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Question of the day

Wednesday, Apr 29, 2020 - Posted by Rich Miller

* Clay County Circuit Court Judge Michael McHaney on Monday

Counsel, I couldn’t agree with you more that it’s no joke and, while we’re on that subject since you brought it up, at a recent press conference, this Governor was asked by a reporter what about easing restrictions in counties in Illinois that don’t have COVID or don’t need it, and his response was, wait for it, laughter. I agree. It ain’t funny.

His comment is getting some play on social media, but he didn’t quite explain the question Pritzker was asked.

* The question the governor laughed at

Many people in rural parts of the state want to quarantine Chicago and the suburbs and reopen parts of Downstate Illinois that aren’t seeing infection rates like the urban areas. Why has the state not done that?

The governor’s response

I, I’m, I’m not sure how to answer that except that this virus knows no boundaries, folks. No one is immune from this virus, no matter where you live and we are trying to take into account the differences between population density in one area of the state, versus another and you’re seeing that in the executive order, the modifications to the executive order that we put out today.

The audio


…Adding… Just for clarification, the question was read by Pritzker’s press secretary. The question was submitted online by Daily Herald reporter Jake Griffin.

* The Question: How would you have reacted? Make sure to explain your response. Thanks.

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Multiple disaster declarations are actually common - And a look at that appellate prosecutor’s memo

Monday, Apr 27, 2020 - Posted by Rich Miller

[I’m bumping this up from Sunday for visibility and opening comments ahead of today’s hearing.]

* Let’s circle back to Friday

State Rep. Darren Bailey filed a lawsuit today (April 23) against Governor J.B. Pritzker for a violation of civil rights.

“My lawsuit asks the court to find that Gov. Pritzker overextended his power by issuing additional ‘stay at home’ orders after his original disaster proclamation, which expired on April 9th, 2020,” said Bailey

State statute allows a governor to declare a disaster for 30 days. That is undisputed, even by Bailey. The law is silent, however, on whether the governor has the power to issue another declaration.

* It turns out, declaring more than one disaster is common practice. From May 8, 2019

Governor JB Pritzker has issued a state disaster proclamation for 34 counties along the Mississippi and Illinois rivers. The declaration will ensure state support to communities that are battling floods caused by weeks of elevated river levels and recent heavy rains.

From May 31, 2019

Governor JB Pritzker has issued a second state disaster proclamation for 34 counties along the Mississippi and Illinois rivers.

What Rep. Bailey is essentially saying here is that the governor has to either give up and not issue subsequent proclamations during massive flooding, or involve the General Assembly, which, theoretically, could be under water at the time (and actually is under that theoretical “water” right now).

* OK, let’s take a look at Section 7 of the statute

In the event of a disaster, as defined in Section 4, the Governor may, by proclamation declare that a disaster exists. Upon such proclamation, the Governor shall have and may exercise for a period not to exceed 30 days the following emergency powers

Again, the act is completely silent on what happens after 30 days. There is no specific prohibition against declaring another disaster.

And there are more than just hints in the full statute that the General Assembly actually intended to remain silent on this particular 30-day renewal point.

For example, Section 6 of the statute requires the GA or a bicameral committee to approve any “reciprocal mutual aid agreements or compacts with other states.”

And this is from Section 9

It is the intent of the Legislature and declared to be the policy of the State that funds to meet disasters shall always be available.

That’s basically a continuing appropriation.

The section goes on to say that if the governor determines that state and other resources are insufficient, he has to request an appropriation from the General Assembly. However, if the House Speaker and Senate President certify that the legislature is not in session

the Governor is authorized to carry out those decisions, by depositing transfers or loan proceeds into and making expenditures from the Disaster Response and Recovery Fund, until such time as a quorum of the General Assembly can convene in a regular or extraordinary session.

So, the General Assembly envisioned a limited role for itself in those two sections, but allowed the governor to act without it on funding and, it appears, deliberately avoided mentioning any sort of legislative role in carrying out or approving a second disaster declaration in the same statute.

You never know what a local county judge will do, particularly in Rep. Bailey’s part of the world, but that looks to me like a slam dunk.

* Let’s now move on to another point. From a press release

Rep. Bailey said a story which first appeared publicly on the Edgar County Watchdogs website, which offered up an internal memo of the State’s Attorney Appellate Prosecutor’ Office, indicates there are serious doubts inside that judicial agency as to the legality of Pritzker’s Executive Orders.

This judicial agency provides training and support for local state’s attorneys on “constitutional, statutory and case law issues. The internal memo, written by David J. Robinson, who holds the position of Chief Deputy Director of the State’s Attorney Appellate Prosecutor’s Office, states:

    “My research leaves me less than confident that a reviewing court will hold that the Governor has the authority close businesses, bar attendance at church services and assemblies in excess of ten citizens (particularly if they are assembling to redress grievances)”.

* Let’s look at that the memo. The Director of the Appellate Prosecutor’s Office, Patrick Delfino, tasked a member of his senior staff with this research

(Y)ou asked that I prepare a memorandum outlining potential arguments that may confront Illinois State’s Attorneys as part of future civil and criminal litigation with regard to the Governor’s Executive Orders in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Robinson was essentially gaming out what arguments could be coming at local state’s attorneys if local governments use civil or criminal penalties to shut down a business or church or whatever. His footnote says that this memo is “designed solely to assist you in informing and advising Illinois State’s Attorneys.” This happens a lot. You always want to figure out what the other side will do to you.

However, the administration has never said that it would definitely prosecute people. The governor himself has repeatedly said he’s asked state and local police to use persuasion, and if that doesn’t work then they should ask for involvement by local and/or state public health officials.

* Let’s go back to the statute

Sec. 7. Emergency Powers of the Governor. […]

(6) To recommend the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area within the State if the Governor deems this action necessary. […]

(8) To control ingress and egress to and from a disaster area, the movement of persons within the area, and the occupancy of premises therein.

Since the entire state is a disaster area, the statute gives him some pretty extraordinary powers.

* But are those powers constitutional? Not in some instances. From the Robinson memo

It also appears that the Governor is taking no position on the enforcement of his EO, except to say that it is up to local law enforcement, which is an indication that he is presuming it would be enforced in a constitutional way, if at all (”we are asking people to do the right thing”).

That is exactly right. Statutory law cannot exceed the Constitution and neither, obviously, can an EO.

* From the Robinson memo’s conclusion

Accordingly, given what the Governor has said publically, a reasonable view is that he has taken executive action to combat the COVID-19 pandemic by issuing EOs with the understanding that local officials will enforce those orders in compliance with the Illinois Constitution and the Constitution of the United States. [Emphasis in original.]

That’s basically the defense strategy. The EO is protected because the governor wants only constitutional enforcement, through civil or criminal means.

* So, if a cop walks into a church during a service with more than 10 people present and starts making mass arrests, that likely wouldn’t hold up in court. Instead, what the state has been trying to do is use the carrot of persuasion by explaining to pastors, business owners, etc. what could happen with mass gatherings, along with the threat of a local or state public health legal action to prosecute violations of the EO. From ILCS 2305/8.1

Whoever violates or refuses to obey any rule or regulation of the Department of Public Health shall be deemed guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

But it doesn’t appear that the state will use that statute in at least certain targeted cases. The state hasn’t, for instance, broken up any protests against the stay at home order, even though they may have been in violation of the EO’s crowd limits. It also hasn’t arrested any pastors or church-goers.

* The statute is clear that the Department of Public Health can order a closure

The Department may, however, order a person or a group of persons to be quarantined or isolated or may order a place to be closed and made off limits to the public on an immediate basis without prior consent or court order if, in the reasonable judgment of the Department, immediate action is required to protect the public from a dangerously contagious or infectious disease.

But there is almost immediate due process written into statute for those hit by a closure order

In the event of an immediate order issued without prior consent or court order, the Department shall, as soon as practical, within 48 hours after issuing the order, obtain the consent of the person or owner or file a petition requesting a court order authorizing the isolation or quarantine or closure. When exigent circumstances exist that cause the court system to be unavailable or that make it impossible to obtain consent or file a petition within 48 hours after issuance of an immediate order, the Department must obtain consent or file a petition requesting a court order as soon as reasonably possible.

And then it goes on to explain what is required to prevail in those court cases.

And, as the Robinson memo points out, the governor is not encouraging or carrying out unconstitutional arrests or civil penalties. There may be a standing issue here for Rep. Bailey.

…Adding… Sorry that I didn’t post this earlier…


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Reader comments closed for the weekend

Friday, Apr 24, 2020 - Posted by Rich Miller

* As usual, I’ll be covering the governor’s press conferences this weekend, but comments will remained closed until Monday. Take care and, please, be safe

Hey Bobby Marley
Sing something good to me
This world go crazy
It’s an emergency

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“I want the entire pool scrubbed, sterilized and disinfected!”

Friday, Apr 24, 2020 - Posted by Rich Miller

* CBS 2

Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said Thursday that using swimming pools during the coronavirus pandemic is not a good idea – with a gross-out reason as to why.

“IDPH does regulate pools, and if we want to get into the different microbes that exist within pools – different swimming pools – we can do that. But definitely, the practice of obviously being in a swimming pool, unfortunately, we do know that there is some fecal shedding of this coronavirus,” Ezike said, barely able to stop herself from laughing as she did so.

There are other reasons that swimming pools should not be opened for now, Ezike said.

“You would have locker rooms with which people would need to change, so you would have more people congregated in the same setting, so for a myriad of reasons, that wouldn’t be conducive to promoting social distancing and decreasing community spread,” Ezike said.

That last part turns out to be the most important (and it’s a critical reason not to allow public pool use right now) because the first part doesn’t quite match up to the CDC’s guidelines.

* Fecal shedding

The virus that causes COVID-19 has been found in the feces of some patients diagnosed with COVID-19. However, it is unclear whether the virus found in feces may be capable of causing COVID-19. There has not been any confirmed report of the virus spreading from feces to a person. Scientists also do not know how much risk there is that the virus could be spread from the feces of an infected person to another person. However, they think this risk is low based on data from previous outbreaks of diseases caused by related coronaviruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).

* Can the virus be spread in pools?

There is no evidence that the virus that causes COVID-19 can be spread to people through the water in pools, hot tubs, spas, or water play areas. Proper operation and maintenance (including disinfection with chlorine and bromine) of these facilities should inactivate the virus in the water.

While there is ongoing community spread of COVID-19 of the virus that causes COVID-19, it is important for individuals as well as owners and operators of these facilities to take steps to ensure health and safety:

    Everyone should follow local and state guidance that may determine when and how recreational water facilities may operate.

    Individuals should continue to protect themselves and others at recreational water venues both in and out of the water – for example, by practicing social distancing and good hand hygiene.

    In addition to ensuring water safety and quality, owners and operators of community pools, hot tubs, spas, and water play areas should follow the interim guidance for businesses and employers for cleaning and disinfecting their community facilities.

Headline explained here.

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