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Part-time DuPage Dem social media staffer resigns after horrid and stupid tweets

Monday, Nov 22, 2021

* The DuPage County Democratic Central Committee has been paying this person $500 a month for the past three years. It was definitely not money well spent

After Sunday’s Christmas parade horror in Waukesha, Wisconsin, an Illinois Democrat appeared to portray the tragedy as a form of payback for Friday’s acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha.

“It was probably just self-defense,” read one of a series of mocking social media posts from Mary Lemanski, who is listed as the social media director for the Democratic Party in DuPage County, Illinois.

Lemanski also describes herself as an acting student with the famed Second City comedy group.

“Living in Wisconsin, he probably felt threatened,” read another post attributed to Lemanski, referring to the SUV driver in the Waukesha case.

* After the pushback began

The DuPage Democrat then offered onlookers her own perspective on the Sunday attack.

‘I’m sad,’ Lemanski shared later that night. ‘I’m sad anytime anyone dies.’

‘I just believe in Karma and this came around quick on the citizens of Wisconsin.’

Then, in another, more judgmental, message directed to the citizens of the state that saw both of the contentious attacks, the staffer proclaimed, ‘You reap what you sow, Wisconsin.’

Her tweets are now deleted, but you can see them all at the links above.

* Facebook

The DuPage Democrats deleted that post, and rightly so. She shouldn’t have been using the official site to announce her resignation.

* Twitter…


* So much has been written about the Rittenhouse case nationally and in Illinois, but I’ve avoided it because it was a Wisconsin court case. Various Illinois pols reacted after the verdict, but I’m ignoring them, too. Do yourself a favor and read Mark Brown

Many people are going to have trouble accepting the Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty verdict, but I think there would be fewer of them if they’d watched the trial, beginning to end, as a jury does.

It bothers me deeply that Rittenhouse killed two people with a gun a 17-year-old shouldn’t have had in a fight he shouldn’t have been anywhere near.

But, as I wrote before the jury began its 26-plus hours of deliberations, it’s the correct verdict based on all of the evidence and the law.

It really was self-defense. Rittenhouse wasn’t the aggressor in the chain of events that led to the shootings. […]

I certainly pray people won’t be emboldened by this verdict to show up with their guns every time there is a protest over a matter of public dispute. But I fear some will.

Despite what people are saying, Rittenhouse’s acquittal should not be seen a victory for white supremacists (though I’m sure that crowd is celebrating) any more than a guilty verdict would have been a victory for antifa.

On the other hand, if those redneck clowns in Georgia get away with the shotgun lynching of Ahmaud Arbery, now, that would be a victory for white supremacists.

Take a very deep breath or three before commenting, please. There are plenty of other websites that encourage you to spew anything that comes to mind. This ain’t one of them. Also, remember that you’re often being manipulated…


…Adding… Press release…

“The Democratic Party of DuPage County immediately severed all ties with Mary Lemanski once became aware of her callous and reprehensible posts. She does not speak for us and we unequivocally reject her statements about the tragic events that occurred yesterday in Waukesha. We as a party denounce violence of any kind. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families impacted by this heinous act, which shocked and saddened us all.”

- Democratic Party of DuPage County Chair Ken Mejia-Beal

- Posted by Rich Miller        

70 Comments
  1. - DuPage Moderate - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:36 am:

    A microcosm as to why partisan politics are the worst. Good on Mark Brown for calling it objectively. Bad on our partisan in chief, JB Pritzker, for not.


  2. - Publius - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:36 am:

    Honestly I think someone in the government/military/CIA really needs to come out with this info on the tweets. This is all a big psy ops campaign from Russia and China. It’s terrible that a lot of people buy into it.


  3. - Cheryl44 - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:38 am:

    IMO, Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been there and shouldn’t have been able to possess that rifle. And the rest of the situation is complicated. I disagree with the verdict but I wasn’t in the courtroom so I don’t know what convinced the jury to bring it.

    Also, those tweets are garbage.


  4. - Grandson of Man - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:39 am:

    The Rittenhouse situation is much more than just self-defense. It’s that a white person can walk freely with a deadly weapon, encouraged by police, when for example POC get shot by police for being suspected of having a weapon. This is a clear example of institutional racism.


  5. - Carol - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:43 am:

    It seems like there are way too many mindless zealots on the far right AND the far left with most operating online with a basic disregard of facts. They seem to be feeding off of each other and justifying their emotional based appeals as simply fighting fire with fire. As long as people tolerate the cancel culture and an online herd mentality, the zealots will persist in dividing the nation.


  6. - dan l - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:44 am:

    To be fair, a lot of right leaning states have been trying to legalize running people over with a car since the social justice protests last year.


  7. - Responsa - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:48 am:

    Considering this DuPage lady made national news I think it would have been a better look if the Du Page Democratic Party had officially fired her and said so, rather than apparently allowing her to resign.

    https://nypost.com/2021/11/22/illinois-dem-calls-wisconsin-christmas-rampage-karma/


  8. - Roman - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:53 am:

    Chicagoans who got their coverage of the trial from our daily newspapers where extremely well served. Mark Brown wrote some really good columns (one of his best lines: “To paraphrase a former president, there were bad people on both sides.”) And Stacy St. Clair’s day-to-day coverage of the testimony in the Tribune was outstanding. They cut through the political side show and focused on the facts, unlike most of the national media.


  9. - 47th Ward - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:55 am:

    Russia, China, Iran and others don’t want the US to be the sole superpower in the world. They are actively spreading hate and division among us to keep us fighting with each other while they do as they please. Facebook and social media are perfect tools for this.

    We are easily manipulated and they will keep doing it until we show we won’t put up with it anymore.


  10. - Blue Dog - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:56 am:

    Grandson. As eloquent a writer as you are, maybe you should apply for this position.


  11. - dan l - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 11:59 am:

    ———
    Considering this DuPage lady made national news I think it would have been a better look if the Du Page Democratic Party had officially fired her and said so, rather than apparently allowing her to resign.

    ——-

    I mean she made a joke, right?


  12. - Huh? - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:05 pm:

    “lot of people buy into it”

    But … but… but… it’s on the internet and facebook, so it must be true. /s


  13. - JS Mill - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:06 pm:

    =It bothers me deeply that Rittenhouse killed two people with a gun a 17-year-old shouldn’t have had in a fight he shouldn’t have been anywhere near.=

    This is the whole enchilada for me. He broke more than a few laws just to get there, but the judge decided to drop those charges. I anticipate the DOJ taking a look at civil rights violations, but maybe they won’t.

    He is now the darling of the FOX/Trump right.

    And, @GOM made a very strong point, the police definitely gave a white teen, illegally carrying and assault rifle a level of deference (yeah, they told him to get back) that a person of color would not have received.

    With regard to the russian/chinese twittering, this has been going on for a long time. Putin has been playing the long game of trying to bring us down to their level by creating chaos and discord in the US. Sowing distrust in our institutions like never before. This effort is well documented, and I don’t mean on social media or Qanon.

    When Trump came on the scene the efforts went into hyper drive, and the conservative right bought in lock stock and barrel. Hard to believe the party of Reagan and our most patriotic people (/s) would aid and abet a Russian autocrat in his effort to cripple the US. But they are.


  14. - Sue - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:10 pm:

    What she wrote was beyond stupid. Worst tragedy in a very long time committed by someone with extensive criminal history but the Dupage Dem looks to make an ignorant political statement. Indecency to the Nth degree


  15. - Sue - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:13 pm:

    Grandson- what Law School did you graduate from. The verdict was consistent with WS law. If you don’t like the law move north and run for the legislature. Not everything is racist - the case was overcharged and the prosecutor was more focused on politics then doing justice


  16. - SOIL M - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:14 pm:

    “Also, remember that you’re often being manipulated…”
    Spot on Rich. Everything about this has, from the beginning been manipulated by those who have a need to Divide us. That includes Media, Politicians, and Government Officials. Facts were twisted, the incident prejudged, and out right lies were told, to Divide people against each other. As the coverage continues, those who spread the division are now desperate to keep people from seeing they were being manipulated with a false narrative in order to fan the flames of outrage.


  17. - vern - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:15 pm:

    County parties on both sides have long histories of bad posts. It’s a risk that comes naturally for largely volunteer operations, though this coming from a paid contractor is pretty bad.

    That said, everyone involved has apologized, however artlessly, and the contractor is being held responsible to the tune of $500 a month. If every county party handled bad posts like that, the heat in our national politics would be at least marginally lower. For example, no one resigned or got fired for this:

    https://capitolfax.com/2018/08/28/what-the-heck-is-going-on-in-lake-county/


  18. - NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:20 pm:

    ==Lemanski also describes herself as an acting student with the famed Second City comedy group.==

    That will give Lemanski more time for comedy. Maybe she will work her way up to SNL like other Second City alums.


  19. - Leslie K - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:22 pm:

    That analysis of tweets really helps put the magnitude of the manipulation into focus.

    Also, that woman’s sanctimonious final tweet on the DuPage Democrats account certainly seems right in keeping with her other tweets. I also wish they had fired her, but at least she left.


  20. - NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:24 pm:

    AP is reporting that the SUV driver may have been fleeing a crime, and has an extensive criminal record before yesterday’s tragedy:

    https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20211122/news/311229945/


  21. - NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:25 pm:

    ==Considering this DuPage lady made national news I think it would have been a better look if the Du Page Democratic Party had officially fired her and said so, rather than apparently allowing her to resign.==

    Unless it was one of those “either resign or we’ll fire you” types of resignations.


  22. - Ducky LaMoore - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:30 pm:

    Totally agree with Mark Brown. I assumed going into the case, I would have thought Rittenhouse was guilty of murder. But the trial left me with doubts.


  23. - RNUG - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:50 pm:

    As I wrote last? week, I had multiple conflicting opinions on the case, but expected the not guilty result.

    I read both left,center, and right media. And I watched a fair amount of the live stream. I already didn’t trust most of the media, but the reporting was so skewed by most outlets (on both sides), I can see how the different groups reached their conclusions. IMO, the problem are the people that won’t accept the result and / or won’t look at other news sources to see how we ended up here.


  24. - Leave a Light On George - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:53 pm:

    I watched part of the cross examination of the shooter in the Ahmaud Arbery case. Didn’t seem like a good idea after the fact to put him on the stand. Admitted that Arbery was not a threat.


  25. - 47th Ward - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:54 pm:

    ===IMO, the problem are the people that won’t accept the result and / or won’t look at other news sources to see how we ended up here===

    Agreed. This is also true of the election and the public health guidance around the vaccine, masks and testing.

    Fox News inserted a documentary crew into the Rittenhouse defense. This was approved by Rittenhouse and his advisors in exchange for money to help pay for his defense. One can only imagine how Fox plans to edit this to fit whatever narrative they intend to push.

    Final thought on this post, I wonder what handle Mary Lemanski uses when she posts comments here?


  26. - John Lopez - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:55 pm:

    I liked Mark Brown’s op-ed in the Sun-Times over the weekend on the Rittenhouse verdict.

    Another columnist who’s been level-headed on the Rittenhouse story is Eric Zorn. On 9/3/20, Zorn, after doing his due diligence, accurately came to the conclusion Rittenhouse would walk in a Chicago Tribune op-ed.

    Zorn wrote this just over a week after the Kenosha riots.

    Last night on Beyond the Beltway with Bruce DuMont, Zorn was a guest, and maintained what he wrote in early September of 2020, and accurately described all the noise of the Rittenhouse story.

    It’s at start of hour 2 on last night’s You Tube video of the show, and the 15 minute discussion is worth the time.


  27. - Independent - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:57 pm:

    Family members of mine were in the parade or watching along the route as this happened. A stroke of luck and fortunate timing prevented one from being hit by the SUV. The hot takes and attempts to score cheap political points from the wingnuts is infuriating. Social media is a giant toilet.


  28. - Sue - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 12:59 pm:

    RNUG- like you I skipped around between CNN- FOX and MSNBC to peruse the post verdict noise. For the life of me I don’t understand how Comcast permits much of what MSNBC allows on the air. Watching Joy Reid and some of her guests spew what can only be cast as vitriol makes me Pine for the news business of my childhood when we had 3 networks all staffed by truly professional news people. Although it might run afoul of the first Amendment it would be great to see the FTC reign in the cable news shows. When all you care about is getting clicks society suffers


  29. - Amalia - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 1:08 pm:

    jeez Dems of DuPage, that was awful. Take seriously the incident in Waukesha which was horrifying especially as there were lots of children who saw this incident and who were hurt in this incident. it’s thanksgiving, Hanukkah and christmas, not election season. anyone who really paid attention to the Rittenhouse trial would see that NG was a decision likely to be made by the jury. Wisconsin has different laws about carrying guns than Illinois so the perception here of many of my further left than me friends that this was aggression is off base. the state’s own witnesses at the start of the trial basically gave the self defense. and the prosecution made several errors which were unfair to the defendant.


  30. - Jackie-O - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 1:11 pm:

    I can understand nonsense like this being posted by someone in their teens or a young adult, but this lady is 46 years old and apparently a “Social Media Director”.

    According to the Daily Mail, after facing backlash, the staffer then posted tweets to somehow contort herself into an unfairly targeted victim: “She has since posted a further slew of tweets, writing: ‘Nobody cared about me like my whole life. My mom used to leave me for hours at a time alone in my play pen. ‘I’ve put out music for 20 years nobody gave a sh*t. Why do people all of a sudden care about a stupid remark? I can’t believe my 15 minutes of fame is for this sh*t.’”


  31. - ChrisB - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 1:12 pm:

    The only thing Twitter is good for is ragging on the Bears. Otherwise it’s a cesspool.


  32. - City Zen - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 1:18 pm:

    Luckily she believes in Karma.


  33. - Nagidam - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 1:31 pm:

    @JS Mill

    =It bothers me deeply that Rittenhouse killed two people with a gun a 17-year-old shouldn’t have had in a fight he shouldn’t have been anywhere near.=

    ===This is the whole enchilada for me. He broke more than a few laws just to get there, but the judge decided to drop those charges. I anticipate the DOJ taking a look at civil rights violations, but maybe they won’t.===

    The judge did not drop the charges. The prosecution did not bring up information to prove he did something illegal carrying this firearm…so then the charges were dropped. Blame the prosecution but the reality is he did not break the law and the Prosecution new it.


  34. - Kyle’s mom - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 1:48 pm:

    Sadly, our last president made this kind of behavior acceptable and even fashionable. I see stuff like this all the time on social media run by Republicans who are trying to make themselves out as a Trump clone. It’s disgusting there, and it’s disgusting to see it on a Democrat run page also. Are we ever going to stop this race to the bottom?


  35. - Been There - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 1:51 pm:

    I agree with Mark Brown (and Ducky). I don’t blame the jury or the judicial system for their verdict. The problem is Wisconsin law. If he had done this about 10 miles south of where he was my guess is he would be behind bars now. Maybe not for murder but at a minimum on a gun charge.


  36. - Amalia - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:01 pm:

    and now in light of who the evil driver in Wisconsin is, the staffer tweet sounds especially mean and ridiculous. fanning the flames of reaction.


  37. - Grandson of Man - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:06 pm:

    “white teen, illegally carrying and assault rifle a level of deference (yeah, they told him to get back) that a person of color would not have received”

    That’s it (not the straw man “verdict” argument). It’s that this white person was encouraged and thanked by police to walk around with an assault rifle amidst civil unrest, while Jacob Blake, the subject of that unrest, was shot multiple times for being suspected of having a weapon. What could go wrong there? Two deaths and a wounding, two more deaths than Jacob Blake caused.


  38. - Demoralized - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:10 pm:

    Kyle Rittenhouse should never have been in the situation he was in to begin with. That being said, Wisconsin law requires the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was not acting in what they believed to be self defense. I believe the jury followed Wisconsin law. I think it’s wrong for people to be able to insert themselves into a situation and then being able to claim self defense but I didn’t write the law.


  39. - SWIL_Voter - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:10 pm:

    This is cancel culture. We’re supposed to have free speech


  40. - SWIL_Voter - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:15 pm:

    == Luckily she believes in Karma==

    How do you think karma should repay her for the social media post you don’t like?


  41. - Brian - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:15 pm:

    –Jacob Blake, the subject of that unrest, was shot multiple times for being suspected of having a weapon–

    Jacob Blake did in fact have a weapon:
    https://apnews.com/article/us-news-us-department-of-justice-rusten-sheskey-jacob-blake-kenosha-4f8493dd0776ef6046e052a538cd1460


  42. - JS Mill - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:27 pm:

    =Blame the prosecution but the reality is he did not break the law and the Prosecution new it.=

    A 17 year old is not legally permitted to purchase, own, or carry an AR-15 in Wisconsin. The evidence on that issue is indisputable. The judge dropped the one charge that was most likely to garner a conviction according to every attorney that I have heard weigh in on the topic. The defendant’s counsel never disputed the facts that he was in possession of a weapon he was not legally entitled to have.

    Blame the judge and get your facts straight.


  43. - Grandson of Man - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:31 pm:

    “Jacob Blake did in fact have a weapon”

    He had a knife and caught multiple rounds for it, as did McDonald here in Illinois. Rittenhouse was allowed to walk freely with a bloody assault rifle.


  44. - fs - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 2:55 pm:

    == That will give Lemanski more time for comedy. Maybe she will work her way up to SNL like other Second City alums.==

    Maybe she should leave the comedy for people who are actually funny. Because she sure isn’t.


  45. - Chisox - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:04 pm:

    Grandson of Man- facts of Blake case are inaccurate. Blake had a knife in his hand and police were responding to call by childrens mom-Blake was told numerous. He was entering the car to drive off with her 3 children—this situations happen at rapid speed and yet you think it’s that straightforward


  46. - The Ford Lawyer - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:06 pm:

    –JS Mill- What statute are you reading? Because I am reading the one Rittenhouse was charged under, which is WS 948.60, which bans possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor. That statute applies to possession of a rifle or shotgun by a minor only if the rifle or shotgun does not comply with WS 941.28. That statute, in turn, bans short-barreled rifles or shotguns. There are other restrictions, not valid for this discussion, that pertain to hunting by persons 12 to 16 years old. The prosecutors admitted that the rifle did not have a short barrel, therefore, the judge had to dismiss the charge. Blame the judge all you want, but he followed the law. More to the point, there was utterly no excuse for what Ms. Lemanski posted; good on the Dupage Dems for letting her go. (Seems like one of those ‘I want your resignation on my desk by 5 p.m.’ kind of resignations.)


  47. - JS Mill - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:07 pm:

    =Maybe she should leave the comedy for people who are actually funny. Because she sure isn’t.=

    What is Mary Miller’s excuse?


  48. - Brian - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:08 pm:

    –A 17 year old is not legally permitted to purchase, own, or carry an AR-15 in Wisconsin–

    Incorrect, the WI law in question states that it applies only if the person is in violation of Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle staute, or two provisions that apply only to hunting scenarios.
    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c/
    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/941/iii/28


  49. - Ron Burgundy - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:10 pm:

    -This is cancel culture. We’re supposed to have free speech-

    We do. She’s free to believe and say it. And others are free not to associate with her anymore because of it.


  50. - John Lopez - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:15 pm:

    === The judge dropped the one charge that was most likely to garner a conviction according to every attorney that I have heard weigh in on the topic. The defendant’s counsel never disputed the facts that he was in possession of a weapon he was not legally entitled to have. ===

    No, the judge dismissed the misdemeanor gun charge because the law itself was written concerning “short-barrel” rifles, defined as a barrel of less than 16 inches long.

    Rittenhouse’s gun has a barrel longer than 16 inches, so no matter the age restriction, Rittenhouse’s gun was not subject to the gun law Kenosha County DA charged Rittenhouse in violation.

    The judge dismissed the charge knowing the law did not apply, and a conviction on the charge would have been instantly overturned on appeal.


  51. - fs - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:15 pm:

    == What is Mary Miller’s excuse?==

    No idea, why don’t you ask her? She’s a terrible human being as well. Here’s a fun fact: one side having a terrible human being in its ranks does not make it impossible for the other side to also have a terrible human being in its ranks. They’re both terrible.


  52. - dan l - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:24 pm:

    ——
    Another columnist who’s been level-headed on the Rittenhouse story is Eric Zorn. On 9/3/20, Zorn, after doing his due diligence, accurately came to the conclusion Rittenhouse would walk in a Chicago Tribune op-ed.
    ——

    I mean we all knew he’d likely walk, but Zorn isn’t really that ‘level headed’. You can remember him sort of cheerily telling us not to “lionize” a child who was murdered by a former military, Chicago cop in another “self-defense” moment that the right wing cheered - not unlike this one.


  53. - dan l - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:26 pm:

    —–
    Jacob Blake did in fact have a weapon:
    —–

    So that’s why they shot him in the back, right?


  54. - SWIL_Voter - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:32 pm:

    == She’s free to believe and say it. And others are free not to associate with her anymore because of it.==

    Right, that’s the joke. Cancel culture is fake


  55. - Rich Miller - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:46 pm:

    Seven times.


  56. - Original Anon - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:53 pm:

    Brown is right on. I took some time to watch clips and read summaries of the witness testimony. Most of the prosecution’s witnesses - including two alleged victims (Grosskruetz, McGinnis) - who provided testimony consistent with self-defense. Too many people were misled by early reporting in media and on twitter.


  57. - NorthsideNoMore - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:55 pm:

    SWIL @ 2:10pm
    You can have all the free speech you want, but those that employ you have a right to un-employee you when you use their platform to espouse your free speech that they find unpleasant etc. And I agree greatly twitter is a bad way to communicate with the. world when angery.


  58. - Original Anon - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 3:58 pm:

    The all-too common response to this verdict seems to be “I don’t know the details but I am angry with the clearly outrageous result.”


  59. - Levois J - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 4:07 pm:

    I think the DuPage Dems did the laudable thing to condemn behavior like this. And also note this was the action of a former member of their organization. At least with their credentials with S.C. at least they won’t have a comedy career to look forward to…


  60. - Flapdoodle - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 4:12 pm:

    The Lemanski tweets were despicable beyond words.

    As to the Rittenhouse case, it seems what you see depends on where you stand. That Rittenhouse was in a situation so far over his head is pretty clear, as is the permissiveness displayed by Kenosha police to a white man. But as Mark Brown’s explains, the law is also pretty clear. If some issues turned on specific details in WI state law (e.g., the weapons charge), the legal basics of self-defense law are pretty consistent across the country. People who want to believe the verdict would have been different elsewhere may be fooling themselves (other than on the weapons charge).


  61. - LakeCo - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 4:20 pm:

    =Rittenhouse’s gun has a barrel longer than 16 inches, so no matter the age restriction, Rittenhouse’s gun was not subject to the gun law Kenosha County DA charged Rittenhouse in violation.=

    Yeah, that’s a messed up law.


  62. - LakeCo - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 4:22 pm:

    Sue, curious to know your thoughts on Fox News. Do you think its content shouldn’t be allowed on the air, too, or do you just feel that way about content that doesn’t reinforce your personal beliefs?


  63. - Jack Kemp - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 4:48 pm:

    Imagine Tweeting this and thinking that you are on the right side of things. Strange times we live in.


  64. - JS Mill - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 7:17 pm:

    =They’re both terrible.=

    Without question, but you only seem to critique the left and not the right.


  65. - JS Mill - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 7:19 pm:

    =Rittenhouse’s gun has a barrel longer than 16 inches, so no matter the age restriction, Rittenhouse’s gun was not subject to the gun law Kenosha County DA charged Rittenhouse in violation.

    The judge dismissed the charge knowing the law did not apply, and a conviction on the charge would have been instantly overturned on appeal.=

    Umm, no.

    I will say this slowly. He was not legally entitled to purchase or possess that weapon, regardless of barrel length, in Wisconsin.


  66. - Papa2008 - Monday, Nov 22, 21 @ 8:28 pm:

    In all of these cases of people being shot there seems to be one common denominator: When the person with the gun said stop, the person who got shot didn’t. Maybe we just need to make sure our children learn the meaning of the word stop? We can debate the woulda shoulda couldas after the fact. But the people involved would still be alive.


  67. - The Other Rich Hill - Tuesday, Nov 23, 21 @ 7:33 am:

    Re the Figliuzzi/ Lemieux tweets…

    How hard would it be for Facebook, et al to (A) record the IP location of a poster or commenter and (B) add that location publicly to every post?

    Facebook already does it for ads and several “news” links that get posted there.

    Might be interesting to start seeing “This comment was posted from Russia” on 90% of supposedly conservative-leaning posts.


  68. - The Other Rich Hill - Tuesday, Nov 23, 21 @ 7:41 am:

    Papa2008 says “In all of these cases of people being shot there seems to be one common denominator: When the person with the gun said stop, the person who got shot didn’t.”

    Seriously? Have you not been paying attention?

    Your claim is simply not true in any way shape or form.

    There’s no woulda coulda about it.

    What was Breonna Taylor supposed to do? “Stop” sleeping? She was shot in her bed by the cops while sleeping during the cops no-knock warrant.

    How about Don Clark Sr.? Same thing. Was he supposed to “stop” sleeping while the cops executed a no-knock warrant?

    That’s kind of the point of a no-knock warrant. The cops don’t announce themselves and yell “Stop” before breaking your door down.

    That list of dead is far longer than it seems you may be able to imagine.


  69. - Soccermom - Tuesday, Nov 23, 21 @ 8:12 am:

    Christmas came early for the DuPage Republicans. Sigh.


  70. - MakeItMakeSense - Tuesday, Nov 23, 21 @ 8:42 am:

    ==It’s that a white person can walk freely with a deadly weapon==

    I guess you have not seen this video: https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1462898596509106180 “(Heavily) Armed Protesters from the New Black Panthers March outside of the Glynn County Courthouse where the Ahmaud Arbrey trial is ongoing.”

    Turn off Joy Reid. You’ll be a lot happier.


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