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*** UPDATED x4 - DGA, Cullerton, Biss, Kennedy blast Rauner - Prizker says Rauner “cares more about winning his primary than doing his job” - Emanuel: Veto is “slap in the face to crime victims, faith leaders and police” *** Rauner now says he’ll veto gun dealer licensing bill

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2018

* So, he goes through that long, dodging dance yesterday and refuses to answer Chicago reporter questions about whether he’ll sign the gun dealer licensing bill, then goes on a southern Illinois radio station early this morning to say he’ll veto it. Here’s Tina Sfondeles

Despite Democratic pressure from Mayor Rahm Emanuel and gubernatorial rivals just days before the primary election, Gov. Bruce Rauner on Tuesday said he plans to veto a gun measure that would have required the state to license gun dealers.

In an interview with WJPF radio station in southern Illinois, Rauner said he’ll veto the measure, while also calling on the four legislative leaders to appoint members to a public safety commission to talk about mental health and school safety, according to the governor’s office.

The governor’s office said Rauner will veto the bill later Tuesday.

Asked what he’d do about the bill on Monday, Rauner repeatedly said he favored a “comprehensive solution,” without answering what he’d do with it.

The full interview is here.

*** UPDATE 1 *** Press release…

Statement from Mayor Emanuel on Governor Rauner Plan to Veto Gun Dealer Licensing Act

With one week left in his campaign, Governor Rauner just put his primary election ahead of his primary responsibility to protect the safety of the people of Chicago and Illinois. The governor’s decision was cruel, it was cold and it was calculated to benefit his own politics at the expense of public safety. This veto is a slap in the face to crime victims, faith leaders and police who have pleaded with Governor Rauner to protect public safety by signing the Gun Dealer Licensing Act. This failure will be his legacy.

*** UPDATE 2 *** Pritzker campaign…

“With daily gun violence ravaging our communities and tragic mass shootings plaguing our country, Bruce Rauner has decided to veto a commonsense bill that will keep children and families safe from gun violence,” said JB Pritzker. “High schoolers are leading a nationwide movement and parents in our state are demanding change, but Bruce Rauner has provided nothing but empty rhetoric and absent leadership. This is a governor who is telling children across the state that he cares more about winning his primary than doing his job to protect them. Illinoisans deserve a governor who will treat gun violence like a public health epidemic and take charge to stop these countless tragedies, and that’s the governor I’ll be.”

*** UPDATE 3 *** Sen. Daniel Biss…

“After weeks of waffling on this critical issue, carefully weighing political consequences in the absence of any moral conviction, Bruce Rauner has announced he’ll veto a bill I cosponsored to stem the flow of illegal guns in our communities. After decades of school shootings across the country and decades more of gun violence ravaging the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois, people are coming together to demand change. Except Bruce Rauner, apparently. Instead of standing up to do what’s right, he’s putting his fealty to the NRA first, once again proving himself a coward incapable of governing.”

* Chris Kennedy…

Governor Rauner has again put his own political survival above the safety and security of our schools, our communities and our families. This disgusting veto represents everything that is wrong with Springfield where political preservation comes before the citizens our elected leaders are supposed to serve. Governor Rauner made this decision to win a primary but the consequences of it will cost him in November. Students across Illinois will walk out of class tomorrow to protest this decision and urge our elected leaders to take action to prevent the next shooting. I stand with those students. Springfield has abandoned its leadership role in our state and it’s the students who are showing us the way forward.

*** UPDATE 4 *** Senate President Cullerton…

“I urge Governor Rauner to reconsider his actions. It’s not too late. He’s regretted hasty vetoes in the past. Don’t add to that unfortunate collection. He knows this is a good law, one needed to increase safety in Illinois. I would urge Governor Rauner to think this through and do what’s responsible as opposed to what’s political. At the very least, take the time to do another poll before such drastic action.”

* DGA…

“Bruce Rauner failed as a leader, today,” said DGA Illinois Communications Director Sam Salustro. “Families from all over the state have had enough with gun violence and called on Rauner to take a leadership role in protecting them. Instead, they got a stream of empty rhetoric and platitudes, and the confirmation that Rauner will never stand up to the NRA.”

- Posted by Rich Miller        

67 Comments
  1. - Perrid - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:33 am:

    For the love of God, why? We license hair dressers. The should can and should do more to limit who can sell lethal weapons in the state, regardless of what the feds do. This is not hard.


  2. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:33 am:

    Rauner still believes if he says one thing in one media market and another in another media market, the two won’t reconcile.

    A very small few hold Rauner accountable, so why not keep up the phoniness.

    Downstate hears what Rauner wanted, “She-Caw-Go” got the stiff arm, because the veto up ‘dare would be bad(?)

    Exactly right.


  3. - Arsenal - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:34 am:

    So long, “moderate” message. It was fun while it lasted, but Bruce’s base is on fire.


  4. - doofusguy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:40 am:

    waiting on the actual veto signing -


  5. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:40 am:

    Does the “comprehensive solution” include the executive branch enforcing current law that those whose FOID cards have been revoked after due process of law for mental health and public safety reasons do not illegally possess guns?

    Because that law is not now being enforced by the executive branch. They’ve admitted to not even trying.


  6. - Amalia - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:43 am:

    good luck in the fall, Bruce.


  7. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:44 am:

    Who is Rauner’s constituency?

    Now it’s those who support HB40… AND… agree with the veto?

    Being so coy yesterday reinforces this plan that Diana and Bruce want, the branding aimed towards suburban moderate women includes leading them on that the licensing of gun dealers needs a veto, but “remember HB40”

    Who is Rauner’s constituency?


  8. - Happy Retiree - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:51 am:

    Wait…, we’re regulating honeybees, hair stylists braiders & barbers, taxidermists, hearing aid providers, campgrounds, geologists, and interior designers, but not guns dealers? And now that we’re trying to; Rauner vetos? What the….


  9. - Iron - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:53 am:

    Bingo O Willy, playing both ends against the middle. Yet this could be seen as more pro business than pro 2A.


  10. - Flapdoodle - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:54 am:

    OW @ 9:44 reminds of Homer Stokes: Is you or is you ain’t my constituency? BR doesn’t seem able to answer that question consistently day-to-day. Or maybe it’s just whatever media market he happens to be speaking to at any given moment.


  11. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 9:58 am:

    Rauner has apparently decided he wants to be done with this whole “governor” thing next year.


  12. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:00 am:

    ===playing both ends against the middle.===

    How Rauner finds a majority and gets suburban women by signing HB40 and vetoes gun licensing… but pleases downstate and/or 2A voters who are pro-life… hmm.

    ===Yet this could be seen as more pro business than pro 2A.===

    Normally, I could agree. The latest 2A issues seemed to be framed around things like kids and schools not business red tape.

    It’s a confusing campaign, - Iron -…


  13. - Tequila Mockingbird - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:00 am:

    Who thinks that gun dealers aren’t already FEDERALLY licensed regulated and monitored?
    Really? The gun dealers aren’t the problem. If you want to after “gun violence” (a term I detest-guns are not inherently violent) then get serious about identifying and dealing with dangerous people. Remains to be seen what the guv will do but I suspect he’s trying to avoid giving opposition a sound bite to use against him.


  14. - RD - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:01 am:

    Rauner is willing to become Trump if it gets him reelected. We need to get rid of him. He’s spineless and doesn’t care who he hurts.


  15. - Tequila Mockingbird - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:04 am:

    I posted during the update with Emanuel’s release. Let’s talk about failure, Rahm. None bigger than your failure to curb your Chicago violence. Fix that first, then I’ll listen to your opinion.


  16. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:06 am:

    ===This veto is a slap in the face to crime victims, faith leaders and police who have pleaded with Governor Rauner to protect public safety by signing the Gun Dealer Licensing Act.===

    Probably the right message for the upcoming veto, not the best messenger to deliver that message.

    ===This failure will be his legacy.===

    Other failures of Rauner, to the upcoming veto, “Get in line”.


  17. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:13 am:

    Tequila Mockingbird If you are going to go with trite gun nut cliches, don’t you need also to note that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” too?


  18. - m - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:15 am:

    =Other failures of Rauner, to the upcoming veto, “Get in line”.=

    Agree

    =For the love of God, why? We license hair dressers. The should can and should do more to limit who can sell lethal weapons in the state, regardless of what the feds do. This is not hard.=

    I understand that right now, anything that can be labeled as gun control is suddenly good. But unlike hairstylists, gun dealers are regulated pretty strictly by the feds. We keep hearing stats where a couple stores are selling a large number of the guns recovered from Chicago crimes. So I’m not sure why we aren’t already going after those stores or monitoring their customers or something. But yet, somehow creating another level of bureaucracy will fix the problem? Especially when it is exempting the big box stores, including Cabelas, which I believe has been a major source of guns recovered in Chicago. Can anyone actually make a good argument about how this bill would fix or help the problem?

    Because to me, this is little more than feel good legislation.


  19. - Rod - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:20 am:

    As an ISRA member I am exceedingly pleased that the Governor will veto this bill. We collectively made great efforts in our lobbying to have the bill vetoed.


  20. - Pardon Me - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:25 am:

    I for one do not believe the state should insert itself into gun dealer licensing. ATF does that in minutia detail and the state can add nothing whatsoever to that process. Nothing. its a fiscal loser too, the state would never recoop the fees adequate enough to cover the administrative costs of hiring regulatory people and administering that program, and its a very litigious area. A state in our fiscal condition has no business wading into that area, especially since its so well covered by ATF. Nothing to be gained at all. That bill simply looks like political cover for politicians hearing all about citizen anxiety about their kids. There are no unlicensed gun dealers. ATF is all over them believe me and doing a great job at it.


  21. - Not It - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:25 am:

    I would argue that using a gun violence bill as a way to distract from a sexual harassment scandal is far more disrectful to those crime victims, faith leaders, and police (as well as victims of sexual harassment too).


  22. - Montrose - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:27 am:

    “guns are not inherently violent”

    I don’t know where to begin with this statement.


  23. - anon - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:35 am:

    I support the govs decision to veto


  24. - Rural Stuff - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:36 am:

    I agree with m on most points. I deal with state regulators on several issues and the additional state oversight is not needed, especially since they haven’t figured out how to properly fund the additional oversight.

    The other issue is that they haven’t kept the regulations for an area like cosmetology for example up to date. The licensing test is outdated and they have few inspectors to cover oversight. I don’t think they would be more effective with the new regs.


  25. - Rutro - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:48 am:

    Bruce, congrats in addition to your failures at DCFS, our Vetrans, your now adding another item of blood on your hands. For what? Congrats, your money won’t buy you much in hell.


  26. - Dance Band on the Titanic - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:51 am:

    - Not It - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:25 am:
    I would argue that using a gun violence bill as a way to distract from a sexual harassment scandal is far more disrectful to those crime victims, faith leaders, and police (as well as victims of sexual harassment too).

    So that Cruz kid killing 17 students in Parkland and the subsequent demands for action from students and parents is all some Madigan plot to distract from other issues? Seriously???


  27. - Anon221 - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:00 am:

    Go ahead and veto, Guv Waffles. And, I would encourage the GA to hold an override vote even if the numbers may not seem to be there based on the original votes. Get names on record as to who actually supports this legislation.


  28. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:19 am:

    ==Because that law is not now being enforced by the executive branch. ==

    Which laws, specifically, are you referring? There is a provision in statute that says “local” law enforcement should confiscated weapons after a FOID card has been revoked, but if your issue is with non enforcement of that, the executive branch has no say over what Tom Dart refuses to do.


  29. - Payback - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:20 am:

    State gun dealer licensing looks good on the surface to most of the non gun owning population. On the ground I know two small town family owned gun shops that have been run out of business in the past year by ATF inspections.

    The way state gun dealer licensing would play out in the real world is that the state police could “inspect” FFLs every week if they wanted to, copy their federal form 4473 gun purchases, then share the info. with every local cop and deputy within 100 miles. That way the good old boys will have a list of every gun you own and every gun you ever bought, so they know where to go when “assault weapons” are eventually outlawed to kick your door down.

    State gun dealer licensing is a key foundation stone towards the criminal police state. That’s why police unions are pushing it, it’s a free license for cops to be nosey. It’s also a state police employment act to create a huge enforcement bureaucracy, while at the same time Reps. like Burke writing exemptions for police from the body armor ban in the “Bauer bill.”


  30. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:23 am:

    ==For the love of God, why? We license hair dressers. ==

    Hair dressers aren’t already required to undergo intensive background checks and licensing requirements to the Feds.


  31. - Tequila Mockingbird - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:38 am:

    - Montrose - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:27 am:

    “guns are not inherently violent”

    I don’t know where to begin with this statement.

    How about you tell me that baseball bats, vehicles, beer bottles, and fists are all somehow violent in and of themselves?
    Some people kill other people with guns. They also use a lot of other methods and some more often than guns. But we are somehow supposed to view inanimate guns as more dangerous, more “scary”. and by association, law abiding gun dealers as the problem?


  32. - Blue dog dem - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:44 am:

    Bruce. Step up and be a man. Show some courage. Join Dem state rep Jerry Costello and call for the elimination of the useless,redundant,ineffective FOID card. Then you can join in on the duplicative process of licensing gun dealers.


  33. - Jack Kemp - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:47 am:

    Wordslinger - we have to read you yammer on this talking point literally every time there’s a gun post on this blog. Since you haven’t volunteered yet, I went ahead and signed you up. Have at it, Hoss. Go get em.


  34. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:54 am:

    and this is the guy the people elected, what has he done in office?? don’t worry brucey you will be out come november


  35. - HangingOn - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 11:58 am:

    ==How about you tell me that baseball bats, vehicles, beer bottles, and fists==

    Which one of those items was created with the only intention to kill? What other purpose was a gun invented for? Yes, I know guns can be used for shooting cans and targets, etc. But a baseball bat, while it can be used as a weapon, was invented to beat a little white ball. A gun, not so much. It was invented as a weapon.


  36. - Pot calling kettle - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 12:01 pm:

    ==As an ISRA member I am exceedingly pleased that the Governor will veto this bill. We collectively made great efforts in our lobbying to have the bill vetoed. ==

    LOL. Don’t be surprised if the GA passes an identical bill in April and Rauner signs it in May. You are being played.


  37. - Former Hillrod - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 12:04 pm:

    I have a question. I have seen the term “gun nut” on this blog as well as in the national media. However, I am not sure what a “gun nut “ is. Is it someone who enjoys the shooting sports or hunting? Is it someone who owns more than 2 or 3 firearms? Is it someone who belongs to the NRA? Does the gun nut go with the gun bolt? Is it some sort of snack food? What is a gun nut?


  38. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 12:11 pm:

    – Since you haven’t volunteered yet,–

    Volunteered for what?


  39. - @misterjayem - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 12:12 pm:

    Q: “What is a gun nut?”

    A: “The way state gun dealer licensing would play out in the real world is that the state police could ‘inspect’ FFLs every week if they wanted to, copy their federal form 4473 gun purchases, then share the info. with every local cop and deputy within 100 miles. That way the good old boys will have a list of every gun you own and every gun you ever bought, so they know where to go when ‘assault weapons’ are eventually outlawed to kick your door down.”

    Happy to help.

    – MrJM


  40. - Blue dog dem - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 12:12 pm:

    FormerHillrod. Let me know what ya find out. I think I am showings signs of symptoms.


  41. - Blue dog dem - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 12:14 pm:

    Word. I think they mean, Friends of Bruce Rauner.


  42. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 12:55 pm:

    Its true… my hairdresser went to federal prison for giving some unlicensed haircuts.


  43. - Radio Flyer - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:03 pm:

    Mr.JM, you win. Best post today.


  44. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:05 pm:

    I highly encourage anyone in favor of this bill to go buy a gun from a dealer. Even if you just sell it back the next day. Seems like most critics havent gone through FBI and ISP checks, waiting periods, ATF forms, etc.


  45. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:10 pm:

    ==Volunteered for what?==

    Backing up your post with citations of actual laws that aren’t being enforced by the executive branch, instead of just spewing talking points based on nothing


  46. - SOIL M - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:15 pm:

    I will only believe Rauner intends to veto this bill if and when he actually does it. But I would like to see this bill called by what it will actually do. The “Lets run more business out of Illinois, lose tax dollars, and create more expensive bureaucracy while doing nothing at all to stop actual crime” Act


  47. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:24 pm:

    –Backing up your post with citations of actual laws that aren’t being enforced by the executive branch…–

    The law that says you can’t possess a gun without a valid FOID card.

    SECTION 8. GOVERNOR - SUPREME EXECUTIVE POWER
    The Governor shall have the supreme executive power, and shall be responsible for the faithful execution of the laws.–

    So, the governor is in charge.

    The ISP says they don’t do anything about those whose FOID cards have been revoked because they don’t have the manpower.

    Don’t you think they should? It seems to me that the one thing virtually everyone agrees on about guns is that they should not be in the hands of the mentally ill or criminals.

    That law is on the books in Illinois, and it is not being enforced by the executive branch.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-illinois-guns-foid-cards-revoked-met-20170206-story.html


  48. - Jack Kemp - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:30 pm:

    I’m not sure who was speaking for me; but I was actually wondering when you plan to volunteer to go and round up all of these illegal guns. I’m sure your local law enforcement will appreciate your assistance. If I had to guess, they probably aren’t too enthusiastic about doing it themselves.


  49. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:33 pm:

    -blue dog-, me too.


  50. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:41 pm:

    –but I was actually wondering when you plan to volunteer to go and round up all of these illegal guns.–

    I saw on TV that there are legally designated authorities charged with enforcing the law.

    You know, the real Jack Kemp was a pretty smart guy.


  51. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:43 pm:

    Word, the statute puts the onus to actual enforce that on the sheriff and local agencies. Go scream at Tom Dart, but of course that doesn’t fit your talking point.


  52. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:48 pm:

    –Word, the statute puts the onus to actual enforce that on the sheriff and local agencies.–

    Show me.


  53. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 1:57 pm:

    From a law web site: https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31065

    I take this to mean that while local law enforcement can enforce all laws within their boundaries, nothing precludes the state police from enforcing state laws should they find it necessary.


  54. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:14 pm:

    The relevant statute is 430 ILCS 65/9.5(c), which seems aimed at local enforcement


  55. - Former Hillrod - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:32 pm:

    I agree with Wordslinger regarding what happens to someone’s guns once the FOID card is revoked. A few years ago a relative had her FOID card revoked due to being diagnosed with a mental illness. There was no follow up by anyone regarding what to do with her guns.


  56. - downstate commissioner - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 2:35 pm:

    There are several guns being debated or passed on to the governor. I just found out today that one of the guns that will be banned is the first .22 rifle that I bought (my dad signed for it) when I was 14 years old, with the money I received as graduation and confirmation money. When I ran it passed my mom, (a city girl) she said that it was a good idea, I would have something to show for it, instead of just frittering it away.
    Simple fact: the most popular gun in America is the ARmalite style of rifle; some people have a couple of thousand dollars in one rifle. If you really believe that all of those gun owners, who firmly believe that the 2nd Amendment is a God-given right, are going to allow the government to confiscate all of those guns, you are simply crazy. Forget about voluntary turn-ins. This is the United States, not Australia.
    Reasonable gun restrictions may be passed, but any confiscatory gun laws will not be “protect the children” legislation, but will be like the Volstead Act and we all know how that turned out…


  57. - blue dog dem - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 3:36 pm:

    Can anyone prove to me that one, one potential FOID card revokee has ever committed a felony with a gun that should have been confiscated. I have asked ISP for this info. Nothing. wouldn’t you think this is s meaningful statistic?


  58. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 4:01 pm:

    –Can anyone prove to me that one, one potential FOID card revokee has ever committed a felony with a gun that should have been confiscated. –

    You can have your FOID card revoked for being convicted of a felony.

    Is it your contention that those who’ve been convicted of felonies and had their FOID card revoked do not go on to commit further crimes?

    What an amazing crime-fighting tool.


  59. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 4:14 pm:

    downstate- “If you really believe that all of those gun owners, who firmly believe that the 2nd Amendment is a God-given right, are going to allow the government to confiscate all of those guns, you are simply crazy. Forget about voluntary turn-ins.”

    You can relax after you read MrJM’s condescending commentary @ 12:12 p.m. About ten years ago, there was an assault weapon ban bill in the IL legislature that allowed 90 days for turn-in or felony charges, back in the bad old days under Blago.

    But acknowledging those facts makes you a gun nut. MrJM will be ready when he answers his door in his flannel robe, martini in hand, and a sarcastic comment for the cops. I lay odds of 100 to one he’s never been arrested, except for the DUI in college his father covered up.


  60. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 5:10 pm:

    Anonymous Mr.jayem quoted payback. Not downstate commisioner. Mr. jayem drinks martinis? I’d like to buy him one.


  61. - NorthsideNoMore - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 5:30 pm:

    Pherhaps thats a bit of the Pot and Kettle from Chi town mayor ? Some but not all have forgotten about the McDonald (and other cases ) Oh and those pesky videos that were mistakenly kept from public view before an election.


  62. - Graduated College Student - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 6:09 pm:

    ===Simple fact: the most popular gun in America is the ARmalite style of rifle; some people have a couple of thousand dollars in one rifle. If you really believe that all of those gun owners, who firmly believe that the 2nd Amendment is a God-given right, are going to allow the government to confiscate all of those guns, you are simply crazy. Forget about voluntary turn-ins. This is the United States, not Australia.===

    Fine, it won’t be confiscated. That said, such weapons should be registered and the owners should be held criminally liable should any crime be committed with those weapons. Also no one in the future can acquire these weapons, either by sale or transfer, so once the owner passes it’s gone.


  63. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 6:29 pm:

    GraduatedCollegeStudent. You have just reinforced the “slippery slope” arena.


  64. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 8:24 pm:

    –all of those gun owners, who firmly believe that the 2nd Amendment is a God-given right,–

    Huh. Shouldn’t it have been in Genesis then?

    Curiously, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, every amendment is a voted-on addition to the original Constitution and there is a mechanism in place to modify or do away with each and every one of them.

    Strive to articulate yourself in a big-kid of the post-Enligthenment (as the founders were), without pretending to speak for God as a crutch.


  65. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 8:46 pm:

    == such weapons should be registered … no one in the future can acquire these weapons, either by sale or transfer, so once the owner passes it’s gone. ==

    Good luck with that one. Illinois ended up with the FOID because the voters didn’t want each gun registered. Yes, it is a different set of voters today … but I’m guessing not that different … and it is an issue that crosses party lines, especially downstate.

    I have a full gun safe; in my entire life, I’ve only purchased two. All the rest were, literally, given to me by relatives that knew they were dying … family heirlooms going back many generations. You think they were worried about filling out paperwork on their deathbed?

    If you require Illinois citizens to start registering their firearms, you’ll have to do a door to door search to collect the numbers. That won’t happen; they can’t even pick up the ones where a FOID is revoked and they have the legal authority to actually do a search and seizure.


  66. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 13, 18 @ 10:21 pm:

    “This veto is a slap in the face to crime victims, faith leaders and police…”

    Above statement by Rahm Emanuel, mayor of the Illinois city where detective Jon Burge and his henchmen systematically tortured and framed innocent men for murder, and sent so many of them to death row that Republican governor George Ryan basically abolished the death penalty, because the entire justice system had been corrupted by police criminals.

    But all citizens should do whatever they can to give up their firearms to police and make it easier for cops to “do their jobs” because the police are your friends, and you should trust them. They will never go door to door and seize your banned firearms by force, police are “the good guys.”


  67. - Graduated College Student - Wednesday, Mar 14, 18 @ 7:05 am:

    ===But all citizens should do whatever they can to give up their firearms to police and make it easier for cops to “do their jobs” because the police are your friends, and you should trust them. They will never go door to door and seize your banned firearms by force, police are “the good guys.” ===

    So if they came to your door, what would you do?


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