* Yesterday was Cyber Monday, when online sales really start to kick off during the holiday season…
Cyber Monday sales rose 14% this year compared to 2008 and consumers also bought nearly 30% more items per order versus last year, according to research firm Coremetrics.
Also, the firm said shoppers bought 10% more items per order online than they did in stores on Black Friday.
Gatehouse takes a look at estimated state sales tax revenue from online sales. It’s puny…
Estimated state sales tax collections on retail sales to households
* 2005 — $47 million
* 2006 — $57 million
* 2007 — $68 million
* 2008 — $73 million
* 2009 — $78 million
Illinois doesn’t automatically collect sales tax on online purchases. Hence, the low numbers.
* Rep. John Fritchey’s prodigious social media usage was profiled by Chicagoist this week. Fritchey adds his own two cents at his blog…
But the point that I tried to convey in the article is that I think the key to maximizing both the intention and the value of social media in the political arena is to use it to let the public see more of who you really are as opposed to simply repackaging the canned messaging that they get all too often from their elected officials.
I know elected officials with Facebook pages and Twitter accounts who likely couldn’t turn on their laptop if their lives depended on it; they have staffers handle everything. In my mind, that not only defeats the whole purpose, it actually sends just the opposite message from the one you want to convey.
He’s right. All of that is very important.
It’s also important that you not say something stupid online, like Jim Ryan’s campaign did the other day. As I told subscribers this morning, JRyan’s campaign found itself in hot water - again - with the Illinois State Rifle Association. From a Rifle Association press release…
The ISRA-PVF is today calling upon Illinois gubernatorial candidate Jim Ryan to retract claims that he received the group’s endorsement during his failed 2002 run for governor against Rod Blagojevich. Such misleading claims have surfaced on Ryan’s social networking internet sites in recent days. Additionally, individuals have made reports to the ISRA-PVF that Ryan campaign staffers have made similar endorsement claims when questioned about Ryan’s stands on issues important to law-abiding Illinois firearm owners.
The fact of the matter is, the ISRA-PVF declined to make an endorsement in the 2002 race for Illinois governor as neither the Republican candidate, Jim Ryan, nor his Democratic opponent, Rod Blagojevich, were deemed suitable for endorsement.
Ryan’s campaign then issued a kinda/sorta apology on its Facebook page…
Our campaign staffers in 2002 recalled working closely with ISRA on several issues and remembered being endorsed. If we erred in our recollection, we apologize. We have deep respect for gun owners in Illinois and for the ISRA. We look forward to working with them in the governor’s office, with or without an endorsement.
That would’ve been pretty easy to check. Sheesh.
* Speaking of ill-advised remarks, Greg Blankenship takes me to task for referring to Dennis Byrne as an ultra conservative today on the blog. He may be right about a possible mislabel, but his analysis is a bit off…
Maybe it’s just a knee jerk reaction to someone who disagrees with Miller. I guess disagreement means your some kind of extremist or something. I’ve asked in the comments section for a definition of an ultra-conservative is. Let’s see if I get answer.
As I noted in comments, I might define an ultra conservative as someone who labels suburban women voters as “out-of-touch suburban ditzes.” Just sayin, buddy. lol
* Tony Peraica is live-Tweeting the Cook County Board’s override vote of President Stroger’s veto of the partial sales tax rollback proposal. Have a look.
Here’s some other stuff on Twitter today…
* QuinnStories: Check out our first installment of Quinn Stories, a behind-the-scenes documentary on Governor Pat Quinn: http://ow.ly/Hvbt
* kmrasmussen: QuincyNews poll finds bad re-elect numbers for Rep. Phil Hare. 66% believe stimulus hasn’t helped western IL http://bit.ly/7jOwGz#twill
* And here’s today’s online video, from the Quinn campaign. It’s about the governor’s holiday card drive for the troops. Watch it…
What are you seeing out there on social media today?
* Related…
* Cop Blog, CTA Tracker Among Top Local Web Searches - Google Compiles Lists Of Unique Searches For Chicago, 30 Other Cities: The Chicago Police officers’ blog Second City Cop made the list with an assortment of transit, education and other local Web sites, is one of the most popular Google searches in the Chicago area this year.
* WUIS launches ‘alternative’ digital station: The station, called “Xponential Radio,” first arrived on the airwaves in mid-October and can be received using an HD radio or listening online at www.wuis.org, according to Bill Wheelhouse, WUIS general manager.
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:02 pm:
The last numbers I saw were that Illinois is losing about $1.1 billion a year from the sales tax loophole for online sales and mail order.
Moreover, Google recently opened offices here in Illinois, and while they’re eating the newspaper industry’s lunch, Google ad sales in Illinois are not taxed.
The failure to tax internet sales is putting main street businesses that provide good-paying jobs out-of-business.
- Will County Woman - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:12 pm:
I’ve said before that I think management of the 140 character social media is the next great revelation in political communication. Knowing when to rebut charges on blogs or tweets, knowing when to not give stories traction. A lot of the stuff that brought republicans down in 2006 started on blogs run by people in their basements willing to do research and publish stuff that newspapers wouldn’t for fear of lawsuits and other things. Knowing who actually reads tweets and whether it’s better to do that than facebook, than a press release than a leak, than something else is making it a much more interesting p.r. war game.
I disagree with Mr.Fritchey. At the lower levels of politics perhaps its ok for people to stream of consciousness tweet, but if you are at a higher level, I think it needs to be more tactical as part of the overall campaign/office messaging and political plan. The last thing you want is a politician at the end of the day, pissed off, seeing something and then tweeting something that could be hit in an ad. My friend Mr. Kirk saw this last summer from tweeting in the pentagon.
Greg B: I’ve asked in the comments section for a definition of an ultra-conservative is. Let’s see if I get answer.
If Greg’s issuing challenges now, I’d renew my invitation of a few weeks back to detail how, specifically, since he seems so rabidly against raising taxes, he would prefer to cut $13 billion from the budget next year.
Like the man said, let’s see if I get an answer. Other than crickets.
Mr. Blankenship commits a number of argumentation errors including the error of innumeracy. Just because 48% of the country agree on a position does not make them agree on everything.
Added, why so sensitive about being called an ultra-conservative? Do conservatives have a problem with that?
Peraica’s Twitter says the veto override was successful.
- Judgment Day Is On The Way - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:38 pm:
Originally posted by YDD:
“The last numbers I saw were that Illinois is losing about $1.1 billion a year from the sales tax loophole for online sales and mail order.”
YDD, that’s only part of the story. This part is more anecdotal, because it probably could contradict some of the “loss”.
Happened to attend a small gathering of antique dealers from a number of IL river towns within the last few weeks. Virtually all of the businesses (all “Main Street” businesses, btw) have websites, and now many of them have on-line stores. And the few who don’t are going there quickly. These folks are making more money through their on-line stores than from walk-in traffic. And a substantial portion of their business comes from out of state.
Now, are most of them collecting taxes on those out of state purchases. Probably not. OTOH, those on-line sales are certainly enabling some of those Main Street businesses to stay in business. And we’re just talking one tiny, tiny part of the overall marketplace.
Taxing Internet sales isn’t as easy as all the folks think, and there’s going to be lots & lots of unintended consequences (probably not all good), especially for Main Street.
john fritchey is exactly right. it’s pretty obvious to most social media users which accounts are run by staffers using recycled, tired campaign buzz words. and those are the accounts that are promptly ignored.
All I know is that Fritchey’s presence on Facebook/Twitter has revealed to me his love of old school rap. Consequently, regardless of how much I disagree with him on a position, I will always like the guy.
The right wing has systematically tried (often successfully) to redefine the political landscape over the past few decades so that what was formerly “liberal” is now “socialist”, what was “moderate” is now “left wing”, what was “conservative” is now “moderate” and what was “ultraconservative” is now “conservative.” Any European looking at our political landscape thinks we’re nuts in our use of these terms. For example, the Tory Party of Margaret Thatcher would have had no problem with the Clinton health plan, yet the current Republican lexicon is to call the more modest Obama plan “socialist.”
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 2:15 pm:
Just the facts:
No offense to my friends at the Illinois Dept. of Revenue, but their study is full of holes:
1. They estimate the sales tax rate in Illinois at 5%. True, that’s the portion collected by the state. But substantial sums go to local public coffers, lost revenue that is offset either by cuts in services or increases in other taxes or both.
2. Their study assumes that the online spending by Illinois consumers is proportional to their gross consumer spending nationally. Poppycock. If you don’t think that more affluent suburban folks and folks with relatively high local sales tax rates — for example, cook county residents — spend a greater proportion online, you’re deluded.
3. Their study only looks at online shopping, but ignores the much larger and more lucrative mail-order business.
Judgment Day:
No offense meant to your antique dealers, but I’m guessing their sales are a fraction of what Amazon, iTunes, eBay and others avoid in paying taxes.
YDD - I don’t think I’m deluded (of course if I am I, by definition I wouldn’t know it), but I think your number is a bit high, even adding in untaxed mail order sales.
To get to a tax loss of 1.1 billion from online and mail order sales would take, according to my back of the envelope calculations about 17.6 billion in untaxed sales (6.25% state sales tax rate - 5% to the state and 1.25% to the locals)
No locally imposed sales taxes apply to sales by out of state sellers. So that’s over $1400 per person in untaxed internet and mail order sales per Illinois - assuming an Illinois population of 12,419,000 (that’s what I got when I googled IL population).
Even if you assumed in coming up with the 1.1 billion number that all untaxed purchases would have otherwise been made from main street retailers and, therefore, locally imposed sales taxes would have applied to the transactions and assume an average state-wide sales tax rate of 8% to capture the locally-imposed taxes, that would still require 13,750,000,000 in untaxed sales - over $1100 per Illinois resident in untaxed purchases per year.
That still sounds a bit high to me.
As to your comment to Judgment Day - There is no sales tax imposed on iTunes music downloads because Illinois only taxes sales of tangible property, with the exception of downloads of computer software. (same result I suspect for downloads of ebooks from Amazon.)
If these internet and mail order sales are ever to be taxed, Congress needs to adopt legislation that grants states the authority to require the out of state internet and catalog sellers without a physical location in the state to collect the tax. Otherwise, the commerce clause keeps the states from requiring tax to be collected by the sellers.
Lefty, lefty: I’m just asking for a definition is all. I would like to measure it against various positions using public policy polling. What’s wrong with that?
And I don’t make any errors, I ask if being for/or against gitmo is a criteria to be an ultra-conservative and point out that it’s 50-50 issue.
And Rich, I’m not taking you to task, yet? I just want a definition as I offered on ditz’s.
Greg, you can’t choose one issue that Byrne doesn’t even agree with and then claim that could be a definition of ultra-conservative. That’s patently illogical.
Rich, I use it as an example because that was what his piece was about. I’m leaving it to you come up with the issues that define ultra-conservative.
I’m just an innocent baby duck with an inquiring mind asking a simple question… What could possibly be wrong with that? :)
- CircularFiringSquad - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 4:03 pm:
Wow this is fascinating stuff….just call Byrne a wing nut…he knew a lot about transporation, but is generally clueless on other stuff. In meantime WhackyJack McCain is getting bashed nationally for his flip flop on medicare cuts.
Looks like another bad day for Commando Kirk. His big hero gets knock all over the block.
Perhaps the Commando can next turn to the lightly guard ComEd nuclear garbabe dump at Zion to showcase his problem solving skills.
That’s great. We should get Dennis to offer a definition of ultraliberal, as well. That’s fair. Now, what’s your definition of ultra-conservative?
Ultra means extreme, no? What’s extreme? When 10% supports/opposes? 20%, 30%? What’s the number? And what are the issues in which Dennis falls outside the number you choose? Maybe it’s Dennis’ tactics? Has he broken the law in pursuit of his issues? He calls ACORN ultraliberal and some of their actions have been legally questionable to the point where their offices were raided by prosecutors. Is that the measure?
And I put your acumen, credibility and stature far above those of some mere LTE author lobbing an ad hominem.
Specifically on Thompson, just about every rational thinking person is jumping against Kirk (and his new found conservatism) and the like who are using the prison solely as a political issue and failing to even support their position with evidence. The SunTimes and Tribune have both called out the Kirk/Byrne crying that all of sudden, there will be terrorists living next door to you. Both newspapers have called out unfounded fear mongering (Cheney is looking for a comeback) that unfortunately still drives uniformed voters. There was an article in the Trib (you know that commie rag, right?) last week about how a 1000 terrorist suspects are being imprisoned a few hundred miles from Denver for the past few years, how the residents haven’t noticed their daily lives changing, how it’s a complete nonissue for them, how their safety hasn’t been affected.
Of course, Rich, conservatives like to win period. If they have to lie and cheat and scream that Illinois will be “Ground Zero” for jihad against Americans, they’ll do it. The ends justify the means. Of course, people like Kirk/Byrne/Greg haven’t noticed that we’ve held both domestic (McVeigh) and foreign terrorists in this country for decades without incident.
What is the justification for a sales tax on internet-based businesses that have no location within Illinois? What sort of public services (fire, police, etc) are tied to, say, an operation in Oregon or Florida? Put simply, what business do the grubby fingers of Illinois/Cook Co/Chicago have in taxing a transaction for a business from another state?
Just because a transaction occurs and it is an untapped source of revenue is not a justification for taxation.
When it comes to definitions, there’s a handy reference called a dictionary. I’d encourage everyone to use it.
The word “conservative,” in our current political dialogue, has been perverted beyond recognition. It’s true definition calls for sobriety and restraint. Not a lot of that happening on Rush and Hannity.
In politics, it’s been hijacked by cable and talk radio Elmer Gantrys making a buck by telling the nebbies of the world that they’re victims of ACORN and Obama.
These are the same folks who claimed McCain wasn’t a “real” conservative.
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:02 pm:
The last numbers I saw were that Illinois is losing about $1.1 billion a year from the sales tax loophole for online sales and mail order.
Moreover, Google recently opened offices here in Illinois, and while they’re eating the newspaper industry’s lunch, Google ad sales in Illinois are not taxed.
The failure to tax internet sales is putting main street businesses that provide good-paying jobs out-of-business.
- Will County Woman - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:12 pm:
GregHinz: Horse tracks offer to “rescue” failing video poker plan. http://tinyurl.com/ycobbo9
The video poker idea was a bust from the start and should have been left alone.
- shore - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:18 pm:
I’ve said before that I think management of the 140 character social media is the next great revelation in political communication. Knowing when to rebut charges on blogs or tweets, knowing when to not give stories traction. A lot of the stuff that brought republicans down in 2006 started on blogs run by people in their basements willing to do research and publish stuff that newspapers wouldn’t for fear of lawsuits and other things. Knowing who actually reads tweets and whether it’s better to do that than facebook, than a press release than a leak, than something else is making it a much more interesting p.r. war game.
I disagree with Mr.Fritchey. At the lower levels of politics perhaps its ok for people to stream of consciousness tweet, but if you are at a higher level, I think it needs to be more tactical as part of the overall campaign/office messaging and political plan. The last thing you want is a politician at the end of the day, pissed off, seeing something and then tweeting something that could be hit in an ad. My friend Mr. Kirk saw this last summer from tweeting in the pentagon.
- Just the Facts - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:26 pm:
YDD - 1.1 billion is a bit high. Earlier this year the Department of Revenue estimatedthe loss at 153 million: http://www.revenue.state.il.us/AboutIdor/PressReleases/PR-02-16-2009.pdf
- Reality Check - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:29 pm:
Greg B: I’ve asked in the comments section for a definition of an ultra-conservative is. Let’s see if I get answer.
If Greg’s issuing challenges now, I’d renew my invitation of a few weeks back to detail how, specifically, since he seems so rabidly against raising taxes, he would prefer to cut $13 billion from the budget next year.
Like the man said, let’s see if I get an answer. Other than crickets.
- Lefty Lefty - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:32 pm:
Mr. Blankenship commits a number of argumentation errors including the error of innumeracy. Just because 48% of the country agree on a position does not make them agree on everything.
Added, why so sensitive about being called an ultra-conservative? Do conservatives have a problem with that?
- KeepSmiling - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:35 pm:
Peraica’s Twitter says the veto override was successful.
- Judgment Day Is On The Way - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:38 pm:
Originally posted by YDD:
“The last numbers I saw were that Illinois is losing about $1.1 billion a year from the sales tax loophole for online sales and mail order.”
YDD, that’s only part of the story. This part is more anecdotal, because it probably could contradict some of the “loss”.
Happened to attend a small gathering of antique dealers from a number of IL river towns within the last few weeks. Virtually all of the businesses (all “Main Street” businesses, btw) have websites, and now many of them have on-line stores. And the few who don’t are going there quickly. These folks are making more money through their on-line stores than from walk-in traffic. And a substantial portion of their business comes from out of state.
Now, are most of them collecting taxes on those out of state purchases. Probably not. OTOH, those on-line sales are certainly enabling some of those Main Street businesses to stay in business. And we’re just talking one tiny, tiny part of the overall marketplace.
Taxing Internet sales isn’t as easy as all the folks think, and there’s going to be lots & lots of unintended consequences (probably not all good), especially for Main Street.
Just saying…
- Indy - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:39 pm:
john fritchey is exactly right. it’s pretty obvious to most social media users which accounts are run by staffers using recycled, tired campaign buzz words. and those are the accounts that are promptly ignored.
- Montrose - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:46 pm:
All I know is that Fritchey’s presence on Facebook/Twitter has revealed to me his love of old school rap. Consequently, regardless of how much I disagree with him on a position, I will always like the guy.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 1:54 pm:
The right wing has systematically tried (often successfully) to redefine the political landscape over the past few decades so that what was formerly “liberal” is now “socialist”, what was “moderate” is now “left wing”, what was “conservative” is now “moderate” and what was “ultraconservative” is now “conservative.” Any European looking at our political landscape thinks we’re nuts in our use of these terms. For example, the Tory Party of Margaret Thatcher would have had no problem with the Clinton health plan, yet the current Republican lexicon is to call the more modest Obama plan “socialist.”
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 2:15 pm:
Just the facts:
No offense to my friends at the Illinois Dept. of Revenue, but their study is full of holes:
1. They estimate the sales tax rate in Illinois at 5%. True, that’s the portion collected by the state. But substantial sums go to local public coffers, lost revenue that is offset either by cuts in services or increases in other taxes or both.
2. Their study assumes that the online spending by Illinois consumers is proportional to their gross consumer spending nationally. Poppycock. If you don’t think that more affluent suburban folks and folks with relatively high local sales tax rates — for example, cook county residents — spend a greater proportion online, you’re deluded.
3. Their study only looks at online shopping, but ignores the much larger and more lucrative mail-order business.
Judgment Day:
No offense meant to your antique dealers, but I’m guessing their sales are a fraction of what Amazon, iTunes, eBay and others avoid in paying taxes.
- Just the Facts - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 3:21 pm:
YDD - I don’t think I’m deluded (of course if I am I, by definition I wouldn’t know it), but I think your number is a bit high, even adding in untaxed mail order sales.
To get to a tax loss of 1.1 billion from online and mail order sales would take, according to my back of the envelope calculations about 17.6 billion in untaxed sales (6.25% state sales tax rate - 5% to the state and 1.25% to the locals)
No locally imposed sales taxes apply to sales by out of state sellers. So that’s over $1400 per person in untaxed internet and mail order sales per Illinois - assuming an Illinois population of 12,419,000 (that’s what I got when I googled IL population).
Even if you assumed in coming up with the 1.1 billion number that all untaxed purchases would have otherwise been made from main street retailers and, therefore, locally imposed sales taxes would have applied to the transactions and assume an average state-wide sales tax rate of 8% to capture the locally-imposed taxes, that would still require 13,750,000,000 in untaxed sales - over $1100 per Illinois resident in untaxed purchases per year.
That still sounds a bit high to me.
As to your comment to Judgment Day - There is no sales tax imposed on iTunes music downloads because Illinois only taxes sales of tangible property, with the exception of downloads of computer software. (same result I suspect for downloads of ebooks from Amazon.)
If these internet and mail order sales are ever to be taxed, Congress needs to adopt legislation that grants states the authority to require the out of state internet and catalog sellers without a physical location in the state to collect the tax. Otherwise, the commerce clause keeps the states from requiring tax to be collected by the sellers.
- Greg B. - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 3:29 pm:
Lefty, lefty: I’m just asking for a definition is all. I would like to measure it against various positions using public policy polling. What’s wrong with that?
And I don’t make any errors, I ask if being for/or against gitmo is a criteria to be an ultra-conservative and point out that it’s 50-50 issue.
And Rich, I’m not taking you to task, yet? I just want a definition as I offered on ditz’s.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 3:32 pm:
Greg, you can’t choose one issue that Byrne doesn’t even agree with and then claim that could be a definition of ultra-conservative. That’s patently illogical.
- Greg B. - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 3:44 pm:
Rich, I use it as an example because that was what his piece was about. I’m leaving it to you come up with the issues that define ultra-conservative.
I’m just an innocent baby duck with an inquiring mind asking a simple question… What could possibly be wrong with that? :)
- CircularFiringSquad - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 4:03 pm:
Wow this is fascinating stuff….just call Byrne a wing nut…he knew a lot about transporation, but is generally clueless on other stuff. In meantime WhackyJack McCain is getting bashed nationally for his flip flop on medicare cuts.
Looks like another bad day for Commando Kirk. His big hero gets knock all over the block.
Perhaps the Commando can next turn to the lightly guard ComEd nuclear garbabe dump at Zion to showcase his problem solving skills.
- reformer - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 4:56 pm:
Lefty, Lefty: When was the last time the term ultra-liberal was applied to anyone? If ulta-conservatives exist, then certainly ultra-libs do too.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 4:59 pm:
===When was the last time the term ultra-liberal was applied to anyone? ===
Click here
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 5:03 pm:
Also, a quick Google search showed Byrne referencing “ultra liberals” here.
- Greg B. - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 6:00 pm:
:-) Touche
That’s great. We should get Dennis to offer a definition of ultraliberal, as well. That’s fair. Now, what’s your definition of ultra-conservative?
Ultra means extreme, no? What’s extreme? When 10% supports/opposes? 20%, 30%? What’s the number? And what are the issues in which Dennis falls outside the number you choose? Maybe it’s Dennis’ tactics? Has he broken the law in pursuit of his issues? He calls ACORN ultraliberal and some of their actions have been legally questionable to the point where their offices were raided by prosecutors. Is that the measure?
And I put your acumen, credibility and stature far above those of some mere LTE author lobbing an ad hominem.
- Dan - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 6:34 pm:
Specifically on Thompson, just about every rational thinking person is jumping against Kirk (and his new found conservatism) and the like who are using the prison solely as a political issue and failing to even support their position with evidence. The SunTimes and Tribune have both called out the Kirk/Byrne crying that all of sudden, there will be terrorists living next door to you. Both newspapers have called out unfounded fear mongering (Cheney is looking for a comeback) that unfortunately still drives uniformed voters. There was an article in the Trib (you know that commie rag, right?) last week about how a 1000 terrorist suspects are being imprisoned a few hundred miles from Denver for the past few years, how the residents haven’t noticed their daily lives changing, how it’s a complete nonissue for them, how their safety hasn’t been affected.
Of course, Rich, conservatives like to win period. If they have to lie and cheat and scream that Illinois will be “Ground Zero” for jihad against Americans, they’ll do it. The ends justify the means. Of course, people like Kirk/Byrne/Greg haven’t noticed that we’ve held both domestic (McVeigh) and foreign terrorists in this country for decades without incident.
- Anon - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 6:41 pm:
What is the justification for a sales tax on internet-based businesses that have no location within Illinois? What sort of public services (fire, police, etc) are tied to, say, an operation in Oregon or Florida? Put simply, what business do the grubby fingers of Illinois/Cook Co/Chicago have in taxing a transaction for a business from another state?
Just because a transaction occurs and it is an untapped source of revenue is not a justification for taxation.
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, Dec 1, 09 @ 9:20 pm:
Geez Rich, you had to dig in the archives all the way back to September 2009 for that old quote. C’mon.
Oh, and I meant to say this earlier in re Lefty Lefty’s question:
===Do conservatives have a problem with that?===
Problem? I thought it was a contest, with Kirk going for the gold medal in the “best new album” category.
Dennis Byrne kills me. “Get off my lawn!”
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Dec 2, 09 @ 7:56 am:
When it comes to definitions, there’s a handy reference called a dictionary. I’d encourage everyone to use it.
The word “conservative,” in our current political dialogue, has been perverted beyond recognition. It’s true definition calls for sobriety and restraint. Not a lot of that happening on Rush and Hannity.
In politics, it’s been hijacked by cable and talk radio Elmer Gantrys making a buck by telling the nebbies of the world that they’re victims of ACORN and Obama.
These are the same folks who claimed McCain wasn’t a “real” conservative.