73 Comments - A guy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 10:45 am: ==Every resident of Illinois has constitutional rights that protect them if they encounter law enforcement, regardless of their citizenship or immigration status.== According to what I’ve read, the people being sought are those who have already been to immigration court and their status is already defined after being found ineligible. Having law enforcement agencies not fully cooperate is one issue. Having them work against each other is a dangerous direction to proceed. - ChiChi55 - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 10:47 am: Break the immigration laws and you suffer the consequences. - Romeo - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 10:48 am: Immigrants are always welcome in Illinois. Illegal aliens and those who overstay their visas are not. - Tequila Mockingbird - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 10:51 am: When and why did it become wrong to differentiate between legal immigrants those who do not go through the established process and are here illegally? - cdog - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 10:52 am: I still haven’t been convinced that illegal immigration should be overlooked. It is pathetic that Congress can’t do their job and update immigration and asylum laws, in a reasonable spirit of compromise. - RNUG - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 10:53 am: I believe the stories all said ICE would be enforcing existing court orders. That means the legal process was followed. You can argue whether said process was adequate, but there apparrntly are deportation orders for the people ICE is targeting. In that case, local law enforcement is, I believe, obligated to honor said orders. - ChicagoVinny - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 10:56 am: What went wrong is ICE and CBP putting babies in cages, people in intolerable and inhumane conditions, and participating in racist secret Facebook groups. The agencies themselves are now filled with lawless thugs and acting like it. - Al - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:00 am: Next week might be a good one for packing a lunch at home to take to work. There could be unforeseen labor shortages at your favorite restaurant. - Lester Holt’s Mustache - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:06 am: ==When and why did it become wrong == I don’t think it’s wrong, per se, but it’s gonna create a lot of ugly, Elian Gonzalez-style scenes. Will probably discourage Hispanic folks from cooperating with police when they need information to solve crimes, too. I’d personally prefer to treat them like we did the Cubans with the wet foot/dry foot policy. Then again, Cubans in Florida now vote straight republican…. - Steve - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:06 am: JB must really be worried about losing 2 House seats instead of one… - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:08 am: ===JB must really be worried about losing 2 House seats instead of one…=== Explain, plainly, the required census count. Who gets counted, not by your opinion, but constitutionally. I’ll let you try first…. - Graduated College Student - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:15 am: ===I believe the stories all said ICE would be enforcing existing court orders. That means the legal process was followed. You can argue whether said process was adequate, but there apparrntly are deportation orders for the people ICE is targeting. In that case, local law enforcement is, I believe, obligated to honor said orders.=== That’s what ICE says they will do. What have you seen out of them in the last few years that makes you want to take them at their word and trust their restraint? - RNUG - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:17 am: == What went wrong is ICE and CBP putting babies in cages, people in intolerable and inhumane conditions, and participating in racist secret Facebook groups. == We aren’t supposed to get off into national politics, but it is hard to discuss this without doing so. Congress can fix this if they want to. Illegal immigration has been a problem for at least years,if not longer. During that time, both parties have, for 2 years here and there, had full control of both Chambers of Congress and the White House, and could have rammed through legislation. They didn’t. The logical conclusion is neither national party really wants to fix it. - Blake - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:20 am: Oswego Willy, I took Steve’s comment to mean residents, which is unrelated to the citizenship question that’s been in the news. - Excitable Boy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:20 am: - ICE would be enforcing existing court orders - Yeah, I bet they won’t make any mistakes, well oiled machine that bunch. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:22 am: - Blake - I’m sure - Steve - can explain it. ===JB must really be worried about losing 2 House seats instead of one…=== In the context of the Post, I dunno, I’ll let - Steve - try. Thanks. - Steve - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:23 am: OW The intimidation factor is quite large. If many mixed status families don’t fill out the census forms it can affect to total census count. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/citizenship-question-dropped-census-advocates-fear-damage/story?id=64225417 - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:25 am: ===The intimidation factor is quite large. If many mixed status families don’t fill out the census forms it can affect to total census count.=== This is quite true, and my fear is that a state like Illinois, and specifically Illinois, that sends more monies to DC then it gets in return, it’s critical, not just for congressional representation, but far more importantly, if I can argue that side, the monies that are married to population for programs. A fool is one in Illinois hoping for a count far less reflective of the actual count here. - Real - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:28 am: Immigrants are always welcome in Illinois. Illegal aliens and those who overstay their visas are not. -And most of the people saying things like this have ancestors that are illegal aliens that came to this land from Europe when this land was occupied by Native American Indians. - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:31 am: Great question no one will ever ask Mayor Lightfoot, Governor Pritzker and Attorney General Raoul who have sworn an oath to uphold the laws of this country. What should happen to those individuals who have been through the courts and now have final deportation orders against them? - Responsa - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:34 am: I think the governor and some other Illinois officials may be misreading public sentiment on this issue. Not cooperating and in fact seeking to thwart federal law endorsement in the process to remove individuals that immigration courts have already lawfully deemed to require deportation seems like a questionable and arbitrary stance for any governor to take. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:37 am: ===I think the governor and some other Illinois officials may be misreading public sentiment on this issue.=== There might be polling you can point to on this issue. If you could find it for Illinois, that would be great. - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 11:54 am: If the State of Illinois does anything illegal I hope that the Federal government prosecutes. In addition, if there is a lack of cooperation with Federal authorities then withdrawal of federal funds should also be enacted. This has been done many times in the past by the FEDS on other issues. Of course, the FEDs, as well as the states, should respect the law. - Rich Miller - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:08 pm: ===If the State of Illinois does anything illegal=== What are you alleging? - Cassandra - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:08 pm: I’m not clear on what the problem is here. Did the feds stop deporting people with court orders at some point so there is a backlog. And whether or not there is a backlog, what should the government do-ignore its own laws? Since immigration is a federal matter, could Congress suspend these deportation orders pending further review. And if not, what? What exactly are opponents of carrying out these apparently legal orders proposing. And why is Congress off the hook, with local politicians having to try and patch together various remedies. This really is a federal issue, and Congress has repeatedly failed to act, as we have read ad nauseaum in various accounts of the immigration issue through the decades. The last serious effort at immigration reform was under George W Bush, a Republican!, with his support, I believe. It failed. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:13 pm: - Johns Daughter - What law do *you* want to “break” to feel better? Yeah, it sounds just as ridiculous when I ask ya. - Blake - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:33 pm: Cassandra, there was an immigration reform bill that passed the US Senate in 2013 https://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-2013-senate-passes-093530 - Last Bull Moose - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:38 pm: From the news reports there are one million people in the United States who have been through the legal process and ordered to be deported. That tells me there has been a long period of not enforcing the law. I doubt ICE will make much of a dent in that number. - Yep - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:38 pm: Passing laws not to enforce the law Yep brilliant - olddog - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:58 pm: I wonder if we’re missing a point here. Whatever their theoretical legal ramifications, there’s a big element of political theater in the current federal immigration policy, and it’s clearly designed to scare immigrant communities and discourage further immigration. The state’s response is political, too, designed to reassure immigrants that Illinois is still “a welcoming state.” Whether that’s appropriate may be open to argument in the loftier realms of legal theory, but it’s also a political question. - Demoralized - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:20 pm: ==if there is a lack of cooperation with Federal authorities== The state doesn’t need to cooperate. Immigration enforcment is a federal responsibility. I wouldn’t help them either. - Just Sayin' - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:20 pm: ==If the State of Illinois does anything illegal I hope that the Federal government prosecutes.== IL has only prohibited (1) the State and local governments from entering any agreement or making any financial transactions with a private detention facility and (2) any State or local police department from its voluntary participation in the federal 287(g) program. Neither of these actions are illegal nor are they requiring any police to hinder federal enforcement of immigration laws. The federal 287(g) program allows a officers to voluntarily identify, process, and detain immigration offenders they encounter during their regular, daily law-enforcement activity (AFTER they have taking a 4-week course). - Demoralized - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:21 pm: ==who have sworn an oath to uphold the laws of this country.== This coming from a guy who supported a Governor who regularly flaunted the law. - Rich Miller - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:22 pm: ===The state doesn’t need to cooperate. Immigration enforcment is a federal responsibility=== Yep. Please keep that in mind here. - Blue Dog Dem - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:37 pm: I wonder what JB and Raoul would have said back in 2012 when over 400,000 illegals were deported. - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:37 pm: Rich Miller - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 12:08 pm: ===If the State of Illinois does anything illegal=== What are you alleging? No more nor less that what I stated. The laws are complex as you so well know. Yes, immigration is a federal not a state responsibility. However, if the state does anything illegal to impede federal authorities in their legal activities to deport illegal aliens then that is another issue. Time will tell. This is a long way from being over with. And as you well know local, state and federal law enforcement authorities do cooperate with each other. If such cooperation does not exist on one important issue then the FEDs can remember that in many, many ways including funding. - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:42 pm: wonder if we’re missing a point here. Whatever their theoretical legal ramifications, there’s a big element of political theater in the current federal immigration policy, and it’s clearly designed to scare immigrant communities and discourage further immigration.” No doubt it is to send a message that illegal immigration will be prosecuted. As well it should be. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:42 pm: ===if the state does anything illegal to impede federal authorities=== If, Buts, Candies, Nuts… What are you saying, what illegality are you expecting? - Rich Miller - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:43 pm: === If such cooperation does not exist on one important issue then the FEDs can remember that in many, many ways including funding. === lol - Demoralized - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:45 pm: ==if the state does anything illegal== Again, what does that mean. What illegal activity are you anticipating? ==then the feds can remember that in many, many ways== Well that’s Donald Trump-esqe. Make wild threats. - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:47 pm: “lol” lol - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:51 pm: === If such cooperation does not exist on one important issue then the FEDs can remember that in many, many ways including funding. === You mean like withhold funding to sanctuary cities? How’d that go? - Graduated College Student. - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:54 pm: ===No doubt it is to send a message that illegal immigration will be prosecuted. As well it should be.==== Yeah, gonna stick with “all” immigration, or at least all non-white immigration. Also racism. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opinion/ice-raids.html - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:57 pm: I seemed to have gotten under a lot of peoples skin for stating some rational observations. However, that hardly surprises me. So how many on this site believe that illegal immigration should be ignored and that it should continued in what effectively amounts to a defacto open borders policy. - Rich Miller - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 1:58 pm: ===illegal immigration should be ignored and that it should continued in what effectively amounts to a defacto open borders policy=== Stop arguing like a child. - Skeptic - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:02 pm: “Not cooperating and in fact seeking to thwart federal law” wasn’t there a recent 2-year investigation about exactly that? - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:02 pm: ===I seemed to have gotten under a lot of peoples skin for stating some rational observations.=== You can’t state what illegalities you “expect”, or… trying to stop funding to sanctuary cities is any indication how you see that going, it didn’t go well last time. Rational means both honest and possible. You’re the person at the end of the bar irrationally yelling “you’ll see, I’m right”… and you’re being mocked. ===However, that hardly surprises me.=== You engage the person at the end of the bar for a while, then you just hope they mumble off. ===So how many on this site believe that illegal immigration should be ignored and that it should continued in what effectively amounts to a defacto open borders policy.=== (Sigh) “Either agree with my ridiculousness, or you’re fit open borders” Yep, here’s where ya mumble off and we move on with other things, lol - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:02 pm: Rich, Obviously I have gotten under your skin on this issue. I have seen a lot of childish arguments on this site but my comment is just the opposite of that. - Rich Miller - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:05 pm: ===but my comment is just the opposite of that=== Just like a child, you cannot see your own childish ways. Grow up and argue like an adult here or leave. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:05 pm: ===Obviously I have gotten under your skin on this issue. I have seen a lot of childish arguments on this site but my comment is just the opposite of that.=== Narrator: This is the “I know” defense. Usually followed by blaming others for “not knowing what I know” after. This won’t end well. - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:09 pm: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/05/09/yes-the-feds-could-pull-north-carolinas-education-funding-for-violating-transgender-civil-rights/?utm_term=.256f3ab95641 y Emma Brown May 9, 2016 North Carolina receives more than $4 billion in federal education funding each year. Now the federal government is considering withholding that money because, the Justice Department says, the state has passed a law that violates the civil rights of transgender individuals by forcing them to use bathrooms that correspond to the sex on their birth certificates instead of their gender identity. But would federal officials really withhold billions of dollars meant to help educate poor children, children with disabilities, and college students who can’t afford to go to school without federal aid? They’ve done it before. The federal government withheld funds in the 1960s from more than 100 school districts in the south that refused desegregation, according to Gary Orfield, an education scholar and co-director of the Civil Rights Project at the University of California-Los Angeles. In the early 1980s, for example, the federal government withheld scholarships to low-income students at Grove City College, a small private Christian college in Pennsylvania, after the school refused to promise to comply with Title IX, the federal law barring discrimination based on sex. The college objected and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court, which issued a mixed decision: The Education Department was within its rights to strip the grants, but it was only the college’s financial aid program — not the whole institution — that had to comply with Title IX. Yes, this is a complex issue with a serious past. - Romeo - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:09 pm: @Nonbeliever I wrote a well-thought comment on the fact that two of my friends are going through the legal naturalization process. But apparently that comment gets blocked because it doesn’t subscribe to the open border policy of this thread. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:13 pm: ===May 9, 2016=== Which administration? *This* administration tried to stop funding for sanctuary cities. Again. How’d that go? - Nonbeliever - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:13 pm: Rich, It is obvious you do not want me to post. That is your decision. - Demoralized - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:13 pm: Stop being such a victim. There isn’t a person on here who hasn’t gotten caught in the filter for one reason or another. Go cry somewhere else. - Demoralized - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:14 pm: ==It is obvious you do not want me to post.== Oh please. Grow up. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:17 pm: ===It is obvious you do not want me to post.=== To quote: “The victimhood is strong with this one” I’m still waiting to here the illegality expected. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:20 pm: ===You are the personification of childish responses.=== I was quoting “Wordslinger” He didn’t suffer any fools. - RNUG - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:26 pm: == There isn’t a person on here who hasn’t gotten caught in the filter for one reason or another == My second comment on this subject is off trapped somewhere. I’m not crying about it. If I want to, I’ll just rephrase it … - Steve - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:28 pm: Is there anything the feds can do if they don’t get state and local cooperation? Yes, ICE can do much. They can hang out near court rooms, schools, currency exchanges. ICE has friends in state and local law enforcement. Out in California , the Orange County Sheriff doesn’t fear being prosecuted for posting inmate release dates to help ICE capture undocumented immigrants. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/03/27/a-calif-sheriff-is-skirting-state-sanctuary-laws-to-help-ice-capture-undocumented-immigrants/?utm_term=.279bef362e50 - Demoralized - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:34 pm: == the Orange County Sheriff doesn’t fear being prosecuted== Don’t you just love it when members of law enforcement don’t follow the law. - Blue Dog Dem - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 2:49 pm: Again i ask, where was the outrage and calls of racism in 2012. Do we need a history lesson? - Lester Holt’s Mustache - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:08 pm: ==Again i ask, where was the outrage and calls of racism in 2012.== There was lots of it. Numerous pro-immigration and Hispanic groups protested Obama at multiple stops during his race against Mitt Romney. He was also referred to derisively by members of what was then called the Republican party as the ”deporter-in-chief” during their Hispanic outreach events. You can google it - Graduated College Students - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:09 pm: ===Again i ask, where was the outrage and calls of racism in 2012. Do we need a history lesson?=== It was there, albeit more from people who work on immigrant and refugee rights. Use google. - Skeptic - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:11 pm: “where was the outrage and calls of racism in 2012.” Well, for one thing it wasn’t a campaign promise from the administration in power at the time. - Grandson of Man - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:11 pm: Republicans and right wingers advertise themselves as the party and people of Jesus Christ and Christian values. But demonizing and attacking the weak undocumented immigrant from a poor country who has darker skin very much contradicts those values. - Johns Daughter - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:20 pm: OW, the law I’d like to break is paying taxes. If I can get a pass on that with no prosecution, I’ll look the other way on illegal immigration. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:27 pm: ===the law I’d like to break is paying taxes. If I can get a pass on that with no prosecution, I’ll look the other way on illegal immigration.=== So… if you can be a freeloader… you’re an “open border” person. Lots to unpack here, LOL - @misterjayem - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:30 pm: “Again i ask, where was the outrage and calls of racism in 2012. Do we need a history lesson?” I know there were anti-ICE protests in the Loop because I attended them. The actions of ICE were needlessly violent and racist then — they’re even more so now. But congratulations for staying on-brand with yet another instance of whataboutism. – MrJM - Won't Matter - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 3:40 pm: It won’t matter. Seeing as it’s a federal matter the feds are in charge of it. I’m just glad we have someone actually enforcing this on a federal level seeing as the regime here in Illinois doesn’t care to help at all. They’ll get a number of them regardless and I’m glad. - @misterjayem - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 4:01 pm: “Do we need a history lesson?” Of course this isn’t the first time that national authorities have demanded that local police help round-up non-citizen lawbreakers. Not even the first time the national authorities in question were in charge of notoriously inhumane and unsanitary camps where children died from preventable diseases and maltreatment. But I’m sure many of her neighbors comforted themselves by saying “they’re enforcing existing orders” and “the legal process was followed” as young Miss Frank was taken away. – MrJM - njt - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 4:06 pm: ==Don’t you just love it when members of law enforcement don’t follow the law.== The same people here clamoring mass deportation are the same to rush and support the Bundy’s or Kim Davis’ of the world. It’s all red meat. - RNUG - Friday, Jul 12, 19 @ 4:21 pm: == But I’m sure many of her neighbors comforted themselves by saying “they’re enforcing existing orders” and “the legal process was followed” as young Miss Frank was taken away. == The mother of my wife’s best friend was a concentration camp survivor. Not the same. Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.