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Rauner veto react

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2018

* There’s more react here from before the governor actually vetoed the gun dealer licensing bill. But I’ll be updating this post with react from now on, so check back. First up, Sen. Harmon…

State Senator Don Harmon (D-Oak Park) issued the following statement in response to Gov. Bruce Rauner’s veto of the Gun Dealer Licensing Act:

“The governor must be much more concerned about his immediate political prospects than we thought, because he decided to be a lap dog for the NRA today rather than listen to the people he represents.

“Eighty-five percent of Illinoisans support licensing gun dealers. Governor Rauner has decided to be the governor of the nine percent who don’t.

“Tomorrow, students across the country will stand up and beg elected officials to do their job and protect schools from gun violence. By issuing this veto on the eve of those demonstrations, the governor is telling them that he has no intention to live up to that responsibility.”

The bill passed with just 30 Senate votes and 64 House votes, so I kinda doubt it’ll be overriden. We’ll see.

* Speaking of the walkout…

Senator Melinda Bush will stand in solidarity with students across the country by leading a walkout against gun violence on Wednesday at the Capitol.

“We’re standing in solidarity to honor gun violence victims and let students across Illinois know that their voices matter and that we hear them,” said Bush (D-Grayslake). “The voices of these students have broken though partisan politics, and their actions have brought about commonsense conversations on gun safety.”

Who: Senators, staff, lobbyists, advocates and anyone who wishes to participate. Speakers will include Senator Bush, Senator Chris Nybo (R-Elmhurst) and Senator Jacqueline Collins (D-Chicago)

What: A 20-minute Capitol walkout and short program: 17 minutes for the Parkland victims, one minute for Chicago Police Commander Paul Bauer and two minutes for all victims of gun violence

Where: Participants will walk from east Capitol doors to the Abraham Lincoln statue for the program

When: 10 a.m. Wednesday, March 14

Why: To stand in solidarity with students across the country and in our districts who are calling for honest, bipartisan conversations about gun safety and to honor the victims in Parkland, Commander Paul Bauer and all victims of gun violence

* Gov. Pat Quinn…

Gov. Rauner’s veto of common-sense regulation of Illinois firearms dealers is appalling but not a surprise. Coming one week before our state’s primary election, it’s a reminder of the governor’s abdication of leadership, regardless of the harm done to all Illinois citizens.

I have worked tirelessly, in and out of office, to make our communities safe from gun violence. As Attorney General, I will challenge efforts by the Trump administration to weaken state regulations of firearms. There is no higher or more urgent calling for an office that must be the lawyer for everyday people and the guardian of their well-being.

* According to published reports, the NRA has contributed to Democratic Rep. Sam Yingling in the past and he’s been given an “A” rating. Here’s his statement…

I’m disappointed in Bruce Rauner’s veto of the common-sense gun safety reform measures outlined in SB1657. In a press release following his veto, the governor tried to offer “starting points” for having “serious conversations,” leading me to question whether the governor has been paying attention to the urgent national and local dialogues following the tragedy in Florida.

The conversations I have had with students, mothers, law enforcement officials, and community members in my district over the last few weeks have brought one fact into focus for me: reasonable gun safety measures promote responsible gun ownership and keep our schools and communities safe.

I will continue working with my colleagues in the legislature to send the governor common-sense gun safety bills. I hope he learns to listen to the people in my district and across Illinois who are demanding that we do better when it comes to protecting our children.

* Kathleen Sances, President and CEO of the Illinois Gun Violence Prevention PAC (GPAC)…

“This veto is a punch in the gut to victims of gun violence and their families who dedicated years of their lives to get this bill passed. The Gun Dealer Licensing Act had the potential to save thousands of lives and instead of following suit with cities like the Village of Lyons, which passed its own version of this legislation catching 51 guns in the first year and a half alone, the governor instead decided to stand shoulder to shoulder with the NRA. And now, thousands more lives might be lost because of his inaction.”

* Rep. Scott Drury…

“It is a sad day for Illinois when a governor puts his political interests ahead of the public interest. Yet, in vetoing the Gun Dealer Licensing Act, Governor Rauner did just that. Illinois is in the midst of a gun violence epidemic. The NRA constantly says that criminals – not guns – kill others. The Gun Dealer Licensing Act will keep guns out of the hands of criminals. As a co-sponsor of the Gun Dealer Licensing Act, I know this legislation could save lives. Governor Rauner failed Illinois today.”

* Jesse Ruiz…

Governor Rauner’s veto of the gun measure that would have required the state of Illinois to license gun dealers shows his complete lack of courage and failed leadership. With the number of mass shootings affecting our country, this measure was a step in the right direction by requiring dealers and employees to be trained to conduct background checks, stop thefts, properly store guns and prevent straw purchasing - all urgently needed reforms in Illinois. With the primary election upon us, let’s hope this frustration turns into action at the polls.

- Posted by Rich Miller        

26 Comments
  1. - Chris Widger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:49 pm:

    ==What: A 20-minute Capitol walkout and short program: 17 minutes for the Parkland victims, one minute for Chicago Police Commander Paul Bauer==

    It’s highly offensive to take that minute for Bauer unless the Capitol is willing to try to pass the type of gun reform Bauer actually called for; that is, stronger sentencing and higher bail requirements for gun offenders.


  2. - 47th Ward - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:54 pm:

    ===so I kinda doubt it’ll be overriden===

    Despite my hopes, I think you’re right. Probably the only way any Rs step up to vote to over-ride is if Ives manages to win the primary.


  3. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:56 pm:

    ===Probably the only way any Rs step up to vote to over-ride is if Ives manages to win the primary.===

    This.

    Rauner’s veto is cover for Raunerites.

    Rauner loses, former Raunerites need protection from Ives.

    The political math is what it is.


  4. - Montrose - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:01 pm:

    I had forgotten about tomorrow’s walkout. Media juxtaposing kids taking action to stop gun violence with the Guv’s veto of pretty benign gun regulation will only help to keep moderate republicans at home next Tuesday. Not exactly what Rauner needs.


  5. - downstate commissioner - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:04 pm:

    Willy, with MUCH respect, this veto was not for the Raunerites, it was for common sense reaction to the gun violence. This is feel-good legislation, not needed because of the federal licensing requirements. I am not a Raunerite, will vote against against him any chance I get, but this was unnecessary legislation.


  6. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:11 pm:

    - downstate commissioner -

    Too kind.

    Looking at this from the political, not from the practical, signing had a longer shelf-life, if paired with the HB40 signature, moving far, far off the insinuation Rauner is a “far right Trumpian” type of Governor.

    I can agree the veto isn’t what it seems to be, and understand why the veto is warrented… and see the politics of those wanting signature and those wanting veto.

    My take here is 100% to and about the overall, long term political.

    I’m not addressing the practical.

    You’re all good. See your point, and the point to the veto to the practical, but I’m looking at it solely from the political.

    OW


  7. - Dee4Three - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:21 pm:

    Federal licensing requirements don’t matter if the ATF doesn’t have the manpower or political motivation to enforce federal mandates.

    What’s more is that the proposed state scheme actually calls for common sense practices that good retailers already follow.


  8. - anon2 - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:27 pm:

    State officials normally favor state prerogatives, rather than voluntarily ceding them to the feds when it comes to licensing. Republicans normally favor states’ rights.


  9. - Streamwood Retiree - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:33 pm:

    Strange that my barber needs to be licensed, but gun dealers don’t.


  10. - Anon221 - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:34 pm:

    More from Harmon and override votes-

    The gun licensing bill now heads back to the Senate. State Sen. Don Harmon, D-Oak Park, its chief sponsor, said he will call for an override of the governor’s veto.

    If there is a vote, it will likely have to be in the next few days. Since the Senate is in session, they only have 15 days to take action on the veto, which presents a potential conflict as the body is scheduled to be adjourned for three weeks once they gavel out this Thursday.

    Yet it will be a tough climb regardless as the measure, SB1657, passed both houses with less than veto-proof majorities. But, Harmon believes the tides are shifting.

    “I think the mood is changing and I think suburban voters in particular are rising up and saying enough is enough, we demand our legislators do the right thing,” Harmon said. “So I’m hoping that some of my Republican Senate colleagues, particularly in those suburbs, will stand up and be counted and join me in overriding the governor’s veto.”
    Senators plan to walk out of the Illinois Capitol on Wednesday morning to protest gun violence in solidarity with high school students doing the same across the country.

    Source- http://www.sj-r.com/news/20180313/gov-rauner-vetoes-gun-store-licensing-bill


  11. - Practical Politics - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:35 pm:

    Customary political grandstanding at its worst.

    Where were the gun control bills when the Democrats had legislative super-majorities and Blagojevich and/or Quinn were in office?

    It is all so predictable. Rauner’s expedient veto and the Democratic response.


  12. - Anon708 - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:38 pm:

    While the feds don’t have the manpower to enforce it, Illinois State Police certainly does not either. This bill was garbage from day one. Go try and get an FFL - see how easy it is… I’ll come back in 90 days after you’ve been finger printed, background checked at the highest level, visited by BATFE, talked with your chief law enforcement officer in your jurisdiction etc… Bygons bad bill - I do hope some of the discussion that came along with it continues forward (some of the things said at the senate hearing in Chicago actually made sense).


  13. - walker - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:44 pm:

    “”…Village of Lyons, which passed its own version of this legislation catching 51 guns in the first year and a half alone,”"

    Obviously “the ATF does this already” isn’t a legitimate out.


  14. - StrugglinDem - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:52 pm:

    He must actually be worried about his right flank. Maybe there is some truth to Ives’ within 10 points statement.


  15. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:59 pm:

    == Strange that my barber needs to be licensed, but gun dealers don’t. ==

    Feds already license the gun dealer.


  16. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 3:05 pm:

    == What’s more is that the proposed state scheme actually calls for common sense practices that good retailers already follow. ==

    My local gun shop already has everything in place this bill called for; his insurance company required all of it.

    But … this bill exempted the local big box store with firearms sales of 20% or less of gross sales from complying with any of the rules in this vetoed bill.


  17. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 4:41 pm:

    More overhead for a ligit business and gov jobs…how about what Bauer wanted vs this mumbo jumbo.


  18. - Mike Cirrincione - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 4:51 pm:

    “A Well Regulated Militia…” is in the Constitution the Conservatives love to quote from all the time.

    Guns ARE regulated. It’s the law.


  19. - Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 5:07 pm:

    ==Guns ARE regulated.==

    Which means what…exactly? There are approximately 263 million cars that can be matched to owners. What about the 300 million guns?


  20. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 5:41 pm:

    == What about the 300 million guns? ==

    In some states, the guns are registered. In Illinois, the owner is registered via the FOID … which was a compromise since they couldn’t pass actual gun registration. At the time the FOID was implemented, there was very minimal state firearms regulation in Illinois.

    And comparing to cars is a false equivalence; owning a firearm is a right enshrined in the US Bill of Rights; driving a car is a state regulated privledge.


  21. - jwk - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 5:44 pm:

    jocko you are exactly right could not agree more


  22. - Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 6:03 pm:

    == owning a firearm is a right==

    No offense, but a gun club member selling to someone on armslist.com doesn’t strike me as a well regulated militia


  23. - anon2 - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 6:32 pm:

    === Where were the gun control bills when the Democrats had legislative super-majorities and Blagojevich and/or Quinn were in office? ====

    There were still lots of downstate Democrats during the early 2000s, all of them (except one from Urbana) were NRA 100 percenters. Rep. Phelps was the chief sponsor of concealed carry. Since then, downstate has gotten more Republican. Some suburban Democrats also used to get NRA endorsements.


  24. - jwk - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 6:34 pm:

    the founding fathers where some pretty bright men but could not for see 200 years down the road to the weapons of today changes need to be made


  25. - anon - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 7:29 pm:

    The founding fathers were much more concerned with a tyrannical government driven by hysterical mob pressuring it to disarm its citizenry. Its the Constitution and the bill of rights that have made this country what it is today.


  26. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:04 pm:

    == a gun club member selling to someone on armslist.com doesn’t strike me as a well regulated militia ==

    After the Heller and McDonald decisions established the individual right to own and carry, the “well regulated militia” part is pretty much irrelevant.

    Still supposed to be transferred by a FFL holder if it is not a face to face transfer. And in Illinois, both people have to hold FOID’s, record the details, and keep the records for many years should law enforcement request a trace on a specific weapon.


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