We want to build things in America, we want people hiring in America, and we want everyone buying American. Build, buy American. And we want to build and buy Illinois products. Illinois, good made, homegrown products That’s what Chelar is, that’s what you guys do, and that’s what I’m fighting for every day. I’m very proud of what’s been going on in the Federal government, Congress, and the White House. They’re making sure that we get a strong economy, that we’re bringing manufacturing back to America, we’re getting fair trade deals, we’re getting the tax burden down, the regulatory burden down on businesses - that’s one of the reasons we got a strong economy going around the nation. I want to do the same thing in Illinois.
So on and so forth. If you are watching the video, the line in question begins at about the six-minute mark.
In one portion of the ad, Trump is shown after a protest led by white supremacists turned deadly last summer in Charlottesville, Va., when he said that there were “very fine people on both sides.” That is followed by a clip of Duke saying, “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump.”
At the time, Rauner did initially stumble by telling reporters that he could not say that the death of protester Heather Heyer, who was struck by a car driven by a white supremacist supporter, was an act of “domestic terrorism.”
But Rauner’s office later issued a statement saying the governor “absolutely” believed the death to be domestic terrorism. And he went further at the Illinois State Fair, issuing a rare rebuke of Trump.
*** 10:48 a.m. *** From Will Allison at the Rauner campaign…
“Unlike Pritzker, who is Mike Madigan’s lapdog, Governor Rauner will always stand up for what he believes is best for Illinois. The governor supports the president and Republicans in Congress on the need to fix our broken health care system and for lower taxes, but he won’t hesitate to speak out when he thinks the president is wrong.”
*** 2:22 p.m. *** Pritzker is now hitting the Rauner campaign for it’s statement earlier today…
The Trump administration’s current effort to “fix” the healthcare system entails stripping protections for pre-existing conditions, a move that would force tens of thousands of Illinoisans to pay astronomically higher insurance premiums or go without care altogether. Since Rauner has not only hesitated to speak out on this, but has been entirely silent, it’s only reasonable to conclude that Rauner fully supports Trump’s attacks on people with pre-existing conditions.
“Donald Trump is trying to take away protections for people with pre-existing conditions, and the Rauner campaign is now offering the president their full support,” said Pritzker campaign communications director Galia Slayen. “This failed governor is cheering Trump on from the sidelines as he puts tens of thousands of Illinoisans at risk and continues his onslaught of attacks on the working families of this state.”
Meanwhile…
Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner said his campaign has “a whole bunch” of ads coming like one that featured governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan for “raising Illinois taxes” and “helping create new jobs” in their states.
===…featured governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan…===
Gov. Greitens says hello.
Rauner is an unlikable incumbent. Rauner also praises Trump, just days ago. I dunno if thinking other governors thanking Mike Madigan makes Rauner more likable.
It’s like someone with four flat tires worried about changing the oil on the engine. The Rauner Crew must make Rauner more likable and walk the fine line of Trump.
They ain’t doin’ it.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:07 am:
That’s the way. Tie Rauner to a very unpopular Trump (in Illinois). Not only does Rauner not stand up to Trump, he supports him.
- Last Bull Moose - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:09 am:
This ad helps Democrats at both federal and state levels. Energizing the anti Trump vote is good politics.
==governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan for “raising Illinois taxes” and “helping create new jobs” in their states.==
The problem with that line of thinking is that all of our neighboring states (except Indiana), have higher maximum state income tax rates than Illinois’ new 4.95% rate.
Even in Indiana, after one takes in their county tax (around 2%) that is payable on one’s state income tax form, they are right up there with Illinois or above.
This is red meat for the base. I’m not sure they need red meat. Probably mildly irritates the right wing, but hard to imagine it’s impacting the U’s in the middle who are the key here.
The middle doesn’t really care for either of the D (CNN, MSNBC) or R (FOX) networks. There are some in that middle who probably do think the Feds are doing a good job right now. Sure there’s some who don’t. Better staying with the local Illinois local network coverage on these types of ads. (Wherever Channel 8 is?)
It’s a base ad. Maybe they need it. I wouldn’t think so. But it’s expensive to re-purchase the folks already in your basket.
===This is red meat for the base. I’m not sure they need red meat. Probably mildly irritates the right wing, but hard to imagine it’s impacting the U’s in the middle who are the key here.===
Trump is 22 points under water in Illinois.
This isn’t a base thing, it’s reminding those disapproving of Trump that Rauner is with Trump.
Right now, with Trump 22 points under water in the state, this isn’t a nod to a base, it’s a bullhorn to Illinois, a state and her voters already not enamored with Trump.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:43 am:
“raising Illinois taxes”
All neighboring states except Indiana have higher state income tax rates.
Only in Illinois, California, New York would Trump be 22 points under water. That says a heck of lot about the people than it does about Trump and his performance. It is why middle age and older people are leaving Illinois and will continue to leave.
Anonymous, so people are leaving because they love Trump? Is that what you are saying? Spit it out plainly.
For what’s worth I’m considering leaving the state. It’s not Trump and it’s not taxes. It’s the damn weather! Always too cold or too hot or too rainy. Sick of shoveling snow and it will give me a heart attack one day, shoveling snow in single degree weather. My doctor warned me. I hate the politics of the South but “no snow” is gaining on all else.
To the update, so Rauner supports eliminating the SALT deduction? Good to know. I guess that’s why he didn’t lobby Peter Roskam to save it on behalf of Illinois tax payers, who are going to pay more in federal taxes because of this stupid law.
And Will Allison doesn’t know the name of the President either I see. Hint, it begins with a T and ends in rump.
Trump’s performance has befuddled most in our state, that is a “you” problem. Success and performance is tough to recognize for many, apparently.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:54 am:
Madigan is a state rep. He has nothing directly to do with local tax rates, so blaming him for the overall tax burden is a red herring.
Rauner refused to accept the Senate’s two year property tax freeze proposal last year. That’s on him. He could have taken small victories but didn’t. He wreaked massive damage upon the state, for nothing.
===. That says a heck of lot about the people than it does about Trump and his performance.===
No. Voters are saying “Hey. Trump’s performance? We don’t approve.” That’s how that works. You not liking that result is a You problem, or what you want, that Trump is a victim of polling… in a state Trump lost by 17 points.
===Trump’s performance has befuddled most in our state, that is a “you” problem.===
Again, no. No one is beffuddled. Trump is under water by 22 points.
===Success and performance is tough to recognize for many, apparently.===
No. Polling is around the way the performance is taken by voters, specifically in Illinois, and those polled don’t approve. They recognize they don’t like it. You recognize you don’t like that result, so blame those polled.
“Trump’s performance has befuddled most in our state” More accurately, Trumpkins refuse to see that his performance has been an utter dumpster fire, much like Rauner’s. The rest of us aren’t blinded by his babbling nonsense. And please choose a nickname.
Willy, here’s what I’m seeing…based on the polling data you regularly bring up. (And we both know Rauner is not 22 points underwater with JB)
Pritzker is clubbing Rauner with the “Trump stick”
Rauner is clubbing JB with the “Madigan stick”
One of those sticks is more lethal in Illinois right now.
We’ll see how this plays. Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.
No one is warming up to Madigan. Quite the opposite.
I’d be playing for the middle. This ad isn’t doing that. The production is a bit better, but they’re still madly in love with trying to say way too much in way too short a period of time. And this one isn’t short by ad standards.
===Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.===
(Sigh)
Trump lost by 17 points, Trump is under water now by 22 points…
“You’re going the wrong way”
“How do they know where we’re going?”
===No one is warming up to Madigan. Quite the opposite.===
Rauner is unlikable, and as an incumbent, under water, and unlikable, and of the same party as the sitting president during his/her midterm… indeed, we’re you asleep in 2006, 2010, and and 2014?
This entire election toward the top of the ballot is about who’s the most unlikable. The die is cast. So far as I can see, no one is likable around the executive suite Federally or in this state.
==Neither was the “Who Knew?” ad that you loved.==
Let me help you here. “Who knew” was an effective, well produced, well targeted ad. I wouldn’t describe my feeling as “loving” it.
What I could love, is an Ad series based on “Who Knew?”. That’s a powerful concept with a lot of tentacles if you want to define someone a lot of folks don’t know, but what they’ve heard isn’t too hot.
===Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.===
And…
===This entire election toward the top of the ballot is about who’s the most unlikable. The die is cast. So far as I can see, no one is likable around the executive suite Federally or in this state.===
Trump is *going* to be more likable, as he’s polling worse than his margin of loss…
No help needed. It was an ad for your side, so you praised it. This is an ad for the other side, so you criticize it, even the attributes that it shares with the ad you just praised.
=I’d be playing for the middle. This ad isn’t doing that.=
I agree. And I’m squarely in the middle. I supported Rauner last time around because I saw him as a better alternative to Quinn. After 4 years and “I’m not in charge” there’s no compelling reason to vote for him again Madigan or otherwise.
As has been pointed out he has no constituency. Republican support is clearly soft as the primary revealed, Dems clearly won’t be crossing over, and there’s no compelling reason for independents to vote for Rauner no matter how much he says “Madigan”. Because even if elected he’s made it clear that the next 4 years won’t be any different than the last.
=Yes, but I do expect the vast majority of Republicans to come home to Rauner in the long run.=
I say this is more or less a given. But it’s not nearly enough to get him over the top without independents and a few angry Dems crossing over. The problem is that the anger felt towards Quinn that Rauner relied on 4 years ago is now being directed towards him.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 2:59 pm:
“Yes, but I do expect the vast majority of Republicans to come home to Rauner in the long run.”
I’d think that as part of the campaign, Pritzker and/or allies should remind voters that Rauner lied about abortion and betrayed people, as well as caving to Madigan on the tax hike and budgets.
Rauner’s trying to dampen enthusiasm for Pritzker, to distract from a lousy job. Pritzker and Stratton seem to be at some unity-building event every day. Build unity while waging a “counter” campaign, to remind conservatives and others of Rauner’s lying and capitulation.
==I say this is more or less a given. But it’s not nearly enough to get him over the top without independents and a few angry Dems crossing over. The problem is that the anger felt towards Quinn that Rauner relied on 4 years ago is now being directed towards him.==
This feels right…right now. But it’s June.
==I’d think that as part of the campaign, Pritzker and/or allies should remind voters that Rauner lied about abortion and betrayed people==
That’s tricky ’cause JB’s base voters *like* HB40. JB *likes* HB40. Focusing on the lie is an OK way to square the circle, but voters don’t do nuance.
Perfect world for JB is McCann makes the ballot and hammers Rauner on HB40.
“The governor supports the president and Republicans in Congress *** but he won’t hesitate to speak out when he thinks the president is wrong.”
Since Rauner wouldn’t hesitate to speak out if he thought Trump was wrong, logic dictates that we recognize that Rauner’s silence is a sign of his approval of Trump’s policies.
Currently on Fox News- the Democratic Senate President of NJ just said NJ has structural deficits that no amount of money can fix. He also said raising taxes doesn’t work- what NJ needs is spending reform. It’s sad no Democrat in Illinois where are problems are similar to NJ doesn’t have Steve Sweeny’s Outlook. Ill Nous cannot tax it’s way to solvency and calling tax increases investments in the future is just BS. The NJ senate president also said if they raise taxes all that happens is rich people who can leave will do so. Where is our Steve Sweeney?
- Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 5:46 pm:
I am shocked, shocked I say, to learn that Sue watches Fox News.
===Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner said his campaign has “a whole bunch” of ads coming like one that featured governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan…===
They’re coming back, and Greitens is still a haunting reminder.
==When asylum seekers show up at a U.S. border crossing, and seek to go through the entry process legally, is it wrong to rip their children from them?==
I wonder what Diana Rauner thinks about this. Isn’t her life’s work about protecting young children from damaging trauma? Heck it’s even in the name of her organization. A public plea from a Republican first lady would be more influential than a dozen from Durbin. Where is it?
- wordslinger - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 9:58 am:
. I’m very proud of what’s been going on in the Federal government, Congress, and the White House. –
Go on.
Spit it out.
Trump, Trump, Trump……
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:00 am:
===…featured governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan…===
Gov. Greitens says hello.
Rauner is an unlikable incumbent. Rauner also praises Trump, just days ago. I dunno if thinking other governors thanking Mike Madigan makes Rauner more likable.
It’s like someone with four flat tires worried about changing the oil on the engine. The Rauner Crew must make Rauner more likable and walk the fine line of Trump.
They ain’t doin’ it.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:07 am:
That’s the way. Tie Rauner to a very unpopular Trump (in Illinois). Not only does Rauner not stand up to Trump, he supports him.
- Last Bull Moose - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:09 am:
This ad helps Democrats at both federal and state levels. Energizing the anti Trump vote is good politics.
- Rabid - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:12 am:
“a whole bunch” thats bananas, will he have to go out of state to find someone who likes him again
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:15 am:
===will he have to go out of state to find someone who likes him again===
*That’s* the message it sends. “I’m unlikable here, but let’s have out of staters blame Madigan too”
Who is the Rauner constituency?
Rauner is unlikable, so let’s get those who may still not like him out of state to blame Madigan?
“Check the oil, forget the flat tires”
- Moe Berg - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:16 am:
This will hurt him just like the “I’m not in charge” declaration. Total killer with suburban women.
- 47th Ward - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:23 am:
===Gov. Bruce Rauner said his campaign has “a whole bunch” of ads coming like one that featured governors of neighboring states===
Eric Greitens has some extra time on his hands. He might even bring his own camera.
- Joe M - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:25 am:
==governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan for “raising Illinois taxes” and “helping create new jobs” in their states.==
The problem with that line of thinking is that all of our neighboring states (except Indiana), have higher maximum state income tax rates than Illinois’ new 4.95% rate.
Iowa: 8.98
Wisconsin: 7.95
Kentucky: 6
Missouri: 6
Even in Indiana, after one takes in their county tax (around 2%) that is payable on one’s state income tax form, they are right up there with Illinois or above.
- wordslinger - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:28 am:
–Eric Greitens has some extra time on his hands. He might even bring his own camera.–
And duct tape.
- A guy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:29 am:
This is red meat for the base. I’m not sure they need red meat. Probably mildly irritates the right wing, but hard to imagine it’s impacting the U’s in the middle who are the key here.
The middle doesn’t really care for either of the D (CNN, MSNBC) or R (FOX) networks. There are some in that middle who probably do think the Feds are doing a good job right now. Sure there’s some who don’t. Better staying with the local Illinois local network coverage on these types of ads. (Wherever Channel 8 is?)
It’s a base ad. Maybe they need it. I wouldn’t think so. But it’s expensive to re-purchase the folks already in your basket.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:33 am:
===This is red meat for the base. I’m not sure they need red meat. Probably mildly irritates the right wing, but hard to imagine it’s impacting the U’s in the middle who are the key here.===
Trump is 22 points under water in Illinois.
This isn’t a base thing, it’s reminding those disapproving of Trump that Rauner is with Trump.
Right now, with Trump 22 points under water in the state, this isn’t a nod to a base, it’s a bullhorn to Illinois, a state and her voters already not enamored with Trump.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:43 am:
“raising Illinois taxes”
All neighboring states except Indiana have higher state income tax rates.
- JS Mill - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:44 am:
=Gov. Greitens says hello.=
Well played.
States with higher tax rates.
Rauner can’t find a friend in Illinois.
Priceless.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:55 am:
Only in Illinois, California, New York would Trump be 22 points under water. That says a heck of lot about the people than it does about Trump and his performance. It is why middle age and older people are leaving Illinois and will continue to leave.
- Nick Name - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:56 am:
===…good made…===
Can’t the BTIA do gooder than that?
- Anonymous - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:08 am:
Hey Joe M and Grandson, tell us how the real estate and sales tax rates in the surrounding states stack up to IL. I’ll grab some popcorn and wait.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:09 am:
===The governor supports the president…====
Yeah, I’ll stop you there.
The rest is really bad spin. Rauner supports Donald Trump.
Good to know.
===…would Trump be 22 points under water. That says a heck of lot about the people than it does about Trump and his performance.===
“Because voters”
“Because, Trump is a victim”
Yikes, lol
- Streamwood Retiree - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:13 am:
Anonymous, so people are leaving because they love Trump? Is that what you are saying? Spit it out plainly.
For what’s worth I’m considering leaving the state. It’s not Trump and it’s not taxes. It’s the damn weather! Always too cold or too hot or too rainy. Sick of shoveling snow and it will give me a heart attack one day, shoveling snow in single degree weather. My doctor warned me. I hate the politics of the South but “no snow” is gaining on all else.
- 47th Ward - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:13 am:
To the update, so Rauner supports eliminating the SALT deduction? Good to know. I guess that’s why he didn’t lobby Peter Roskam to save it on behalf of Illinois tax payers, who are going to pay more in federal taxes because of this stupid law.
And Will Allison doesn’t know the name of the President either I see. Hint, it begins with a T and ends in rump.
- Moe Berg - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:18 am:
Obvious follow up for reporters: Please provide examples of where Rauner has spoken out “when he thinks the president is wrong.”
- Huh? - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:36 am:
1.4% has binders full of governors of neighboring states.
- Silicon Prairie - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:43 am:
But Pritzker is Madigan’s lap dog
- Arsenal - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:48 am:
==This is red meat for the base.==
LOL, 59% of the state disapproves of Trump. If that’s your base, you’re gonna have a good time.
- JS Mill - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:52 am:
+Lapdog+
I see the Rauner team is really getting into the swing of the Trump name calling act. Very classy.
What does that make Munger and Dunkin then?
Maybe Mr. Allison can tell me all about Rauner’s accomplishments instead of name calling.
I have a second to listen.
Or tell us about the jobs Rauner created aside from Dunkin and Munger?
- Anonymous - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:53 am:
Trump’s performance has befuddled most in our state, that is a “you” problem. Success and performance is tough to recognize for many, apparently.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:54 am:
Madigan is a state rep. He has nothing directly to do with local tax rates, so blaming him for the overall tax burden is a red herring.
Rauner refused to accept the Senate’s two year property tax freeze proposal last year. That’s on him. He could have taken small victories but didn’t. He wreaked massive damage upon the state, for nothing.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 11:59 am:
===. That says a heck of lot about the people than it does about Trump and his performance.===
No. Voters are saying “Hey. Trump’s performance? We don’t approve.” That’s how that works. You not liking that result is a You problem, or what you want, that Trump is a victim of polling… in a state Trump lost by 17 points.
===Trump’s performance has befuddled most in our state, that is a “you” problem.===
Again, no. No one is beffuddled. Trump is under water by 22 points.
===Success and performance is tough to recognize for many, apparently.===
No. Polling is around the way the performance is taken by voters, specifically in Illinois, and those polled don’t approve. They recognize they don’t like it. You recognize you don’t like that result, so blame those polled.
Again, yikes.
- Arsenal - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 12:20 pm:
==That says a heck of lot about the people than it does about Trump and his performance.==
Maybe, but that’s the IL electorate.
- Skeptic - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 12:25 pm:
“Trump’s performance has befuddled most in our state” More accurately, Trumpkins refuse to see that his performance has been an utter dumpster fire, much like Rauner’s. The rest of us aren’t blinded by his babbling nonsense. And please choose a nickname.
- A guy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 12:51 pm:
Willy, here’s what I’m seeing…based on the polling data you regularly bring up. (And we both know Rauner is not 22 points underwater with JB)
Pritzker is clubbing Rauner with the “Trump stick”
Rauner is clubbing JB with the “Madigan stick”
One of those sticks is more lethal in Illinois right now.
We’ll see how this plays. Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.
No one is warming up to Madigan. Quite the opposite.
I’d be playing for the middle. This ad isn’t doing that. The production is a bit better, but they’re still madly in love with trying to say way too much in way too short a period of time. And this one isn’t short by ad standards.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 12:55 pm:
===Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.===
(Sigh)
Trump lost by 17 points, Trump is under water now by 22 points…
“You’re going the wrong way”
“How do they know where we’re going?”
===No one is warming up to Madigan. Quite the opposite.===
Rauner is unlikable, and as an incumbent, under water, and unlikable, and of the same party as the sitting president during his/her midterm… indeed, we’re you asleep in 2006, 2010, and and 2014?
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 12:57 pm:
===One of those sticks is more lethal in Illinois right now.===
As an incumbent, it would behoove Rauner to show in polling he was leading and building on his likability and approval rating.
Wonder why the Rauner Crew hasn’t done that?
- A guy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:02 pm:
==Wonder why the Rauner Crew hasn’t done that?==
Really? I don’t think you’re wondering at all.
They are signaling what their path is going to be. They’re executing on that basis. What is there left to wonder about?
- Arsenal - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:04 pm:
==Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.==
That sure isn’t “based on the polling data”.
==I’d be playing for the middle.==
I’d be playing for a majority. You know, like 59%.
==And this one isn’t short by ad standards.==
Neither was the “Who Knew?” ad that you loved.
- A guy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:04 pm:
This entire election toward the top of the ballot is about who’s the most unlikable. The die is cast. So far as I can see, no one is likable around the executive suite Federally or in this state.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:06 pm:
===They are signaling what their path is going to be. They’re executing on that basis.===
Bruce is unlikable, it can’t be reversed.
Rauner is a failed governor, that can’t be denied.
Rauner has no base, that can’t be in dispute.
So… not likable, a failure, no constituency… “Madigan”?
Hmm.
Why would anyone consider to vote for a campaign who’s candidate…
“They are signaling what their path is going to be. They’re executing on that basis.”
… has no reason to be re-elected?
- Arsenal - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:07 pm:
==So far as I can see, no one is likable around the executive suite Federally or in this state.==
Whatever dude, if you don’t like your nominee, that’s your problem.
- A guy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:07 pm:
==Neither was the “Who Knew?” ad that you loved.==
Let me help you here. “Who knew” was an effective, well produced, well targeted ad. I wouldn’t describe my feeling as “loving” it.
What I could love, is an Ad series based on “Who Knew?”. That’s a powerful concept with a lot of tentacles if you want to define someone a lot of folks don’t know, but what they’ve heard isn’t too hot.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:08 pm:
Hmm…
===Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.===
And…
===This entire election toward the top of the ballot is about who’s the most unlikable. The die is cast. So far as I can see, no one is likable around the executive suite Federally or in this state.===
Trump is *going* to be more likable, as he’s polling worse than his margin of loss…
or the die is cast…
Can it be both? LOL
- A guy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:09 pm:
==Whatever dude, if you don’t like your nominee, that’s your problem.==
No truer words were ever spoken…
- A guy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:10 pm:
==Can it be both? LOL==
When the X factor could be the polling? Yes it can. We live in strange times my friend.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:13 pm:
===X factor could be the polling===
“Because polling”?
Probably not. Presidential midterms sorta ruins that whole premise.
Oh, a die being cast, but some may change their minds… it can’t be both, it’s one or the other.
- Arsenal - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:16 pm:
==Let me help you here.==
No help needed. It was an ad for your side, so you praised it. This is an ad for the other side, so you criticize it, even the attributes that it shares with the ad you just praised.
It’s all really quite simple.
- Wallinger Dickus - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:17 pm:
In Illinois I’ll take the anti-Trump vote.
You can have the rest.
- low level - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:39 pm:
Ads with governors of other states. Brilliant indeed. Please run these a lot
- Pundent - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:53 pm:
=I’d be playing for the middle. This ad isn’t doing that.=
I agree. And I’m squarely in the middle. I supported Rauner last time around because I saw him as a better alternative to Quinn. After 4 years and “I’m not in charge” there’s no compelling reason to vote for him again Madigan or otherwise.
As has been pointed out he has no constituency. Republican support is clearly soft as the primary revealed, Dems clearly won’t be crossing over, and there’s no compelling reason for independents to vote for Rauner no matter how much he says “Madigan”. Because even if elected he’s made it clear that the next 4 years won’t be any different than the last.
- Ike - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 1:58 pm:
Low level - yes, featuring more scandal prone Republican governors, like Missouri’s previous one, Eric greitens
- Arsenal - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 2:00 pm:
==Republican support is clearly soft as the primary revealed==
Yes, but I do expect the vast majority of Republicans to come home to Rauner in the long run.
Give or take McCann.
- Pundent - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 2:31 pm:
=Yes, but I do expect the vast majority of Republicans to come home to Rauner in the long run.=
I say this is more or less a given. But it’s not nearly enough to get him over the top without independents and a few angry Dems crossing over. The problem is that the anger felt towards Quinn that Rauner relied on 4 years ago is now being directed towards him.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 2:59 pm:
“Yes, but I do expect the vast majority of Republicans to come home to Rauner in the long run.”
I’d think that as part of the campaign, Pritzker and/or allies should remind voters that Rauner lied about abortion and betrayed people, as well as caving to Madigan on the tax hike and budgets.
Rauner’s trying to dampen enthusiasm for Pritzker, to distract from a lousy job. Pritzker and Stratton seem to be at some unity-building event every day. Build unity while waging a “counter” campaign, to remind conservatives and others of Rauner’s lying and capitulation.
- Arsenal - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 3:09 pm:
==I say this is more or less a given. But it’s not nearly enough to get him over the top without independents and a few angry Dems crossing over. The problem is that the anger felt towards Quinn that Rauner relied on 4 years ago is now being directed towards him.==
This feels right…right now. But it’s June.
==I’d think that as part of the campaign, Pritzker and/or allies should remind voters that Rauner lied about abortion and betrayed people==
That’s tricky ’cause JB’s base voters *like* HB40. JB *likes* HB40. Focusing on the lie is an OK way to square the circle, but voters don’t do nuance.
Perfect world for JB is McCann makes the ballot and hammers Rauner on HB40.
- @misterjayem - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 3:11 pm:
“The governor supports the president and Republicans in Congress *** but he won’t hesitate to speak out when he thinks the president is wrong.”
Since Rauner wouldn’t hesitate to speak out if he thought Trump was wrong, logic dictates that we recognize that Rauner’s silence is a sign of his approval of Trump’s policies.
– MrJM
- Sue - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 3:50 pm:
Currently on Fox News- the Democratic Senate President of NJ just said NJ has structural deficits that no amount of money can fix. He also said raising taxes doesn’t work- what NJ needs is spending reform. It’s sad no Democrat in Illinois where are problems are similar to NJ doesn’t have Steve Sweeny’s Outlook. Ill Nous cannot tax it’s way to solvency and calling tax increases investments in the future is just BS. The NJ senate president also said if they raise taxes all that happens is rich people who can leave will do so. Where is our Steve Sweeney?
- Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 5:46 pm:
I am shocked, shocked I say, to learn that Sue watches Fox News.
- Rabid - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 8:02 pm:
Rauner is a trump supporter, jockeying to make trump comfortable
- Leatherneck - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 9:40 pm:
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:00 am:
===…featured governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan…===
Gov. Greitens says hello.
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Had Greitens kept his trysts to himself those ads would have been killed in over 3 weeks anyway, after the Ives attack ad (”Thank you Bruce Rauner”).
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 9:53 pm:
- Leatherneck -
Read…
===Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner said his campaign has “a whole bunch” of ads coming like one that featured governors of neighboring states mockingly thanking Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan…===
They’re coming back, and Greitens is still a haunting reminder.
If they want to resurrect this “premise”… hmm.
- wordslinger - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 9:53 pm:
===Some, *some*, people may be warming up to Trump a little more as time goes on.===
I wonder if life is easier or harder when you have no principles.
For those who do have principles, there are still bedrock Republicans who remain Never Trumpsters. You can find them, if you want.
I’d start with Rick Wilson. That kid can hit.
- wordslinger - Thursday, Jun 14, 18 @ 10:12 pm:
–”The governor supports the president and Republicans in Congress *** but he won’t hesitate to speak out when he thinks the president is wrong.”==
When asylum seekers show up at a U.S. border crossing, and seek to go through the entry process legally, is it wrong to rip their children from them?
JB Sessions says the policy is to discourage those who seek to enter the country legally from trying.
What say you, Bruce?
Call me crazy, but I call it unholy racist crypto-Fascist barbarism, taking brown babies from their mommas to intimidate them.
My first clues came from my Sunday school lessons. The Jesus ones.
Don’t hesitate to weigh in, governor. Maybe after church on Sunday.
What kind of people are we?
- Rabid - Friday, Jun 15, 18 @ 2:50 am:
Team Rauner love your culture of being in the lap, you just don’t get it
- Rabid - Friday, Jun 15, 18 @ 5:28 am:
Edgar must of been a one time prop like greitens
- Da Big Bad Wolf - Friday, Jun 15, 18 @ 7:02 am:
==When asylum seekers show up at a U.S. border crossing, and seek to go through the entry process legally, is it wrong to rip their children from them?==
I wonder what Diana Rauner thinks about this. Isn’t her life’s work about protecting young children from damaging trauma? Heck it’s even in the name of her organization. A public plea from a Republican first lady would be more influential than a dozen from Durbin. Where is it?