Durkin is a truth teller. Please let it be that he was misunderstood on this,
If he means it plain and simple, then this is bad news indeed — and probably leaves only shorting the pension funding as a way to legitimately balance the 2016 budget. Or de facto government shutdown with blame missiles in all directions.
Let’s talk numbers. If the HGOP is struggling to gin up enough votes for Rauner’s $3B in proposed cuts now, how are they going to swallow the $3B more he will need in cuts, if they don’t short pensions or raise tax revenue?
I am hoping Leaders Durkin and Radogno, along with Governor Rauner, remember Bruce Rauner was the one as “Governor-Elect” that requested letting the 5% sunset.
Bruce Rauner, along with the GOP, own the “Rauner Cuts”, and the “Rauner allowing funding to end” jackets.
Today, as that sits, this is a big political gamble/mistake.
“Who” is going to want to run on these, on purpose?
“Who” is going to want to be recruited to run for the GA, under these parameters?
“Who”…”Who” will want to say in their district, “Yeah, that stinks. Too bad.”
Rauner has no intention on building the ILGOP GA. Rauner’s full intent is to run, and disrespect the the ILGOP and be Owls, Owls that are a number. 67. That’s it.
If there is intent on leverage by using FY2015 “no revenues” to force Dems to require revenues, no one is paying attention. Or…Rauner doesn’t respect the ILGOP GA. At all. Leveraging FY2015 won’t play out well; MJM and Cullerton can wait this out. Why? They will just make sure maximum damage is inflicted. All 67 will be on Rauner’s Cuts, and all 67 will either vote for and two will sponsor revenue bills.
All the ILGOP GA “perfect no tax pledges” will have blemishes.
You can’t game this out any way but the ILGOP GA will be screaming at Rauner, Rauber will retaliate, be the Tom Hagen he is, and let the seats fall where they may.
If the question is “Will this gain seats for the GOP, or cost seats?” and the answer is cost seats, then congratulations ILGOP GA, you aren’t independent anymore.
The ILGOP GA will long for the day, they were Mushrooms and not Owls. Sandack won’t mind. Sandack needs Uihilne happy.
President Cullerton said something after meeting with Rauner and the other 3 Tops that told where the ILGOP GA stood;
Cullerton said he (Rauner) nedded to put GOP votes on things.
When Cullerton talked past Durkin and Radogno, and told Rauner the score, speaking like the GOP leaders weren’t in the room…to the press…it’s Rauner’s Raunerite Caucuses, for at least 10, no 8, no 6…
You’re in trouble ILGOP GA, either you know it, or don’t, or worse, so scared, you know it and can’t do anything about it…
This is totally irresponsible by Durkin. I guess they are hoping that the Democrats can be the responsible ones and that they will push the increase through themselves. Once that’s done, rather than thanking the Democrats for rescuing the budget they can go around screaming that the Democrats raised everyone’s taxes. I don’t see anyway Madigan will accommodate them on this.
Other repercussions of this besides drastic service cuts, are a degrading of the state bond rating if pension payments are skipped.
Remember, Rauner told us in the primary that we “might need to shut things down for awhile.” So, that is the strategy. It has to be. Or there is a complete lack of strategy and massive destruction is a biproduct of inept leadership.
This does put a pall over the prospects of a capital program. I’m sure Durkin would come up with some creative wording to justify a vote, but I don’t see the Dems allowing it without some quid pro quo on revenue enhancements.
I scooped Rich, here is the plan. An EO will be out one of these Friday’s to announce the formation of the “Waste and Fraud Task Force.” This group, half nominated by Rauner and the other half by IPI, will audit the state and uncover at least 2 billion dollars in “waste and fraud” to be cut.
At the end of his taxpayer funded speech he got in his taxpayer funded vehicle and used his taxpayer funded phone to make an appointment with his taxpayer funded doctor. Then he blasted the poor for asking for food and medical care and went to a dinner paid for by lobbists. Since the ethics act allows 50 a day in free food…..
Statements like this make it clear why we’re in this mess and just replace any remaining hope for our state with despair. Is it too much to hope for some grownups to deal with our problems? I guess so.
Watch us smash that iceberg into ice cubes! Full speed ahead!
Seriously, though, the small construction contractors I have talked to don’t want a services tax, they would rather have the income tax at 5%. Rauner’s services tax would mean the state would make money on every job they do, even if they (contractors) lose money or just break even.
“Looks like the tax eaters are gonna have to get used to their new diet.”
How does one get ‘used’ to breathing w/out the assistance of a ventilator? Exactly?
I love the term ‘tax eater’ as well. I suppose then all of the personal exemptions you use on your taxes…you politely decline? I mean after all one man’s exemption is another’s ‘tax eating’ revenue device.
And lastly, I sure hope you’ve already informed social security that you’ll not be taking it, or medicare. Because the amounts paid out far exceed your contributions. Sure hate for you to become an ‘eater’ and all that.
I actually agree that this hurts the Republicans (As I keep saying, budget chaos redounds to the legislature’s benefit). It’s just, y’know, DC Republicans may not think they “lost” the shutdown showdown, or that if they did, it didn’t matter.
@ Iron Duke:
“Rauner’s budget is completely irresponsible but the 2015 budget was fine. Does that sum it up pretty well?”
Did you just move to Illinois, and start reading this blog? We’ve been saying since the 15 budget came out it’s a bad one.
Stop being the victim. Rauner bought the hot seat, and the excuse of ‘hey this isn’t my problem’ only works so well.
The issue with Rauner is that there is zero discussion about revenues, but only cuts. And the cuts are for programs directed at the least fortunate. Like children on ventilators, parents who are working, but need help to provide child care during working hours (and who will be out of work, and require MORE public assistance w/out it).
HOWEVER, Rauner sees fit to RAISE the amount of ‘free money’ that goes to motorcycle training. So that the most fortunate of population can get free motorcycle training lessons.
While children are being denied funding to cover the cost of ventilators.
===Only the Republicans are being unreasonable.===
What is unreasonable is thinking that the “Rauner Cuts” and Rauner demanding that the 5% tax level expiring isn’t a jacket to be worn by Rauner.
They are “Rauner Cuts”, until a structured roll call passes signed and achieved for the FY2015 fix, and a structured roll call is done, passed, and signed for FY2016.
===Rauner’s budget is completely irresponsible but the 2015 budget was fine. Does that sum it up pretty well?===
Further, no one said FY2015 wasn’t irresponsible, but allowing revenue to sunset with cuts still not fixing the gap…and…proposing a FY2016 budget with $2.2 Billion in phony savings and touting $1.9 “loss” of revenue based on a fiscal fairy tale, yeah, that’s Rauner’s.
“Democrats don’t want to cut anything from the budget”
Almost every Democrat I’ve heard from has said that there does need to be cuts. They all certainly voted for some 2009-2014.
” The November election never happened and Quinn is still Governor.”
No, but Bruce Rauner isn’t the only person who won an election in November. What’s a Senate Dem supposed to do, tell his constituents, “Yeah, you voted for me and my platform, but some other guy won some other race I wasn’t even involved in, so I gotta vote with him.”? Democratic legitimacy cuts a few different ways.
The State Constitution requires that Rauner “prepare and submit to the General Assembly. . . a State budget for the ensuing fiscal year,” and that the budget sets forth “the estimated balance of funds available for appropriation at the beginning of the fiscal year, the estimated receipts, and a plan for expenditures and obligations during the fiscal year of every department, authority, public corporation and quasi-public corporation of the State, every State college and university, and every other public agency created by the State. . . . ” Under the State Budget Act, Rauner’s budget was supposed to be introduced by “the third Wednesday in February.” So, where’s his budget? Where’s the outcry that it hasn’t been introduced? Or am I missing something?
Senator Durkin said that the Democrats were not willing to make any significant budget cuts. They also were not willing to raise taxes before the election. Some may have been willing to raise taxes after the election( real profiles in courage)
Willy you are such a know it all. I bet you were a great guy to know on the playground. I did pass my 8th grade civics class but thanks for the refresher. Sounds like no compromise is what you are hoping for and a long summer in Springfield.
I want a compromise that can have a structured roll call and won’t get vetoed for both FY2015 and FY2016, with the least amount of damage to the ILGOP GA, in hopes that the GOP GA Caucuses can sustain damage, and even grow.
This isn’t a newspaper blog where “Senator Durkin” drivel is accepted, and not understanding the politics of governing is accepted.
Being a victim to “whomever”, that’s isn’t really looked upon too highly either.
Compromise is the result of two reasonable alternatives being changed into something both sides can agree on, but not necessarily what they want.
The Gov has offered nothing ‘reasonable’.
If I were to make an analogy to your post it would be this.
Let’s say you were going to sell you home, and a buyer asked for a tour. At the conclusion of the tour they said “You are asking $400,000″. I’m countering, and my counter offer is this “Tonight I’m going to stop by at 1:00am burn your house down; then I’ll buy the lot for $20,000″.
And your Realtor says “Well, I guess it’s time to compromise”
=So the Dems listen to Rauner in the Spring session and I am the troll?=
No, you are misinformed though. Is that on purpose? The Democratic leadership and former governor’s have not been given a pass here.
We have a new governor now (in case you missed it) and his job is to propose a budget. He works for the citizens of the entire state, not just the ones that voted for him or the uber wealthy. Everyone.
Maybe, the issue is we have a revenue problem. That is harder for a politician to admit. Cuts and Revenue says the speaker. Sounds like an olive branch to me. No tricks says the candidate. Not seeing that so far. I expected different since he said he would be. Not so far though.
A Bob: I have known the Durkin family for years, they are decent public servants, until today…Rauner is taking hostage moderate Republicans with his shenanigans, and they are allowing it, because they are afraid of his 20 million being used against their re-election campaign…just sayin…how does this differ from the tactics the opposition has used? Because they cannot shelter themselves from the a bully, does that imply that they should go along to save trheir own skin?
So how much are the democrats willing to cut and how much revenue do they want to raise? Sees like a reasonable question. Maybe when we know we can have an informed debate instead of the nonsense that is going on now.
One other way to look at is you cut up your credit cards and try to live within your means. Illinois lost 95,000 residents last year who left our dysfunctional state. Just raising taxes without any reforms seems unrealistic and unwise.
The only good to come of Durkin’s remarks (from my perspective) is that the policy will motivate Democratic voters and independents to go to the polls in 2016, and will further tarnish the “R” brand in Illinois for many years. Sorry, Sen. Kirk. But this, too, will pass, although many innocents will suffer, as we go back to the late 1800s when charities and churches did what has come to be the state’s business.
@Duke- Maybe they left because they were tired of waiting for the state to pay them the $6 Billion they were owed.
BTW- that credit card has a heck of a lot charged up on it and not by PQ, he charged the least actually. He showed a bit of fiscal responsibility. Rauner just wants to get out of paying the debt but Illinois is not another one of his bust out deals.
If you dive into the numbers, you will find the Dems have cut chunks out of ongoing operating expenses, and staff, in recent years, but have spent more in a pension catchup, and paying down old bills. They fully expect cuts to continue to occur, they just want to fight over one or more of them. Anything any of them have said publicly would lead to that conclusion.
So far Leader Durkin has announced “no new tax revenue.”
Show me any Democratic leader or GA member who has recently announced “no new cuts.”
You can sit with your predetermined perspective, or you can learn a bit more.
“So how much are the democrats willing to cut and how much revenue do they want to raise? ”
“Go back to 8th grade civics”
Yeah, the problem is way beyond 8th grade civics. Political reality is budget problems hurt the Governor, not the legislature.
“One other way to look at is you cut up your credit cards and try to live within your means. ”
Yeah, that’s a way to look at it, just not a correct one. Rauner’s budget still relies on $2 billion worth of magical thinking, and it’s pretty rich to say we’re “living within our means” after cutting taxes. We’ve got a lot of “means” left on the table.
“Just raising taxes without any reforms seems unrealistic and unwise.”
Just cutting everything besides motorcycle safety classes IS unrealistic and unwise.
BTW, a big part of the reason Quinn lost is that he already cut quite a few sacred cows (and tried to cut more). I know why you need to ignore this fact, but it is nonetheless true.
The GOP GA needs to worry more about the opinions of their constituents that enter the voting booth than what Governor 1% wants. The ill will of all voters towards what is happening is growin’ and no amount of money will get them re-elected if they don’t separate themselves from this callous man. IMHO
=So much for the coequal branch they have no responsibility right? Go back to 8th grade civics=
Really? That is your dig?
You may have wandered on to the wrong spot there fella. While snark is appreciated and there is the occasional dope thrown around it is usually fairly well earned. But your ignorance is undeserving of the latter, your are, with all due respect, deserving of your own fate. Sadness.
=== they have been and still are more than just decent public servants, they are good ones. Jim is acting out his current role. Scripts get re-written and characters get evolved.
I’m much more interested in what he (and the other leaders) are saying about May 28th than what they are saying March 16. ===
Steve, in my youth I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. We all know the games that are played - played them myself when I worked for and with the General Assembly. But as I’ve seen the increasing decline in the quality of state government and the adverse impact on the people it serves, I have soured on how our elected officials are playing their roles nowadays.
The focus is now on trying to placate the extremists among their partisans out of intransigent belief or fear of defeat. Working on compromises with the other side of the aisle to address problems has become a sin in today’s politics. Our public servants and their supporters are more interested in vilifying opponents than co-opting or cooperating with them to make things better.
You infer that we may hold out some hope with an evolving script that may result in acquiescence to some revenue enhancement. That may be the case. I suspect it to be the case. Today’s “definitive” statement that the GOP will “not be supporting any new revenue” can then only be seen as a deceptive pronouncement for political posturing.
I have a hard time accepting the characterization that folks who engage in deception, obfuscation and political posturing are decent and good public servants. I would agree that most are decent people and good politicians, but serving the public they are not.
I sit here with this quixotic hope that our elected officials would one day accept the challenge of becoming decent public servants focused more on working towards solutions not partisan advantage.
As I have said, when the Four Tops and the Governor get together, then they have my attention. Still believe that.
What you commented is my absolute fear, the reality;
Durkin and Rauner now are going way beyond the Thompson Pivot to make the Dems own the revenue increases that will be required to make this budget work. They both now are going to have their words, and their public word mean very little.
It’s beyond posturing, it’s beyond politics. This is declarative. By both. Well beyond a game of chicken too.
You are On It - Norseman -, because of theses statements, and their absolutes.
ChiTownSeven I agree with you that there have been zero budget bills submitted to the appropriation committees. I have to wonder what the point was yesterday having a hearing in Chicago about a DHS budget that has not yet been filed. It made the news with horror stories about the proposed budget that is on line but not submitted to the Assembly. I wonder how many of the reporters covering that hearing yesterday even understood that.
===I sit here with this quixotic hope that our elected officials would one day accept the challenge of becoming decent public servants focused more on working towards solutions not partisan advantage.===
It is indeed a quixotic hope, Norseman, but I have that hope too. There’s always hope.
But when the partisan extremists are the one’s financing your, or your opponent’s campaign with the goal of being a better conman, playing to the public’s worst fears and prejudices in order to garner their purposely misinformed vote, hiding your true agenda, why would they?
OW hopes for a person’s moral compass to guide their actions in the end, but I don’t think there are many left with a moral compass that’s moral enough to actually not be co-opted by the extremists who finance them. Those people you and I hope for aren’t the ones who run for office anymore.