:
Just add it to the list of lies. No one cares he says it the media goes duh okay.
Just like he’s not involved in politics. Wait until those who voted for the budget or the override of SB1 see how uninvolved he is in. politics.
- Norseman - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:32 am:
The path we’re on because of Rauner is that SB 1 and funding reform dies. Negotiations will begin on a band aid to keep schools open. True school funding reform becomes another victim of Rauner crusade to make things over in his own image.
- winners and losers - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:33 am:
“[Rep. Will] Davis, however, told me the 15-day clock doesn’t start until the Senate reconvenes, and there’s no set date when that might occur.”
It is an imprecise sentence. As it reads it may say the 15-day clock in the Senate does not start until the Senate RECONVENES.
It could mean that Davis actually said that the 15-day limit in the House does not begin until the Senate actually VOTES.
- 360 Degree TurnAround - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:33 am:
I think the Governor should have a town hall meeting on education funding to call for support of his AV. No more editorial boards, talk with the people man.
- WhoKnew - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 10:38 am:
They may be lies, but they sound much more pleasant after they run them thru the “Word Salad”!
/s
- walker - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 11:22 am:
Or: “I’m an idea man. Managing the process is your problem.”
- Pelonski - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 12:21 pm:
To me, this shows the difference between his new and old staff. The new staff is trying to justify his mistake. The old staff would have glossed over the mistake and used it as a reason to attack Madigan and the Democrats. If they don’t get there “messaging” (i.e. propaganda) focused better, he is going to get killed in the general election.
- George Costanza - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 12:30 pm:
“Remember…it’s not a lie if you believe it”
- Mama - Friday, Aug 4, 17 @ 2:10 pm:
Telling the truth is apparently to much trouble for Rauner & Trump.