The company you keep
Tuesday, May 19, 2020 - Posted by Rich Miller * The trolls are active this week…
* Meanwhile, this Feder column is not accurate…
Right now, with the governor isolating at home, the news media briefings are 100 percent virtual. Jacobson is only barred from submitting questions directly to the governor’s press secretary, but she can still submit questions to the two pool reporters like lots of folks do. Whether those reporters will accept her questions is uncertain, though, since she spoke at the reopen rally.
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- Boone's is Back - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:40 am:
Shake it off Jordan. Once quarantine gets lifted they’ll still be in their mom’s basements.
- Ray Gun - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:42 am:
wow. so speaking in opposition to the Governor gets you banned from asking questions. Seems rather Trump like.
- Craig S - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:42 am:
Amy is a well known “pool reporter”. I’m sure she will figure it out.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:45 am:
=== speaking in opposition===
What a stupid thing to say. She participated in and spoke at a rally. Huge difference.
- 32nd warder - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:46 am:
Amy Jakobson is a real class act. Hows her pal Drew Peterson?
- Ron Burgundy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:46 am:
–wow. so speaking in opposition to the Governor gets you banned from asking questions.–
No, becoming the news means you can’t be treated as covering the news.
- Amalia - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:47 am:
Craig S. for the win.
- Annonin' - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:49 am:
Maybe Two Piece can get PRoft to ask Two Part Questions
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:50 am:
Very little good in twitter.
If the goal of the exercise, in your Twitter, is to spout hate speech to further your political thoughts, then the simplicity of your thought prolly don’t need 280 characters.
I can almost hear the mouth breathing in these words.
Ms. Abudayyeh,
For every troll out there, there *are* hundreds who aren’t going on twitter as often to thank you, and all those working to save lives and trying to keep the public, the press, all of us informed and engaged in not only the governing and fighting this virus.
While it’s important to harden your resolve to ignore the worst elements of social media, keep yourself and your own thoughts to the good that is out there, and the good you know of yourself and those around you. They can’t help but be vile, their voices lack in making a difference, even within their own twitter world.
Stay well.
Oswego Willy
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:52 am:
A reporter or a media personality.
You can’t be both.
It’s a sink or swim kinda decision for Amy Jacobson
- Cool Papa Bell - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:52 am:
She’s a talk show host and an activist. She’s trolled the Governor’s weight on her Twitter account in the past. She’s someone who wants to be the news rather than report the news. She asks silly, self involved questions.
She’s more than welcome to try and book the Governor as a guest on her show but she shouldn’t be in the media pool. She is not a reporter. She was tolerated long enough and is more than smart enough to know the outcome of showing up to that rally and speaking on stage.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:55 am:
Ms. Jacobson, in her actions at the rally, may have “self-isolated” herself from the “pool”-
“…but she can still submit questions to the two pool reporters like lots of folks do. Whether those reporters will accept her questions is uncertain, though, since she spoke at the reopen rally.”
- Lt Guv - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:56 am:
Boones is Back and Mary Ann Ahern on your Twitter got it right. Ignore the trolls and carry on.
- Motambe - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:56 am:
Jacobson should not be speaking at rallies for or against office holders or candidates. It damages her credibility as a neutral news reporter. That said, Governor Thin Skin is far too sensitive about this issue. You cannot parade your wealth and privilege down Main Street and expect the people and press to look away. As President Truman said, “I’d you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
- Ok - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:56 am:
Asking the questions wasn’t about getting the answers, it was about her asking the questions.
- Curious citizen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:57 am:
Once you speak at a political rally to get the crowd excited, you’re no longer a reporter. You’re Sean Hannity.
- City Zen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 10:58 am:
We’ll now open the floor to questions. Yes, the gentleman with three Twitter followers, Mr Rambone?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:02 am:
Huh?
=== Jacobson should not be speaking at rallies for or against office holders or candidates. It damages her credibility as a neutral news reporter. That said, Governor Thin Skin is far too sensitive about this issue. You cannot parade your wealth and privilege down Main Street and expect the people and press to look away. As President Truman said, “I’d you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”===
This makes no sense;
“Jacobson should not be speaking at rallies for or against office holders or candidates. It damages her credibility as a neutral news reporter.“
Amy Jacobson is a radio host, a media personality. In no way does she have “journalistic” credentials when in that role of radio host and personality, you speak at a rally. Your premise is flawed from jump street.
Probably why I scratched my head here;
“That said, Governor Thin Skin is far too sensitive about this issue. You cannot parade your wealth and privilege down Main Street and expect the people and press to look away. As President Truman said, ‘I’d you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.’”
See, that’s “opinion”, not unlike an opinion a radio host or media personality might have.
If you are agreeing with her… opinion.., then she’s doing her job, as a radio host and media personality.
With respect.
- efudd - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:05 am:
Oh, thank you social media.
- Medvale - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:18 am:
Amy, whatchyou gonna do?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:21 am:
Let’s ALL be very crystal clear who Amy Jacobson is now… k?
@AmyJacobson - WIND’s Amy Jacobson barred from governor’s media briefings - Robert Feder
We’ll discuss at 8:35am
7:27 AM • 5/19/20
Amy Jacobson, radio host and media personality is promoting her situation, to her listeners for her show… with Dan Proft.
She wants opinions, on the radio, about her opinions, and thinking that makes her a journalist… who speaks at a rally.
It’s foolish to think she’s a journalist in this framing.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:22 am:
=== Well then that’s a good thing since he’s been right about Russia collusion and Mueller while the so called “media” was wrong and lied every step of the way.===
“Everyone’s” a victim, even Sean Hannity, lol
- truthtopower - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:24 am:
The lines are certainly blurred these days between “objective” reporter and “media personality.” Many media personalities on MSNBC, Fox & CNN are also appear as “objective” reporters. Do “objective” reporters lose their 1st Amendment right to advocate?
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:28 am:
===The lines are certainly blurred these days===
Perhaps in blurry minds. Among clear thinkers, they’re not.
- LakeCo - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:28 am:
=Do “objective” reporters lose their 1st Amendment right to advocate?=
Never fails to surprise me how many people think the 1st Amendment guarantees you the right to say and do anything you want, consequence-free.
- @misterjayem - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:28 am:
“Many media personalities on MSNBC, Fox & CNN are also appear as “objective” reporters.”
Who?
“Do ‘objective’ reporters lose their 1st Amendment right to advocate?”
No. Reporters who exercise their 1st Amendment right to advocate surrender their status as objective reporters. They’re not fired, they quit.
And sometimes quitting has consequences.
– MrJM
- Lester Holt’s Mustache - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:31 am:
== Do “objective” reporters lose their 1st Amendment right to advocate?==
Not necessarily, but “advocates” do lose their right to classify themselves as “objective reporters”. You can’t be both. No one would classify Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow as “objective reporters“, for example.
- thoughts matter - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:39 am:
Civility is obviously damaged/ maybe beyond repair.
If the only thing you can think of to say to Jordan are these type of comments, then don’t say anything. Ever hear of tne ‘is it true, is it kind, is it necessary ‘ test to do in your head before thoughts come out of it? Jordan is a government employee. She’s got a lot on her plate and these people are wasting her taxpayer paid for time. I’m sure I can come up with even more arguments to be made against these comments- but people who post these comments wouldn’t understand them.
- So Blue - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:44 am:
Thoughts Matter
Trump started the process with his ignorant tweets.
- Lester Holt’s Mustache - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:51 am:
You know what kind of shocks me in all of this is the ILGOP’s stance so far. I know they’ve been pretty quick to follow trumps lead on most things, but to do so in the face of polling that shows 70 to 80 percent of the public supporting pritzkers handling seems like electoral malfeasance. When was the last time one of the major parties decided to be full-throat advocates on an issue that’s only supported by ~20% of the public? It’s like they’re going out of their way to portray themselves as representing the farthest outliers, fully embracing the anti-vaxxers, Illinois nazis, internet trolls and confederate sympathizers. It’s created a scenario where they’re basically disregarding the views of a vast majority of seniors and suburban women, which have always been a necessity for the ILGOP to win. Plus it’s almost every one of them, with only Brady offering a “tsk tsk” response and Durkin hiding in the bathroom hoping no one notices.
If I was a donor, I’d ask for my money back.
- thoughts matter - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:57 am:
So blue- he definitely accelerated the damage to a point that it may never recover. Not just his tweets either, he talks like that when he gives speeches, in debates, interviews, press conferences, etc. I was always told speech like that was a sign of a small minded person.
- Annonin' - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:59 am:
Did Two Piece get a fee as the Rally MC or keynote speaker?
- Just Me 2 - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 12:11 pm:
It reminds me of when IPI wanted to be a lobbyist and a reporter at the same time. That’s not how this works.
- northsider (the original) - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 12:19 pm:
Amy seems to be trying to be a poor man’s Laura Ingraham. She’ll be touting malaria drugs next.
- Soccermom - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 12:31 pm:
I am okay if columnists and others whose opinions are well-known ask questions. In fact, I often wish that columnists and editorial writers would ask more questions and get more facts. But when you speak at a rally, you’ve crossed a line.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 1:25 pm:
Some “reporters” express their opinions regularly. Lynn Sweet, for example. Carol Marin for another one. Are they not considered journalists? By whom? If Rachel Maddow wanted to cover a press conference in Illinois, would she be denied? You know the answer. Take Jacobson out of it for a moment. This Governor doesn’t like to be questioned or criticized. It won’t be tolerated.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 1:27 pm:
Have Carol Marin or Lynn Sweet spike at rallies?
Is Rachel Maddie now in the pool asking questions if the governor?
=== Take Jacobson out of it for a moment===
No. That’s what folks want losing this argument…
Amy Jacobson has made herself the issue, also breaking the guest rule of journalism, don’t make yourself the story.
Anything else?
- Jibba - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 1:28 pm:
-It won’t be tolerated.-
So far it has been by the general public as seen in polls. And he has tolerated a lot of criticism, I’ve seen.
- Excitable Boy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 1:34 pm:
- This Governor doesn’t like to be questioned or criticized. -
He’s done a daily press conference with questions for about 3 months now, weekends and holidays included until recently. Jacobson was allowed that entire time, still technically is if she can convince the pool reporters to ask her questions.
But yeah, JB won’t tolerate questioning. FYI I just read that breathing through your nose might help knock down some of the virus you inhale, maybe try it sometime.
- Motambe - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 1:55 pm:
There is probably no one whose comments I respect more than Oswego Willy’s. Jacobson is an unknown entity in southern Illinois. Social media reports pictured her as a reporter banned from the press conferences. OW has clarified that she is not a reporter, but rather is a media entertainer. Thanks for the correction. And the Truman quote begins “IF you can’t…….”. Dang autocorrect.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 1:57 pm:
“Have Carol Marin or Lynn Sweet spike at rallies?”
So you won’t answer the question. Awesome. Speaking at rallies is “your” red line in the sand? And the Governor’s? Please. Is this written in a law somewhere that anyone who attends a rally MUST NOT be permitted to ask him a question or is it another of the Governor’s unilateral mandates from on high? Its okay if he gets a tough question or one that questions his decisions. He won’t melt.
It is the media outlet-you know-the NEWS radio station that has an unqualified right to ask questions at a public briefing. THEY, not you, get to choose who represents them. I get it. You, and the Governor disagree with her politics. Too bad. Not everyone will agree with this Governor 100% of the time, which means he should still put the big boy pants on. This is no different than when Trump tried to tell CNN they couldn’t send Jim Acosta. Sorry it doesn’t fly for you either.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 1:58 pm:
“Let’s ALL be very crystal clear who Amy Jacobson is now… k?”
Ok, let’s. She is a journalist that a NEWS outlet chose to represent them at a public briefing. You don’t need to know anything else.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:08 pm:
=== So you won’t answer the question. Awesome.===
They don’t speak at rallies.
If you need me to answer this, lol
=== Speaking at rallies is “your” red line in the sand?===
Not my red line, journalists’ red lines.
If you’re foolishly ignorant that what Fox News tries to do, for an example, is make the prime time lineup of media personalities sold as “journalism” from those personalities.
They speak at rallies, intro people, but say they “do journalism”, as personalities.
Roger Ailes, whom POTUS waxes poetic missing in a tweet recently, knew… the goal is to move opinion to be sold as journalism. Thanks for showing Ailes’ vision is a reality.
=== Is this written in a law somewhere that anyone who attends a rally MUST NOT be permitted to ask him a question or is it another of the Governor’s unilateral mandates from on high? Its okay if he gets a tough question or one that questions his decisions. He won’t melt.===
If that person has journalistic ethics… it’s written as one of the rules of being an actual journalist. They have whole classes about ethics in journalism too.
=== It is the media outlet-you know-the NEWS radio station that has an unqualified right to ask questions at a public briefing. THEY, not you, get to choose who represents them. I get it.===
It’s like Roger Ailes himself is being channeled by your keystrokes.
They are an opinion-driven talk radio program, Proft and Jacobson. You bought the bill of goods from the Ailes playbook.
=== This is no different than when Trump tried to tell CNN===
Is Acosta a morning drive host, or an afternoon drive host?
It’s as though you can’t see… ethics and differences.
=== She is a journalist that a NEWS outlet chose to represent them at a public briefing.===
LOL, this is comedy gold to a self own.
She’s a media personality on talk radio, a program driven by political opinion.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:13 pm:
=== anyone who attends a rally===
Any Jacobson spoke.
You must’ve forgot that.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:17 pm:
- Motambe -
Thank you for the very kind words. Appreciate them.
If anything, and why I guessed you may not know *of* her, it’s a (lack of a better term) credit to Jacobson to continue to be able to pass herself off as a journalist, until her situation today on the radio is revealed in context.
All good, thanks, and stay safe.
OW
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:18 pm:
===You must’ve forgot that===
Doubtful. Just another dishonest person trying to justify the unjustifiable.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:42 pm:
“He’s done a daily press conference with questions for about 3 months now, weekends and holidays included until recently”
Softball questions with no follow-up, so not really what I was talking about.
- Excitable Boy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:44 pm:
- Softball questions with no follow-up -
Now you get to decide what’s softball or not. Were Amy’s softball!? How about Rich’s?
Go back to the rock you crawled out from under.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:44 pm:
“It’s like Roger Ailes himself is being channeled by your keystrokes”
Um no. The First Amendment is channeling my keystrokes. That’s probably what got you confused. A news outlet gets to choose who represents them, not “The Man Who Knows Everything From Oswego” and not the public official being covered.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 2:55 pm:
=== The First Amendment is channeling my keystrokes.==
That’s not journalism, that’s free speech. Different ethics in both.
===That’s probably what got you confused.===
Oh no, it’s you realizing that Amy Jacobson’s free speech is NOT journalism. Good on you.
===A news outlet===
They’re talk radio… lol
- Demoralized - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 3:26 pm:
==She is a journalist==
No, she’s not. Journalists don’t speak at rallies. If you don’t understand that you can’t be helped and you clearly have zero clue about what actual journalism looks like. You look silly trying to justify her.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 3:39 pm:
“You look silly trying to justify her.”
I’m justifying a NEWS outlet. They get to choose who represents them. Not you. And please explain why it takes an “impartial” journalist to read questions that listeners of WIND send in. Do the listeners have to be “impartial” too?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 3:44 pm:
- Michael Westen -
In the words of Rich, if I may;
===Just another dishonest person trying to justify the unjustifiable.===
I’ve fed you enough.
I’ll let you choose, but choose you must.
Are you ignorant or blissfully unaware?
I’m choosing what Rich typed.
Stay well.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 3:45 pm:
If you cannot see that her actions destroy her credibility as a journalist then you cannot be helped.
And, as Rich stated, she’s free to submit questions to the pool reporters to be asked.
Now go away.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 3:48 pm:
==I’m justifying a NEWS outlet. They get to choose who represents them==
I also question a news outlet that allows one of their purported journalists to participate in a rally. That denigrates their standing as as a news outlet.
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 3:59 pm:
=== It damages her credibility as a neutral news reporter. ===
That ship sank a long time ago.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 4:01 pm:
=== That ship sank a long time ago.===
Please, you meant that pool raft sank…
:)
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 5:49 pm:
“Are you ignorant or blissfully unaware?” stop projecting. I guess WIND might have called you for advice on who to have represent them but they didn’t want to take you away from your full-time gig shining Pritzker’s shoes on capitol fax. They don’t need your permission. Or Rich’s. Or the Governor’s.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 5:50 pm:
“I also question a news outlet that allows one of their purported journalists to participate in a rally. That denigrates their standing as as a news outlet.”
You can question it. They still don’t need your permission.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 5:53 pm:
=== They still don’t need your permission.===
… and they can be denied. LOL
=== They don’t need your permission. Or Rich’s. Or the Governor’s.===
As of right now, they have no access. So there’s that.
I’ve fed you, again.
I’ll choose for you.
Willfully ignorant.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 5:56 pm:
“I’ve fed you enough.”
Yes you fed me enough Pritzker talking points. But I see enough of those at his briefings. Try something original. Think for yourself.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 5:58 pm:
=== Think for yourself.===
You think a media personality… is a journalist.
Talk about losing any idea of thinking for yourself, LOL
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 7:34 pm:
“You think a media personality… is a journalist.”
Um, no. Still not thinking for yourself. A media outlet can choose who they wish to represent them. They don’t need your permission. Still waiting for your brilliance to explain why an elected official can dictate (a good word for this Governor) to a media outlet who can cover him and who can’t. I know, I know, she dared disagree with him. I mean a real reason.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 7:38 pm:
- Michael Westen -
Calling herself a journalist … Doesn’t make her a journalists.
Journalists called her on it.
Defending Amy Jacobson as a journalist is like calling me a professional baseball player.
Neither one of us are those things.
I do feel sorry for you… that you can think she’s a journalist, lol
- Excitable Boy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 7:41 pm:
- A media outlet can choose who they wish to represent them -
Yeah, and you could decide Rick Flair is going to advise you on your health matters, but that doesn’t make him a doctor.
Journalist isn’t just a job title like the one you probably have, it actually has a meaning and ethical standards upheld by those in the trade.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 7:44 pm:
=== those in the trade.===
This is choice cut…
Journalism is a trade, life guarding at the pool in the summer is a job.
Yikes, that’s tasty… “those in the trade.“
- The Night Fox - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 9:38 pm:
Good for her by sharing the screenshots from these ignorant people. Jordan has carried herself in a respectable way in her career and doesn’t deserve to be harassed that way.
- Michael Westen - Tuesday, May 19, 20 @ 11:10 pm:
“A media outlet can choose who they wish to represent them”
They can. The First Amendment doesn’t have a “….but she hurt my widdle feelings by going to a rally” clause in it. Still waiting to hear from He Who Knows Everything About Every Subject how a Governor can dictate to a media outlet who their reporters are. He is pretty busy running the state to run a radio station too.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 20, 20 @ 8:09 am:
- Michael Westen -
Your willful ignorance… comedy gold.
=== hear from He Who Knows Everything About Every Subject===
Making it about me isn’t an argument.
Your beef is with the journalist… who said Amy Jacobson is NOT a journalist.
The mere fact you want it about me and not the journalist rightly points out what Rich Miller said too;
===Just another dishonest person trying to justify the unjustifiable.===
Your so upset with me? How about Rick Pearson?
Keep pounding the table. Journalists know Amy Jacobson isn’t a journalist.
That’s the ball game