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Thursday, Oct 30, 2014

* Rep. Marty Moylan debated his Republican opponent Mel Thillens yesterday

In response to a question from debate moderator Joe Campagna, past president of the Park Ridge chamber, only one candidate said who he is supporting for governor.

“Bruce Rauner’s got to be the guy who goes to the governor’s mansion next,” Thillens said. “We’ve got to change the conversation in Springfield.”

Moylan didn’t declare.

“I’m concentrating on my election. … I’m worried about Marty Moylan.”

* The Rauner campaign react…

“Independent suburban voters are rejecting Pat Quinn and his plan to raise taxes right after the election. You know Pat Quinn’s in serious trouble when members of his own party won’t admit they support his re-election with under a week to go.” - Rauner spokesperson Mike Schrimpf

- Posted by Rich Miller        

60 Comments
  1. - admin - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:39 am:

    Rauner’s a creepy clown. Run away, run away! Hide your grandma before it’s too late!!


  2. - Bill White - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:40 am:

    == “Independent suburban voters are rejecting Pat Quinn and his plan to raise taxes right after the election. ==

    A Governor-elect Rauner would like nothing than for a lame duck Pat Quinn to pass a tax increase.

    I don’t think that will happen.


  3. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:41 am:

    They have to get young John Goodman to play Mel Thillens when they make this movie.


  4. - The Captain - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:41 am:

    If memory serves didn’t Kotowski refuse to back Blagojevich in 2006? He won by 10.


  5. - Old News - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:43 am:

    Makes one wonder if Moylan has some internal polling that he is doing just fine but Quinn isn’t!!
    Marty must have been thinking ” not answering that question after seeing the poll Soeaker Madigan did for me”


  6. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:47 am:

    There’s 118 House seats, not all 118 seats will go for Rauner, and not all 118 seats will go for Quinn.

    What do we see more of, press-wise;

    Quinn sharing a stage with multiple, fellow elected, Dems?

    Rauner, publicly, sharing a stage with multiple, elected or nominated Republicans?

    Food for thought.


  7. - Bourbonrich - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:47 am:

    I can’t see any way that this Legislature will vote to raise taxes if Rauner wins and don’t see much more chance that the new legislature will either unless the entire GOP votes for it.


  8. - Ron Burgundy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:48 am:

    For the umpteenth time, candidates, please stop talking about yourself in the third person.


  9. - Amalia - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:51 am:

    it’s inside baseball, but if you know anything about Maine Township politics this is not a surprise. Moylan’s ex wife is a Republican, a township official, and in the last State Rep race, combine Republicans that they are, the township Republicans sat on their hands for their state rep candidate against Moylan.. things are somewhat different on the R side now, since Proft put a far right conservative in place for township committeeman but the combine lives on.


  10. - Wordslinger - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:52 am:

    Who’s Rauner backing for Chicago mayor?

    He’s been throwing a lot of money around. Certainly there’s a hot-shot Republican out there who wants to shake up Chicago and take down Obama’s unpopular former chief of staff?

    Who’s Rauner backing for Senate? You’d think the head of the state GOP could throw as much money at Obie as he has in the past to Daley, Emanuel, Claypool and Rendell.


  11. - OneMan - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:58 am:

    So they had some video of his answer…

    http://youtu.be/7FPELc1wEvk


  12. - William j Kelly - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:00 am:

    As a life long republican I can say with no hesitation that any real republican would reject rauner based on his dirty insider deals with Rahm alone. I never heard of thillins before but my guess is he is just one of this last minute profitjobs and should be rejected outright by all decent voters in that district along with rauner.


  13. - Under Further Review - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:01 am:

    Moylan sounds like the US Senatorial candidate from Kentucky who refused to acknowledge voting for Obama (after serving as a delegate to the DNC).


  14. - Bill White - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:04 am:

    Amalia - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 10:51 a.m.

    That was an interesting comment.

    Where I live “township” Republicans and “combine” Republicans are fairly close to being mortal enemies.

    Illinois politics can get quite convoluted, at times.


  15. - Frenchie Mendoza - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:09 am:

    Rauner’s a creep. If you vote for him — or declare you sycophancy — you’ve obviously made the choice many months ago.

    If you’re on the fence — and moderately aware of anything political in nature — you can’t vote for Rauner in good conscience. You might still do it, but you know it’s dirty. And creepy. And wrong for so many reasons.


  16. - patsy cline gurl - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:20 am:

    I heard Rauner is paying minority communities cash to spread around for their votes. Legal? Or the norm?


  17. - Carroll County - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:24 am:

    Frenchie: “You might still do it, but you know it’s dirty. And creepy.”

    Amen times ten to that. I was close to holding my nose but after 2 “Grimm is a spoiler” postcards coming in yesterday, I think a spoiler vote is in order.


  18. - William j Kelly - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:28 am:

    Wordslinger, rauner is supporting Rahm for mayor of Chicago which is why all decent democrats should reject Rahm outright.


  19. - Amalia - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:30 am:

    @ Bill White, yep, inside baseball. where stats are often not for losers!


  20. - William j Kelly - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:31 am:

    Pasty cline girl, Rahm is at 8% popularity with blacks in Chicago, I don’t think they are going to support his 1%er money buddy rauner.


  21. - Louis G Atsaves - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:33 am:

    William J. Kelly: Real Republicans are backing Rauner this election. Get over yourself. We will also try to back a real Republican for Mayor of Chicago. Any ideas who we should support?


  22. - lil enchilada - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:35 am:

    Who are REAL republicans?


  23. - Old News - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:36 am:

    This I can assure William Kelly . He won’t have to worry about being a life long republican running for Mayor (and yes I know it’s non partisan) because after Tuesday win or lose your done in your own party.
    Not that you ever were a main player


  24. - William j Kelly - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:41 am:

    Assteves, listen to Dick Morris, he’s a cool dude! http://youtu.be/uyBRkyE63Ko


  25. - Wumpus - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:43 am:

    WJK with the purity test!


  26. - Old News - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:45 am:

    William Kelly and Dick Morris now that’s a winning combo.
    When the tab comes for dinner they both try to shake the other guy down.
    So instead they probably dine and dash


  27. - OneMan - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:47 am:

    == Who are REAL republicans? ==

    Those I like and who agree with me…

    Duh….


  28. - Under Further Review - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 11:50 am:

    @Frenchie:

    Because there are so many positive reasons to support a continuation of Quinn’s incompetent run as governor…?


  29. - William j Kelly - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 12:01 pm:

    Old news, FYI, last time Morris was in town for my st. Patricks day/birthday party, he insisted on paying for dinner, gave me a 1k donation and after I drove him to the airport he insisted on paying for my gas! Dick Morris is a cool dude! http://youtu.be/tvaeUGbx59s


  30. - Just Thinking - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 12:05 pm:

    Please lets limit this to intelligent conversation. Even thinking that William Kelly is a player in this coming mayoral election is beyond comprehension…..


  31. - Archiesmom - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 12:18 pm:

    That same Dick Morris who had a hooker listen in on a conversation with President Clinton? The one who predicted a landslide victory by Romney? The one who now makes a living bloviating on YouTube because Fox made him disappear and didn’t renew his contract? Yep, my kind of Republican.


  32. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 12:49 pm:

    - Louis G Atsaves -

    ===Real Republicans are backing Rauner this election.===

    Mighty pompous of you, what is a real Republican?

    Will I find out when a Goon Squad with guns intimidates me?

    Will I know when women I know get told Rauner will bury them too?

    Will I get the hint Gov. Rendell takes my checks for work in Pennsylvania?

    Will I get a clue when more bullying of reporters comes to light?

    Will I understand when, like you, honesty, integrity, ethics vas morals are punch lines?

    Rauner is the GOP Blagojevich. Own that. Just look at the Tribune incident with Blago, and the Sun-Times episode with McKinney.

    Do you decide who a Republican is, based on selling my soul to the Republican Rauner.

    That’s sad, and it speaks volumes to character.

    “Real Republicans” back Rauner. Get over yourself, you’re selling out, like Dems who knew Blago and backed him too, and now we can’t find all those Blago backers….

    …can we?

    Of course not.

    You’re a Raunerite. Own that too.


  33. - DuPage - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 12:58 pm:

    @patsy cline gurl@11:20 =I heard Rauner is paying minority communities cash to spread around for their votes. Legal? Or the norm?=

    I think it is illegal to directly pay someone to vote. However, Illinois has a long history and tradition of “unusual” campaigning and elections.

    I read somewhere that long ago there was a close vote on a referendum in what is now East St. Louis, to change the name of the town to East St. Louis. It was going to be a very close vote, and the business owners who wanted the name change were going to lose by a small number of votes. A railroad construction train pulled into the switchyard just inside the city limits, and was going to be there all day.
    On that train were a over a hundred Irish railroad workers who went with the train. A resourceful bar owner heard about it, and came up with a last minute idea. He set up tables in the rail yard for voter registration and ballots. Also, he brought along cases of his best Irish whisky and lots of shot glasses. Another business owner brought some money. At the end of the day, enough new “yes” votes came in to win, by just a few votes. And the city name has been East St. Louis ever since.


  34. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 1:07 pm:

    I agree with Louis, OW.

    I’m not finding real Republicans having a problem with Rauner.

    I don’t consider myself or you, in that category.


  35. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 1:11 pm:

    - VanillaMan -

    Speak for yourself.

    If the Dems would have recognized Blago as he was, the second term never could have happened.

    A political party is just that, a party, not a religion.


  36. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 1:17 pm:

    Interesting

    - VanillaMan -

    ===Rauner did nothing Blagojevich didn’t do - and you guys let him get away with it from 2001-2009.

    So spare us the shock.===

    You wrote that - VanillaMan -, I chose to stop My Party from repeating the mistake, and you ding me?

    You take - Louis G. Atsaves - side?

    Read why I won’t back Rauner.

    Dope.


  37. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 3:20 pm:

    Your decision to not back Rauner was made after he beat Dillard. We’ve seen perhaps 5000 anti-Rauner posts from you.

    No one here need to read a reason why you won’t support your party’s nominee anymore than we needed the 3000 anti-Plummer postings four years ago why you didn’t support your party’s nominee then.

    I don’t know anyone else around here who keeps claiming they support a party, then go to such extremes to attack the nominees, attack their political stands, attack the ads - all while feigning a charade that they support that party.

    You have been doing it for almost a decade. You don’t even try to be bipartisan, independent or balanced.

    I think the only Democrat you’ve openly disliked here is Frerichs.

    So I don’t need to read why you won’t back your party’s nominee this time because you usually don’t back the nominees of “my party”.


  38. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 3:23 pm:

    ===I don’t know anyone else around here who keeps claiming they support a party, then go to such extremes to attack the nominees, attack their political stands, attack the ads - all while feigning a charade that they support that party.===

    You used to pretend you were a Democrat here VanillaMan. Remember that? I most certainly do. People who live in glass houses…


  39. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 3:36 pm:

    - VanillaMan -,

    Let’s look at this, …honestly.

    The last two statewide races, and throw in these statewide races;

    My Party conceded to Jesse White and Lisa Madigan.

    The diminishing Caucuses the last 3 legislative cycles; led to both chambers being veto-proofed.

    I have Jim Oberweis, who sees the light of SSM when faced with electoral reality.

    I had “Call Me, Maybe?” As GOTV, I had a Guv Nominee last time that ignored all of Cook County.

    I had a SSC more concerned about planks than voters.

    I had a House Leader golf on Election Day.

    I have a 4-62 ILGOP GA on SSM.

    You see, I am the Daily Southtown. You don’t get it.

    I want 30, 60, Mansion.

    I don’t want ineptness.

    I don’t want monolithic veto-proof caucuses.

    I want precinct infrastructure.

    I want building.

    Those who understand, they let me know. They understand.

    You still think this election is a referendum.

    If you don’t understand what role I am trying to play, that is on you, not me.

    I love My Party, it not required to love me back, and I don’t ask it to. What is good is that those who do understand, it makes me have hope. They know I hope.

    That’s why I do what I do. That’s why I give out in the open as I do.

    It’s not reading, it’s comprehending. I’m a Dope, not too difficult to figure out my messages.


  40. - Bobio - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 4:00 pm:

    @William j Kelly

    ===I never heard of thillins before but my guess is he is just one of this last minute profitjobs and should be rejected outright by all decent voters in that district along with rauner.===

    You really never heard of Thillens or his family before. Come on. You are not a Repub, are you? Everything you wrote suspiciously sounds Dem. Nice try!


  41. - William j Kelly - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 4:34 pm:

    Bobio, thank you for reprinting my earlier comment, I see there was a typo, instead of profitjobs I meant proftjobs. As in dan Proft’s last minute spend the Uline money and look productive deals. Just ask Keith matune.


  42. - Bobio - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 4:47 pm:

    You never played baseball at Thillen’s stadium or saw their armored cars or check cashing trucks. Their one of the more famous famil’s in Chicagoland


  43. - Louis G Atsaves - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 4:56 pm:

    Vanilla Man, last time I had a go around with voluminous super poster “Republican” Oswego Willy, he admitted as a “Republican” to only supporting two statewide candidates. Two out of six.

    Enough said. Real Republicans don’t confine themselves to single issues. Real Republicans don’t engage in personality likes or dislikes. Real Republicans don’t have personal axes to grind. Real Republicans don’t take their ball and go home if they don’t get their way on issues or candidates, large or small.

    Our fringe element isn’t “conservative” or “RINO.” That categorization unfairly insults true conservatives and moderates. Our fringe element in the ILGOP is truly out there on the fringe and just plain hates the party. The party can’t spend countless hours and resources reaching out to the unreachable. That would be, dare I say it . . . Dopey!

    All that doesn’t make me a “Raunerbot.” That makes me a real Republican. And proud to be one and not bashful about saying so.

    And who pays attention to Dick Morris?


  44. - William j Kelly - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 5:00 pm:

    Oh, ok, I get it now, he has family money, that explains Proft, sorry but if he’s a rauner proftsitute than I support Marty, thanks.


  45. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 5:05 pm:

    OW

    I’ve been waiting since 2002 for a competent, honest Democratic governor after a generation of Republican ones. Instead we got a lying crook who never showed up for work. Then we got his incompetent Lt. Gov gas bag of a gadfly after he got impeached.

    We needed new leadership for a new century, but what we got was worse than George Ryan.

    I supported Dillard twice. I supported Hynes. I supported anyone but Blagojevich. I vote for a candidate. Not a party.

    I wanted to like Rauner. I was open minded. I’m still trying. He is not a good choice. We know what we got with Quinn. A big Zero. I also know MJM decides what happens in Illinois. Whoever is elected has to get an agreement with him. Blagojevich didnt. Quinn has been demoted to acting governor since 2010. I believe Rauner will be shown the Way things Are in Blue Illinois and will have his hot air cooled off- if Rauner wins.

    I will vote. But I can’t believe it will be harder to choice in 2014 than it was in 2010.

    Since the Primary, you’ve been plastering CapFax with emotional postings. If you really think yourself as a GOP party, you haven’t given your party’s nominee any chance. I don’t recall you ever giving a GOP candidate one.

    I consider Wordslinger more open minded on GOP candidates than Willy. I don’t believe you.


  46. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 5:19 pm:

    - Louis G. Atsaves -

    You are voting and supporting the Blago of the GOP.

    Every single time you dinged Blago, here, to friends, at a door, you are now the person who is touting Blago.

    Let that fester.

    Honesty, integrity, ethics, morals.

    Every time you dings Dems on those, your hypocrisy is in full display.

    And let’s talk about “support”

    Webster and Schimpf?

    All these glorious “real republicans” bad no one to take on Jesse or Lisa?

    Supporting, like a lemming, someone with an (R) is being a lemming. Demanding the “leaders” step up and Mage races with more than tokens, that is building a party. Building.

    I voted for Bill Brady after mercilessly attacking Plummer. Mercilessly. I did it for Brady and the Map, now I have the Jerry Clarke map.

    “How can you tell it’s the Jerry Clake Map?”

    “It’s missing Cook County”

    I had a Caucus Leader Golf…golf on Election Day.

    Oh I know - Louis G. Atsaves - I ask too much, lol.

    Take a look in the mirror. Is My Party more concerned about their own skins, or do leaders want skin in the game?

    Who holds them accountable? Who? Who?

    @FakeRonSandack - “Who?” (Sorry) “Who?”

    Telling me to be quiet and get in line is the thinking that hit us Veto-Proofed and the Jerry Clarke Map.

    Get over yourself. Read, but comprehend.

    You’re smarter than using “R _ _ _”, aren’t you?

    When My Party recognizes criticism, and stops ignoring obvious pitfalls, than others than token candidates will appear.

    You’re heart is in the right place, that you can’t see where my heart is, there is the tragedy.

    It’s not up to me for you to understand, it’s up to you.


  47. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Oct 30, 14 @ 5:51 pm:

    ===Since the Primary, you’ve been plastering CapFax with emotional postings. If you really think yourself as a GOP party, you haven’t given your party’s nominee any chance. I don’t recall you ever giving a GOP candidate===

    Campaigns have plenty of cheerleaders.

    The Rauner candidacy is a promise I made to myself.

    “Never back someone like Blago if My Party nominated one”

    I’m keeping my word to myself. That hasn’t changed. I’m not voting for either. Quinn and Rauner can find their own ways.

    I will be voting for Topinka, Cross, my Republican GA, my Republican County candidates.

    If you ding demand accountability, what’s the point?


  48. - Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 1:06 am:

    Willy, you are just kidding yourself. Repeating the same talking points 10,000 times doesn’t make them true.

    “Never back someone like Blago if the party nominated one” rings false. Are you calling Webster and Schimpf Blagos? I hope not!

    You can support continuing failure in Illinois by ripping on those who challenge it. We have seen the ruling party of Illinois govern this State into the ground. And watched those who failed us desperately seeking to keep their power at all costs, by deflecting attention away from their record of failure by destroying their opposition.

    Don’t kid yourself. Any GOP candidate would have been demonized. Dillard. Rutherford. Brady. Rauner.

    What is the alternative? Tell us.

    Do you really want four more years of what has destroyed Illinois for the last 12? I won’t sell out for that. You will. That’s what you don’t understand about me. Or yourself.


  49. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 6:45 am:

    ===Willy, you are just kidding yourself. Repeating the same talking points 10,000 times doesn’t make them true.===

    You never refute them, not once. You have had 10,000 times to refute, and you failed 10,000 times. Pathetic.

    You are losing the argument - 10,000 times.

    That’s what makes them true. You can’t refute.

    Making it about me, that’s a Rauner special; smear, intimidate, discredit the messenger, not the facts. You have yet to discredit reality. Don’t believe me? Then you’re fooling yourself.

    Your talking point?

    ===What is the alternative?===

    That is the Rauner close? “What’s the alternative?”

    That is the saddest refute or close after $63 million dollars to fool voters.

    ===What’s the alternative===

    That’s the definition of being a lemming.

    ===Never back someone like Blago if the party nominated one” rings false===

    See Dave McKinney/Sun-Times… See Blag/Tribune. That ain’t Blago?

    Every time you dinged Blago and you support Rauner, your nose grows like that prop Quinnocchio.

    ===Don’t kid yourself. Any GOP candidate would have been demonized===

    If you are saying that the others are like Blago, I am embarrassed for you.

    Rutherford jacked the prices on infant saving medicine? Dillard must have started a business to outsource jobs? Brady had lawsuits threatening someone he hired, their family too?

    Not. The. Same.

    We all know how Rauner rolls, ask Aaron Schock.

    ===Are you calling Webster and Schimpf Blagos? I hope not!===

    Token candidates ain’t moving the ball forward. Funny, you’re a pretty smart guy, the fact you try to lump that logic…

    …Rauner and token candidates for the last 3 statewide races against Jesse and Lisa.. is either willfully ignorant or changing the subject again, because - Louis G. Atsaves -, you have no responses…even after..10,000 times.

    ===What is the alternative?===

    After $63 million, that’s all - Louis G. Arsaves - has to break a promise to myself. If you dinged Blago, you are now that person you dinged. Congratulation.

    - Louis G. Atsaves -, food for thought…

    You didn’t refute one of my points above, from the Clarke Map to Cross golfing as a reason I’m not a Real Republican; just like Rauner couldn’t name one company that created a job.

    Not all things are swell. They haven’t been. You cavt refute my rationale, you know you can’t speak to them, so you don’t even try.

    Think on that.

    ===What’s the alternative===

    Honesty, integrity, ethics, morals…with myself.

    And that’s right, exactly right.

    === That’s what you don’t understand about me. Or yourself.===

    “What’s the alternative?”

    I understand fine.


  50. - Wordslinger - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 7:18 am:

    Louis, are you John Kass for Halloween? I think you’ve hit most of the crazy hyperbolic talking points, endlessly repeated.

    “Failed, destroyed, desperately, demonized, power at all costs….”

    Lighten up. Your guy wants the gig, we get it. But he’s running for governor, not messiah.

    And you can take him down from the cross, too. Quinn hasn’t said anything about him that Dillard, Brady and Rutherford didn’t in the primary. He’s just had more money than them.

    Rauner can give as could as he gets. Save the faux outrage for the huckleberries. You seem to know how to play hardball, as the Libs could attest.


  51. - Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 7:39 am:

    Word,

    ===“Failed, destroyed, desperately, demonized, power at all costs….”===

    OK I will change my words to see how they work: “Successful, Improved, Confidently, Self-Assurred, Excellent Administrator, Not a Politician, an Outsider, not Insider.”

    Feel better? Which sounds more ridiculous when you start comparing facts?


  52. - Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 7:48 am:

    Willy:

    === Making it about me, that’s a Rauner special; smear, intimidate, discredit the messenger, not the facts. You have yet to discredit reality. Don’t believe me? Then you’re fooling yourself.===

    You feel intimidated by the fact that you claim you are a die hard Republican who is only supporting two candidates statewide? Does that fact discredit you? Can’t help you out there. It speaks for itself. You want “purity” in candidates Willy, then look in the mirror. No one candidate running from all three political parties on the ballot are absent any flaws.

    That’s why we try to choose the BEST of who is running, and not sweat about golf courses, the Clark Map and other trivia that you are hopelessly bogged down with. I understand that the Clark Map put Republicans at a serious disadvantage, because it lead to the gerrymandered maps we are stuck with. But that doesn’t mean real Republicans sit out the next few elections and voluminously criticize all attempts to fix a rudderless ship. That is your solution. Not mine.

    That’s why a two party system has to reemerge in this state. You don’t sound happy with the current reality, but are doing everything to perpetuate the current status quo.

    Why?

    And please don’t ask me to “refute” 10,000 posts of yours. No one has that type of spare time on their hands.


  53. - Wordslinger - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 7:48 am:

    LOL, I think you know what I mean, Louis.

    The post-apocalyptic dystopian view from Lake Forest probably makes for some good, bad opera, in some circles.


  54. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 8:11 am:

    ===You feel intimidated by the fact that you claim you are a die hard Republican who is only supporting two candidates statewide? Does that fact discredit you? Can’t help you out there.===

    What’s comical about that, is that the slurping up of what you think are legitimate candidacies in Webster and Schimpf flies I. The face of this;

    ===That’s why a two party system has to reemerge in this state.===

    lol. Prop up candidates, that ain’t two party. Pathetic

    === You don’t sound happy with the current reality, but are doing everything to perpetuate the current status quo.===

    If you remotely believe this drivel, then the idea of criticizing the complete lack of trying to compete and challenging those like yourself to stop with the “get in line” mantra is just pretending you want options, not offering them.

    ===And please don’t ask me to “refute” 10,000 posts of yours. No one has that type of spare time on their hands.===

    It only takes one time, like one job Rauner created.

    And the one time, never happened, because even you know, you can’t. Not even one time.

    === But that doesn’t mean real Republicans sit out the next few elections and voluminously criticize all attempts to fix a rudderless ship. That is your solution. Not mine.===

    My solution is to build, to make the ten bigger, be honest with ourselves, and how we are perceived, and make a better case to voters than…

    ===What is the alternative===

    If no one stands up to this utter Dopiness in organizing, in message, in image, in even choice, why bother?

    Starting to rebuild off the premise ===What is the alternative=== isn’t building, it’s making an excuse for having no plan. Period.

    Real choices on the ballot, real ground game, real messaging, realistic voter outreach, real inclusion.

    Sometimes hearing that hurts, but if we don’t address what ails My Party, what symptoms of disease will get the cures needed?


  55. - Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 8:47 am:

    Willy, there you go again!

    No one is asking you to get in line with no questions. You wouldn’t anyway, you are too busy carping from the sidelines nonstop. Let me toss an anti-Rauner argument at you: “Give me concrete, specific examples and programs on how to rebuild the party, including finances and cost estimates.”

    I await your detailed, common sensed analysis.

    Now about Rauner’s “failure” to create any jobs: His firm started with 4 partners four years ago. As Quinn is fond of ridiculing, it now has 51 partners and many more hired support staff over a period of 25 years. He is sure renting a lot of downtown office space for just “one” job creation over a quarter century. And that is just his own personal firm. Why he didn’t highlight that during the last debate remains a mystery to me.

    But then, the loud noise drowned out those type of facts. And yours is the loudest around.


  56. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 9:01 am:

    ===Willy, there you go again!===

    Fun! lol

    ===You wouldn’t anyway, you are too busy carping from the sidelines nonstop.===

    You don’t know what I do, don’t do, it’s speculation, with a shot, because going after me is easier than discussing the issues…

    Further,

    ===Give me concrete, specific examples and programs on how to rebuild the party, including finances and cost estimates.”===

    Use the “search” key, I discuss the ground game, how to best go about it, and even how resources are mismanaged.

    Look to after the 2010 debacle and “4 votes a precinct” where I discuss allocation of resources. November. Start there.

    You read, you’re not comprehending.

    ===Now about Rauner’s “failure” to create any jobs: His firm started with 4 partners four years ago. As Quinn is fond of ridiculing, it now has 51 partners and many more hired support staff over a period of 25 years.===

    The guy’s company handles hundreds of millions of dollars, creates 47 jobs?

    ===Why he didn’t highlight that during the last debate remains a mystery to me.===

    Not to me.

    Rauner was dinged for not hiring one AA.

    Can’t bring up …47…jobs…not one AA.

    No way could he highlight it. Not a chance, a door he can’t walk through.

    ===But then, the loud noise drowned out those type of facts. And yours is the loudest around.===

    If “drown” our means refute them, with no counter, yeah, that’s what was going on.


  57. - Wordslinger - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 9:06 am:

    Louis, I think you’re confusing yourself.

    Read your last post, your chronology doesn’t make any sense.You can’t start a firm four years ago and then hire people for it over a period of 25 years.

    Unless you use the Rauner budget math, I guess.

    Rather than get all twisted up, why don’t you just repeat Rauner’s campaign message on his successful businesses and creating jobs?


  58. - Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 2:27 pm:

    Word you are right. I should have 25 years ago instead of 4. That early morning stuff is to blame.


  59. - Louis G Atsaves - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 2:30 pm:

    OW: You do understand the difference between 4 partners and 47 partners? If you think only 51 partners work there with absolutely no support staff to assist them, let me know and I will send over a Libertarian ballot for you to fill out.


  60. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 31, 14 @ 3:04 pm:

    ===OW: You do understand the difference between 4 partners and 47 partners?===

    You do understand no AA? You think on that.

    ===If you think only 51 partners work there with absolutely no support staff to assist them, let me know===

    So that support staff works for no AA? Think on that too.

    ===I will send over a Libertarian ballot for you to fill out.===

    Nah, I’m a Republican. No question. Won’t support the Blago of the GOP. You choose to do so, if you dinged Dems for supporting Blago, like MJM or others, make sure you take all the stones out of your glass house before it’s too late.

    I will leave Governor blank. Period. You can’t make me what I’m not. I’m a Republican, not a Raunerite.


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