85 Comments - Knome Sane - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 4:18 pm: I thought “None of the Above” won the debate. Sorry Rich, I couldn’t help myself. - Anon - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 4:32 pm: Here’s the info on where to watch. I guess direct tv people are sol — like me! http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=9447311 - lake county democrat - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 4:45 pm: And miss Big Bang Theory? - Mittuns - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 4:58 pm: An oligarch, a puppy killer, a girthy Jim Edgar, and the scoutmaster walk into an auditorium… - Commonsense in Illinois - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 5:04 pm: Ah Dad, do I gotta? - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 5:07 pm: (Ordering Chinese, debating adult beverage talking point consumption…) - 47th Ward - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 5:19 pm: Every time Dillard says “El-annoy,” drink. Every time Rauner says “career politicians,” drink. Every time Brady says “Pat Quinn,” drink. Every time Rutherford says “allegations,” drink. Just to be on the safe side, call in sick tomorrow so you can sleep it off. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 5:23 pm: - 47th Ward -, I guess treat tonight as a “Friday”? If Bruce Rauner mentions “Slip and Sue” got to do a “double”, no chaser… - Norseman - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 5:24 pm: 47, glad you didn’t use “union” as the trigger for the Baron. A lot of people would be hammered by the. 2nd question. - Rahm's Middle Finger - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 6:01 pm: Christian Mitchell vs Dave McSweeney on Chicago Tonight debating tax fairness. Now that’s must see TV! - poolGuy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 6:06 pm: 47th that sounds like a drinking the wall at O’Malley’s kind of challenge - Just The Way It Is One - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 6:27 pm: Thanks for airing it, as so often done by CAP FAX. It surely is NOT ever taken for granted by this humble Commenter. And I don’t know just why, but somethin’ tells me there’s goin’ to be something DIFFerent, a real “Gotcha on THAT one, Buddy,” or “WOW” Moment in this particular Debate…and likely because a couple of these fellas in particular know that the clock is startin’ to tick REAL fast now to the big day, and when you’re at least a couple to a few runs down in say, oh, the Bottom of the 7th or Top of the 8th, you simply just MUST find a way to “score” some Runs to get back INto it/make it real close/even TIE it somehow…if you can, so you really have to go for broke and bring your “A Game” to the Field, or later, looking back honestly in Defeat, you’ll think that ultimately you really have no one else but yourSELF to blame for falling short… - Samurai - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 6:46 pm: The Tale of Two Campaigns The Rutherford campaign… TAWS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pKG3DhjPQw OW–Not enough in the bottle. I am going with Career Politicians and/or Government Union Bosses for Jack. The Rauner Campaign… Through the prism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpbbuaIA3Ds - Samurai - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 6:54 pm: Sorry, that was 47ths aggressive drinking agenda. - centralil - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:07 pm: Per the Twitters, there’s a demo targeting Rauner on the street: @CitizenActionIL: Seniors outside the gov debate have a message for Rauner #twill http://t.co/Z3cMvxESFw - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:08 pm: Dillard comes out swinging, Rauner stumbles but recovers, Rutherford tries to get train on the rails, Brady keeps it personal…opening salvos - IbendahlLuvsJBT - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:12 pm: Drink! - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:13 pm: Charles Thomas rocks! Calling them all out, good stuff. - poolGuy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:13 pm: all of them want to cut the tax back but won’t say what they will cut. jeesh - DuPage Bard - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:13 pm: So Rauner is going to use local political insiders on his task force to cut government? - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:18 pm: Education talking points abound… nothing new from the four. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:20 pm: ===So Rauner is going to use local political insiders on his task force to cut government?=== Rauner’s phoniness has no bounds; shake up with insiders, no leadership without committee? Talking points, but all four are staying on script. - centralil - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:21 pm: @progressIL: “Rauner, Rauner. He’s no good” chant a group of retirees outside ABC 7 studios ahead of gubernatorial debate http://t.co/TM6OtLsTX7 - IbendahlLuvsJBT - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:21 pm: “We should look at”. Yes. Let’s look at stuff. Lotta looking going in. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:27 pm: “SSM” - no blood, no moving anything either way. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:32 pm: Man, I love me some Charles Thomas. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:34 pm: If Charles Thomas had the “Roundtable” style discussion debate, I would be all over it. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:35 pm: Dillard didn’t hold anything back there. More please. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:35 pm: Rauner hammered, Dillard hammered by others, Rutherford passes on negative, Rauner just goes on script, even trying to ignore question. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:36 pm: Pressure cooker being put to the 4, answer or get called on it. Love the “Follow up” allowance and questioning responses. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:38 pm: Brady making the case of understanding government. Yes, more please. Hitting soft spot there on Rauner. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:40 pm: Stop “Fundamentally” as talking adjective. Not everything is “fundamentally”… - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:42 pm: Latino community votes? Actually very good question. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:43 pm: Is lower income communities synonymous with Latino community? Rauner made it seem as though… - Samurai - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:44 pm: Good grief, Rauner passed on throwing out his running mate on the Latino question. What’s that all about. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:44 pm: “Their” - Dillard goes that route? Words mean things … - 47th Ward - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:46 pm: Strategic deployment of Mrs. Rauner. She’s the compassion, he’s the conservative I guess. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:46 pm: Rauner can not …NOT… Roll out Evelyn. He knows it, she didn’t even face kids wanting for LG discussion. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:47 pm: Ron Magers asked the logical question on 2-Party governing… Great questions. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:49 pm: Are you in the studio Willy? You’re getting the questions way ahead of me. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:50 pm: Rutherford passes test on question showing governing understanding, Brady goes to working the legislative avenues bi-partisanly…Dillard goes 1990s - “Edgar-ing”… - Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:51 pm: I’m in a school gym with bad signal. Killing me right now. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:52 pm: Excited. Honored. Mitch Daniels. = “Rauner-ing” Yikes! All talking points hit, lack if governing in the points… - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:52 pm: Brady goes “Detroit” … - Samurai - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:52 pm: Rauner did not learn to speak to the camera–the viewers– - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:54 pm: “Chicago”…Dillard only one to connect Rahm and Rauner. Not many chances to do that. Dillard tried. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:55 pm: Brady - B in the close… - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:55 pm: Rutherford mentions Kim, talks to voters, closes and asks - B - RNUG - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:56 pm: Rauner is nothing but talking points, even when called on not answering the questions. Rutherford had a decent game tonight; too bad he isn’t int he running any more. Between Dilalrd and Brady, Dillard sounded the more reasonable of the two. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:57 pm: Rauner - talking points abound, like buzz words in a time limit. No mention of “Slip and Sue” - asks for vote, B- - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:58 pm: Dillard goes no learning on the job,Jil Tracy, capitol of Midwest. B- - Jorge - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:59 pm: If Rauner wants all of that success for Illinois, why doesn’t he just pay for it himself? - Samurai - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 7:59 pm: Evelyn and Maria MIA - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:00 pm: No “winner”, but more importantly, no real “Loser”, good for Rauner, another hurdle… hurdled. More Charles Thomas please… No movement for any, especially backwards. All safely get through it. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:01 pm: If Rauner is really this excited about everything, maybe he should be drug tested. - Anonymous - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:02 pm: There’s a reason they are “talking points”: because they’re points that resonate. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:05 pm: Running for governor in a debate is about a conversation to get votes, talking points are for ads… - zatoichi - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:05 pm: Rauner have bet going on how many times he can slip ‘fundamental’ into his talking points or is that word jockeying for a new drinking game? - Casual observer - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:07 pm: All I heard was Rauner say “eliminate CMS”. I’m no Rauner fan but if that’s what he means by shaking up government in Springfield, that’ll do it. - IbendahlLuvsJBT - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:07 pm: Rutherford looked comfortable and in control. The others were too scripted and choppy. Too bad Rutherford is toast. - RNUG - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:09 pm: Baron von Rauner started to show his true opinion during the Latino discussion, the reference “low income …” slipped out and he immediately tried to correct it. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:09 pm: Where did Rauner get that $6 million figure? Is that what they’re telling him? - RNUG - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:12 pm: While there is no doubt waste in CMS, there ain’t nowhere near the amount of money Rauner alleges in the CMS budget. And a lot of what is there is money that would have to be spent anyway on the personnel, insurance and property management activities whether CMS existed or not. - RNUG - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:13 pm: Good thing “shake up Springfield” wasn’t a drinking phrase … none of us would be able to get up in the morning/ - Casual observer - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:14 pm: Agreed RNUG, but just like Blago, he wants to decide who gets the contracts. Business as usual. - PoolGuy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:18 pm: love the Scott Walker slam Dillard got in on Rauner. Walker is a career politician. zing! - Jorge - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:18 pm: I wonder if Rauner knows that Mitch Daniels raised taxes. - IbendahlLuvsJBT - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:18 pm: RNUG, I caught that. Everyone caught that low-income gaffe. Everyone heard Dillard’s repeated use of “they, them, their” as well. Everyone also heard Brady’s repeated use of “Latino community”. The only one speaking comfortably and authentically about Latinos was the one guy who hasn’t a chance to win. Shame. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:26 pm: The “Latino” answers, or lack of tact or understanding by Rauner and Dillard was tough. Rauner ignoring Sanguietti even more glaring. Very disappointed on the verbiage. - Samurai - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:30 pm: Off Topic. Is this a new Baron von Carhartt ad? http://careerfellas.com/?utm_term=RaunerGov&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Search&utm_campaign=Bruce%252Rauner - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:36 pm: Yikes! Hope that doesn’t make someone “Spider”, - Samurai - - Samurai - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 8:43 pm: Yup. Can appreciate good campaigning even when used against the team. - Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 9:35 pm: RNUG, exactly in re CMS. Do away with it, fine. The personnel, healthcare, IT, property, etc. costs are not going anywhere. Further, GRF is a minuscule fraction of the CMS budget-it’s mostly comprised of revolving funds to collect agencies’ share of CMS’ various activities. - DuPage - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 9:53 pm: Nothing new, same impossible promises. Rutherford was the only one that admitted they might need the income tax to stay the same. Too bad he is out of the race, but does not realize it yet. - Chicago Cynic - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 10:16 pm: I missed it. Anyone know where I can see a rebroadcast. - wordslinger - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 10:29 pm: –“Pat Quinn has been a massive failure on crime in Illinois. Crime under Pat Quinn has skyrocketed throughout Illinois — not just Chicago, but in Rockford and many other communities, and we’ve got to take action with restoring our budgets to balance so we properly staff and train our police departments.”– Quite a strong and unambiguous statement by Rauner. It must be true. No would say something so reckless if it was not true. Maybe he can give us a peek on those skyrocketing state crime figures he’s referring to. And, of course, he must have a plan “to take action with restoring our budgets to balance so we properly staff and train our police departments.” Whatever that’s supposed to mean. - Charlie Wheeler - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 11:39 pm: Point of Information: Information compiled for the annual Uniform Crime Reports would seem to indicate that the actual rate of index offenses– both violent and property– has declined from 2009 to 2012, the last year for which ISP/FBI data is available. Illinois Crime Rate per 100,000, year 2009 Violent– 509.5 Property– 3,299.8 SOURCE: Crime in Illinois 2009 Annual Uniform Crime Report http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/cii2009.cfm Illinois Crime Rate per 100,000, year 2012 Violent– 414.8 Property– 2,578.7 SOURCE: Crime in the United States by State, 2012 http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/5tabledatadecpdf - Timmeh - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 11:52 pm: Very nice Charlie. Thanks. - Charlie Wheeler - Thursday, Feb 27, 14 @ 11:59 pm: CORRECTION: The Illinois rate for property crimes in 2009 was 2,790.3, not the 3,299.8 figure cited in the original post. My apologies to all… haste makes mistakes! - Norseman - Friday, Feb 28, 14 @ 12:07 am: Charlie, you should know that facts have no place in political campaigns. - wordslinger - Friday, Feb 28, 14 @ 12:10 am: Thanks, Charlie, I was digging around myself. Rauner must have meant some other kind of “skyrocketed.” - Percival - Friday, Feb 28, 14 @ 12:18 am: Rauner is so wedded to repeating short message sound bites that I sometimes feel like he is selling a used car: “Low mileage - handles well - new tires - leather interior - great lines.” - very interesting - Friday, Feb 28, 14 @ 12:54 am: How can Baron von Carhart Rauner “work” with legislators when he called many of them “corrupt”? - Norseman - Friday, Feb 28, 14 @ 9:44 am: === How can Baron von Carhart Rauner “work” with legislators when he called many of them “corrupt”? === See the Blago textbook on governing. - Political Neophyte - Friday, Feb 28, 14 @ 10:10 am: Who “won?” Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.