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Get over yourselves
Friday, Oct 3, 2014 - Posted by Rich Miller * When conservative Republicans refer to moderate Republicans as “RINOs,” it shows how small-minded they really are. Politics is a game of addition, not subtraction. Only people who don’t mind losing want to keep their party “pure.” Why do the House Democrats perform so well in the suburbs and in many Downstate areas? One reason is they recruit former Republicans to run. Just to cite one example, the woman who beat the allegedly “unbeatable” state Rep. Skip Saviano was a former Republican. The list is long, and it’s not just the House. DuPage County’s only Democratic Senator is a former Republican. The Democrats in this state welcome former Republicans with open arms. The ultra-conservative Republican “activists” too often want to throw moderates out of their party and keep former Democrats away at all costs. * So instead of celebrating this young man’s hard work for the House Republican Organization, we get this headline…
OMG!!! Call the purity police! Also, if you look at the hyperlink’s text, you’ll see the original headline: “HRO Head Joe Woodward’s Democrat Connections Raise Eyebrows.” At least they toned it down. * But Woodward still has to endure some guilt by association crud…
Horrors!!! Could he be some sort of Democratic plant? A Communist “Manchurian Staffer” who is about to take a purposeful dive for the Evil Democrat Machine in order to clear a path for THAT WOMAN??? Please. He did a little low-pay grunt work for Hillary seven years ago to get some experience. He worked for his dad, who happens to be a Democrat and who is currently very ill. Yet, for some reason, conservatives have to treat anybody formerly connected in any way with the Democratic Party as if they were ISIL members. * At least they did include this information…
If somebody dropped a dime on Joe they ought to be ashamed of themselves. Seriously, what the heck? The guy is working literally non-stop for his candidates and his party for lousy wages and he’s gotta deal with this silly grilling on top of everything else? Unreal.
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- Todd - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:04 pm:
I like Joe and think he is doing a decent job. the hachet people who want to take him down should go away.
- Former Republican - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:07 pm:
Let’s see, it’s about 31 days to an election… yup, it’s about time to fire up the circular firing squad. Maybe we can manage to lose some seats in the ILGA while we are at it.
- Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:08 pm:
Welcome to the Illinois Republican Party. Where good deeds are often attacked by someone, somewhere, and at all times. Woodward is a great hardworking guy and I’ve enjoyed working and interacting with him.
A hundred more of him and we would be back in the driver’s seat, much to the chagrin of Democrats and those who claim they are the “base” of the GOP.
Too bad we have a few that focus more on working against Republicans instead of Democrats that they would waste their time with this nonsense.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:09 pm:
Dear Joe Woodward,
I have your 6.
The only thing you have to apologize for…are the Dopes questioning you.
You’re the type of guy I would pick up a clipboard for, because in reality, those purist, made it clear, I’m not their type of guy.
===The Democrats in this state welcome former Republicans with open arms. The ultra-conservative Republican “activists” too often want to throw moderates out of their party and keep former Democrats away at all costs.===
…and they “all” wonder why we lose.
I tip my cap to you Joe Woodward.
I can’t say anything more about the Slytherins…
All the best, Joe,
Oswego Willy
Republican
- Chris Nybo - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:09 pm:
Joe Woodward is amazing, and I was very impressed during the short period of time during which I was fortunate to work with him. He’s got true talent, and it’s been fun to watch him grow into his new role.
- Doooode - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:10 pm:
Great post, Rich. Woodward works hard and plays hard - good dude.
- Angel's Sword - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:11 pm:
Yup. I don’t agree with Speaker Madigan on everything, but I’m very thankful and appreciative of how he’s strengthened the state Democratic party. I look up at Michigan, and think that if we weren’t so organized, Illinois could easily be like Michigan (massive Republican majorities in both houses because of poorly distributed Democratic votes.) As a Democrat, I’m thankful we have a strong state Democratic party that’s always looking to grow.
- wordslinger - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:12 pm:
There’s no mystery; there are plenty of so-called conservatives who are anything but; they are reactionary whiners who have no interest in governing whatsoever.
Winning elections and having accountability and responsibility would scare them to death.
- OneMan - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:13 pm:
It’s all about Purity of Essene there Mandrake…
- Rahm'sMiddleFinger - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:13 pm:
-Bryar’s willingness to connect himself to what is widely considered a political ruse has caused some to question the legitimacy of his Congressional bid. Last week, Bryar’s campaign released results of a poll it had commissioned that showed his support in the 5th District hovering near zero percent.
Donoghue, for one, said he wasn’t sure why a candidate would do something so against his own political interests.
“I think that’s probably a straw candidate,” Donoghue said. “I’m not in a position to characterize the motive, but that kind of an admission is not one that I would take completely at face value.”
But Bryar’s campaign manager, Joe Woodward, said the petition challenge process is about “accountability and integrity.”
“This campaign is about honesty,” Woodward said. “Paul Bryar is in this to win this.”-
This just reminded me that Joe also ran a campaign for one of the lesser known candidates in the 5th Congressional to replace Rahm Emanuel, Paul Bryar. The only thing notable about his campaign is that it released a poll it commissioned showing it’s candidate with only 1 percent report. Raised a lot of eyebrows at the time.
- Mighty M. Mouse - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:14 pm:
===HRO’s day-to-day political operations are run by Joe Woodhouse (photo right), who has a resume that includes work for Hillary Clinton, and a left-wing environmental group. […]===
Rich, I hate to break the news, but Joe Woodward IS ALSO a card-carrying member of ISIL! How sad. It’s a good thing the Republicans are finding out in time to prevent an attack on the United States.
- Rahm'sMiddleFinger - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:15 pm:
“Support”, not “report”. Long week.
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:15 pm:
I do not rant about conservatives who oppose liberals like Bruce Rauner within the GOP any more than I rant about liberals who oppose conservatives like Brandon Phelps in the Democratic Party.
I simply tell my progressive friends to hop in their cars, drive down to Southern Illinois, and convince the voters that they are wrong.
I have basically the same position when it comes to the so-called “Fair Map” proposal.
When the GOP reflects the core values of Illinois voters, when they have equally good ideas, and run equally good campaigns, they can argue that they should have an equal chance to be in the majority.
But right now, the party platform looks pretty much the same as it did in 1994. It worked then, it doesn’t work now.
- Anonymous - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:15 pm:
all good deeds,never go unpunished
- Team Sleep - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:16 pm:
Rich - thank you for bringing much-needed makeup remover to the clown show that is the Illinois Review.
- vise77 - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:19 pm:
The island of purity keeps on shrinking, and the right-wing “revolution” continues to eat its own.
As one totally disdainful of the far right wing, I am loving it. Let your enemies destroy themselves.
- Rich Miller - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:22 pm:
Just as an FYI, I received an email from Joe at 12:30 this morning in response to a question about a story I was working on. The guy never sleeps.
- frustrated GOP - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:24 pm:
the reason the GOP has so few elected positions in the State- They eat their young.
and just another example.
- Demoralized - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:24 pm:
Yeah, because the House Republican campaign machine has worked so well in the past. They certainly don’t need anybody who has any sort of experience and has some competence in working in campaigns.
- Peoria guy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:29 pm:
Well done Rich. As a lifelong Republican, I can say we as a group deserve that editorial.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:32 pm:
===Just as an FYI, I received an email from Joe at 12:30 this morning in response to a question about a story I was working on. The guy never sleeps.===
My kind of guy.
- RINO Watch - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:34 pm:
Here is another example of Madigan basically running the ILGOP too and the profession trough feeders can’t imagine why Republicans may have a problem with that. Seriously, the other party has operatives running our campaigns isn’t a big deal?
If Woodward is doing such a great job, let me ask this: How many seats are we gonna pick up? One…. Maybe? He’s been there three cycles and all we have done is lose seats.
We need a lot more people like Dan Proft running races. He at least believes in Republican values.
- walker - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:39 pm:
Well-put Rich.
Illinois Dems recruited former Republicans not only as candidates, but also as staff at various levels. Some have even moved on to political jobs as Republicans in other states or DC. They got good training and experience.
- OneMan - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:43 pm:
So out of curiosity is any sort of Democratic moment in your life cause to be looked at suspiciously for the rest of your political life?
If so and if that is the case, I would guess that Ronald Regan’s time as a Democrat
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1894529_1894528_1894518,00.html
He campaigned against Nixon when Nixon ran for senate for example…
So I am guessing that Reagan would not be worthy in your world?
Your point begs a bigger question… If you could win with someone running the political side who disagreed with you entirely but who could get the job done, does winning trump purity?
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:43 pm:
===We need a lot more people like Dan Proft running races. He at least believes in Republican values.===
He was busy for a while with Larry Dominick and his “values”
Dope.
===If Woodward is doing such a great job, let me ask this: How many seats are we gonna pick up? One…. Maybe? He’s been there three cycles and all we have done is lose seats.===
Let me be very clear;
If Leader Durkin, who took over, wants Joe Woodward at the helm, then I am supporting both with as much gusto I can.
For every Dope out there looking at this with a tin foil hat and boogey men under ballot boxes, the Crew Leader Durkin is trying to build for the future begins this cycle. You want to judge results Nomvber 5th, I’ll be joining you, trust me..,
…but I back Leader Durkin, and I am backing Joe Woodward. After this dropping the dime on Joe, I feel more confident that Leader Durkin is trying to change the culture to be more inclusive.
OW
- Just askin' - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:43 pm:
Come 2016, is he gonna leave HRO to get Hillary elected President?
- Team Sleep - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:44 pm:
RINO -
You, sir or madam, is what is wrong with our party.
I wish that people like Dan Proft would stay a million billion miles away. Sorry for the hyperbole - I’m channeling my inner child, kind of like what the IR folks do all the time.
Reality = winning elections
Purity = losing elections.
To quote the guy from Grainger radio commercials: Get it?! Got it?! GOOD!
- RINO watch - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:48 pm:
Winning? Maybe you missed my point. Woodward was there in 2010 until now. We only lost ground to become an irelevant superminority. This cycle it is even a bigger circus. Nixon? Gone. Bell? Gone. Bryant? Gone. How many races do we stand to pick up? Answer the question.
Because this winning no matter what thing isn’t working. We aren’t winning.
Maybe it is because Republican votes want to vote for an alternative to Madigan, not another supplicant to him.
- Fighters of Foo - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:48 pm:
Thank you Rich. Addition, not subtraction, that’s how you grow a party.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:50 pm:
- RINO Watcher -
4-62.
The ILGOP on SSM.
We’re shrinking into redundancy and irrelevancy.
“But we will be Pure!”
I like to win, ask around…
- Anonymoiis - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:51 pm:
Exhibit A why nobody takes, or should take, the Illinois Review seriously. They’re success is dependent on the failure of Republicans, because they have this inane belief that will somehow make conservatives stronger. That’s like arguing if I can’t get the exact plants I want, a perpetual drought would give me a better chance.
- Amalia - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:52 pm:
Look, I take Republicans at their word now…their national party platform. Anti choice? check. Against civil rights for all? check. this is less about them being strategically stupid and more that they are far right conservatives and want what they want. I will not have what they are having.
- OneMan - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:53 pm:
Funny thing is, I remember back when we used to win…
Governors like Thompson, Edgar even Ryan….
I don’t recall any of them running on the big conservative issues. Heck I suspect you think them all RINOs to…
Also contrary to what people who are really into politics think within the GOP, the Illinois swing voter can really give two shakes about Mike Madigan.
- NewWestSuburbanGOP'er - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:59 pm:
I just want to point out, I have not read any of the comments yet, but rather wanted to say…
Joe Woodward is a good man. I have known Joe and family for many years. He will be one of the reasons Republicans might have a chance in this state. He knows enough to reach out to try and have friends on both sides of the aisle.
I think it was stated best at the beginning of this article-”When conservative Republicans refer to moderate Republicans as “RINOs,” it shows how small-minded they really are. Politics is a game of addition, not subtraction. Only people who don’t mind losing want to keep their party “pure.”
- David Ormsby - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:00 pm:
$4k? That’s it? Joe, ask Durkin for raise.
- Demoralized - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:07 pm:
@Rino:
You are the reason your party is doing so poorly. You don’t seem to be too keen on differing points of view in your party. If you can’t see the silliness in the attacks on this guy then you are completely and hopelessly lost.
- Rich Miller - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:08 pm:
===So I am guessing that Reagan would not be worthy in your world?===
Exactly.
Ronald Reagan eventually did more to expand the Republican Party than anyone other than Abraham Lincoln.
Reagan won Madigan’s 13th Ward. Twice.
The people who most often invoke Reagan’s name are the same people most responsible for alienating those “Reagan Democrats” and assuring that they never became actual Republicans in this state.
- Demoralized - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:08 pm:
==We need a lot more people like Dan Proft running races. He at least believes in Republican values.==
Purity over victory!!! Nice mantra.
- ??? - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:09 pm:
RINO - you’re right, we need more people like Proft running campaigns. I mean, the way his guy Keith Matune beat Ron Sandack in the primary was just - oh, wait….
- A guy... - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:11 pm:
I know Woodward well. If there are any more guys like him out there; send them over. He’s smart, street smart, hard working, creative, and honest to a point of bluntness in a respectable way. He’s just what the HGOP needs and has needed for a long time. He wants to work with people who say something when they send a release out. He’s a total winner. If you lose with Joe on your team, you never had a chance to win in the first place. Every candidate who’s got this dude working for them can sleep better….cause he doesn’t. He’s absolutely top notch. Anyone who says otherwise is an absolute jerk- no exceptions!
- Rich Miller - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:11 pm:
===Seriously, the other party has operatives running our campaigns isn’t a big deal?===
My dad was a lifelong Republican. He bailed after W won. He volunteered for Democrats. Should he have been seen as a spy? No. That’s what the Dems understand and you never will.
BTW, Dad bailed on Obama. He voted for Ron Paul last time around. But, to you, he’s “tainted” for the rest of his life and should never be trusted.
You are a freaking idiot.
- A guy... - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:13 pm:
There’s room for Woodwards and Profts, more of each. When we realize that we’ll be in the majority and Joe Woodward would likely be one of our members.
- Madame Defarge - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:15 pm:
I am a Republican and have been longer than many of the purists now claiming that they alone get to decide who is and isn’t a Republican have been alive.
More and more these folks seem to want to meet only to decide who to vote off the island. Winning and having a say in public policy is no longer the goal. Raising money and getting their name in the media have become the main drivers. Soon they will be very lonely on the island.
- 1776 - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:18 pm:
Joe is a class guy and doing a good job. It’s hard to be effective when other members of the House GOP Caucus (McSweeney, Ives, etc) are taking potshots at their own members and staff.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:19 pm:
===There’s room for Woodwards and Profts===
Matune vs. Sandack?
Nope, Proft’s purity ain’t helping grow My Party. Please learn.
- Rich Miller - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:20 pm:
===Seriously, the other party has operatives running our campaigns isn’t a big deal?===
You should actually be overjoyed considering the HGOP success rate over the past thirty years.
Just sayin…
- Precinct Captain - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:23 pm:
==- RINO Watch - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 1:34 pm:==
So you want more than a Democratic super majority in the Illinois House, you want literally 100% Democrats?
- A guy... - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:23 pm:
OW, it’s our party and Proft has changed the game in some places you approve of and some places not. If it’s a big tent, there’s room for both of them. Both are exceedingly smart, smart guys. They could find plenty of common ground and work together. I would opine that they have and they are. I like Sandack, don’t know Mattune. I do know people who liked him very much. If anything, he provided Sandack some inspiration. Get over it and work for Our party. For whoever you see fit. Just be a part of the solution someplace.
- Robert the Bruce - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:30 pm:
Maybe Woodward is a republican, maybe he isn’t. If he does good work, who cares?
There ought to be a place for a moderate/independent to work for candidates of both parties. And by understanding the other sides’ arguments better, I’d imagine that person would do a better job than the average staffer.
- John A Logan - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:31 pm:
Are people to forsake their beliefs in order to win? If you can’t beat them join them? Sorry, but that simply does not work for people that are on the evangelical right. Many of us would rather be able to look ourselves in the mirror knowing we have beliefs that we actually believe, then to change our world view to win an election.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice…
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:32 pm:
- A Guy… -,
Here is the rub;
I have been an advocate of the Maureen Murphy - Mark Beaubien model for years. Period. I don’t need the lecture, use the “search” key.
So, spending in that very specific race, for those very specific reasons, I have a beef. My beef is also is about the Dopes who refuse to see Proft isn’t about the Purity of “Purity”. Proft earned his respect of winning or losing on picking his spots, and for his reasons, and being blind to that is ignorant if the facts.
===Get over it and work for Our party. For whoever you see fit. Just be a part of the solution someplace.===
You never know what people do. Sometimes being the Daily Southtown helps. Sometimes.
- Anonymous - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:38 pm:
God$end. Damn
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:40 pm:
Joe Woodward, based on your replies quoted in that ==journalism==, you handled yourself very well.
Your employer, colleagues and friends are assuredly delighted to know you and work with you, as they should be.
- DuPage Bard - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:58 pm:
It would seem to me if there are so many R’s looking to become D’s and so many purists who don’t want to be nice, why not have a true third party. Folks who are tired of both sides but don’t want to be Libertarians or Green. From all the polling that keeps being reported, a little under a third of the people polled in all these races claim to be independents. Would be interesting to see if an independent could actually survive.
- DuPage - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 2:58 pm:
I think it will be a photo-finish, Rauner will unleash last minute saturation of the airwaves. A lot of people look at it as Bad v Worse, with their side bad but not as bad as the opposition. Not very many enthusiastic voters on either side.
- Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:00 pm:
===Winning and having a say in public policy is no longer the goal. ===
Kudos Madame DeFarge! You hit the nail right on the head.
- Rich Miller - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:05 pm:
===Would be interesting to see if an independent could actually survive. ===
Agreed. Not to say he’s gonna lose (I voted “no clue”) I think Rauner might actually be doing better if he ran as an independent, but it would’ve put a huge nail in the GOP’s coffin here.
- BigTentRepublican - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:07 pm:
The real question is why would David McSweeney push this information onto IR?
- Big Muddy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:09 pm:
RINO watch,
It’s people like you that have killed the GOP in Illinois, not the Sandack, Cross and Sullivan types. Learn to be tolerant of those that don’t agree with you all the time would ya? Isn’t that what you learned in Sunday school for Pete’s sake!
- Todd - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:10 pm:
Rich –
and speaking of those Reagan dems, I’ve been a life long Republican. Also this month I get my 25 year pin for being a member of Local 150. That right RINO, I’ve made my living and put food on the table for my family being a union guy in the trades.
These are the guys that can really swing elelction when the Rauner’s of the world quit attacking unions and bleating about right to work.
Trades guys are conservitive in nature. Often time bordering on libertarian. All they want to do is go to work, make a decent wage and provide for their families. Lots of our guys make north of $75K. As an example take a guess what the top grossing OE made in the chicagoland market in 2007? go ahead guess. And if you guess below $275 your wrong. the guy running a tower crane 6-7 days a week on top of Trump I believe working 12 hours a day. and how do you think hes’ gonna vote on issues like taxes and such? Don’t mess with their jobs, and they will vote guns, taxes and schools. threaten their livlyhood and you give the Union a chance to turn 30-35% of their membership to the dems.
Think about that, going into a Union and having the potential to get 30-35% of what should be your opponents base. After the 2000 presidential election the AFL did a study/poll of the trades. a full 35% voted for Bush over guns. And the dems and unions started a whole Union Sportsman’s Alliance to combat it.
Keep it up with your purity and see how the super-minority feels for the next 40 years.
- Mac McIntyre - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:15 pm:
I like the comment about Illinois Republicans eating their young. That’s been my observation locally. Here Republican candidates are more engaged in local issues but their party absolutely refuses to participate in local politics. The Democrats are totally up on national and international affairs, give two ships about local matters but hone their collective campaign skills on local offices.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:16 pm:
Thanks - Todd -,
Very well said.
There was a time when 150, the McCormack Place trades, even the IEA endorsements weren’t seen as being “unpure”, but a Republican with long reaching arms and popular.
The shame is seeing a - Todd - type voter and not think they should be with My Party.
- Anonymous - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:24 pm:
a party of rich old white men trying to hold onto money and power,you are an endangered party,keep up that pure thing and you will be a footnote in history(abe`s got to be laughing that the south turned republican)
- Col Jessep - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:28 pm:
When candidates/elected officials have too much time on their hands, and think they should be the leader and because they have cast bad votes - like voting against pension reform- they don’t feel the love they, in their twisted minds think they deserve they will say or do anything To get the attention they think they deserve and take shots at the leader or his team. So these elected officials lash out and do an oppo dump on staff?? And do it annon??? You want to be leader?!? No way you could handle the truth you have to do oppo dumps Annon.
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:35 pm:
== seeing a - Todd - type voter and not think they should be with My Party ==
Willy, as if that were not enough. They have to then demonize a Todd-type so much that he does more than skip the race, he winds up voting against the Party he supported in the first place.
Way to go, guys. Now that is some winning math.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:38 pm:
===Willy, as if that were not enough. They have to then demonize a Todd-type so much that he does more than skip the race, he winds up voting against the Party he supported in the first place.===
Add to that, my favorite from the Slytherins;
“Well, they weever with us anyway”
Um, yeah, they were, you drive them away, and now blame them too.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:38 pm:
“whatever”
- Col Jessep - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:42 pm:
Where is S. David? Shouldn’t someone who doesn’t have a race be out here defending the leader and HRO team?
- Seriously?! - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 3:58 pm:
Glad to see some of the good people of this blog recognize that there’s no way the idea for this ridiculous hit piece was the work of the crack research team at the Illinois Review. What’s the best way to get out of the super minority? Hint: It doesn’t involve throwing your staff (and therefore, your Leader) under the bus.
- Todd - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 4:13 pm:
thanks Willy
do me a favor and drop me an email tvandermyd@aol.com
- Col Jessep - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 4:22 pm:
Todd V for Governor!
- In the past - Friday, Oct 3, 14 @ 4:40 pm:
The illinois review and the far right loons will destroy what’s left of the Illinois Republican Party. Just look who they cater to up in cook county and who they try to destroy.
Rino is a term for candidates they don’t like for whatever reason.