* That AFSCME memo last week which talked about the possible use of the Illinois National Guard in case of a strike caught the attention of Kurt Erickson…
“The Illinois National Guard will not comment about our internal planning, particularly in regards to speculation of what the Governor might or might not order the National Guard to do in a scenario that may or may not happen,” Lt. Col. Brad Leighton said in an email.
Rauner spokeswoman Catherine Kelly did not deny that a National Guard deployment is under consideration.
* But a former Illinois Guard top commander is opposed…
State Rep. David Harris, an Arlington Heights Republican who served as adjutant general from 1999 to 2003, said he would advise Gov. Bruce Rauner against such a move.
“It’s a terribly impractical and, in my opinion, inadvisable idea,” Harris said Monday. “You’re going to replace paper-pushers — with all due respect to bureaucrats — with people who carry M-16s and .45 pistols?”
- Bluefish - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:13 pm:
“You’re going to replace paper-pushers — with all due respect to bureaucrats — with people who carry M-16s and .45 pistols?”
That’s one way to keep complaints to a minimum.
- Joe M - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:13 pm:
Rep. Harris’ portrayal of both state employees and folks in the National Guard seems to be rather narrow in both cases. None the less, he is right that it is a bad idea.
- Norseman - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:13 pm:
And laboratory workers, nurses, physicians, architects, highway engineers and so forth and so forth.
- Stones - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:14 pm:
Clearly an asinine idea. Does he really think this is advisable or is this simply more posturing?
- Norseman - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:16 pm:
And if a tornado devastates an area, we’ll have to activate the guard from their scab jobs to assist.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:17 pm:
===Rauner spokeswoman Catherine Kelly did not deny that a National Guard deployment is under consideration.===
Let’s be very, very clear;
If any Union member working in the state of Illinois believes Rauner is looking out for working men and women, the Governor wants to require Soldiers… to work, as a labor force to replace your brothers and sister.
A military operation, designated to keep the givernment working while civilians who were working will be out of jobs.
The appearances? This will blow up on the governor, and it will be a wound that could unite Labor against the “Bought GOP” for a long, long time.
Rauner cares less about the ILGOP and the GOP GA, and thinks even less of the workers in state government, and the Union workers of the state of Illinois.
The “only” thing worse (can you believe it CAN be worse?)? Having the Guard show up at these jobs in fatigues.
Wow. The images are shocking, and not good for any Governor.
- illinoised - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:18 pm:
The theory being that any warm body can step in to handle any job position regardless of the skill level and the acumen needed to successfully perform the job requirements? As Paul McCartney replied when John Lennon suggested that the feuding Beatles get back on track by going out and playing at small pubs, “That’s daft.”
- Norseman - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:18 pm:
Can you see a guard going to his employer and telling him that he’s being activated to be a paper pusher. The employer has to lose a skilled employee for how long because of Rauner’s desire to shut down state government.
- Nearly Normal - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:19 pm:
Well, that might get Fox News lead time away from Donald Trump!
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:20 pm:
IL NATIONAL GUARD TO OCCUPY STATE AGENCIES
- SAP - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:20 pm:
Norseman: That’s godless, killer tornado.
- Allen D - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:21 pm:
I think this part of the AFSCME rhetoric is nothing more than RHETORIC that is being used to spin people up… as it shows here… I think they are wise not to comment on it and give any ammunition to comment further on, people here are giving them enough voice to spin for a month.
- Pete - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:22 pm:
The “only” thing worse (can you believe it CAN be worse?)? Having the Guard show up at these jobs in fatigues.
Wow. The images are shocking, and not good for any Governor.
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Soldiers marching through a picket line. What is the image?
Union pick line call the guard scabs?
Union pick line claps to support the service men and women?
I wonder how the Union would respond to military that comes in to do their jobs?
- North Shore Joe - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:22 pm:
Less of a plan and more just a slap in the face. “Anybody could do this job,” is what he’s saying.
- downstate - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:22 pm:
Don’t know how much money will actually be saved as there are not enough full-timers in the Guard to fill all the jobs they would need to and activating traditional Guard members would mean you have to pay them according to military pay tables.
- 47th Ward - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:23 pm:
Imagine waiting for a drivers license renewal, when in walks your Secretary of State customer assistant/drill sergeant: “ON YOUR FEET MAGGOTS!”
Yeah, maybe start with some back-of-the-house operations before you bring the Guardsmen in for customer service jobs.
- JS Mill - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:23 pm:
‘The employer has to lose a skilled employee for how long because of Rauner’s desire to shut down state government.”
Not to get picky here Norse but he would be keeping state government open. But, it would not come without a price to our economy as you pull people from their regular jobs. It is hyperbole but there is truth to the idea he is keeping state offices running at the peril of our state economy.
And God forbid an actual crisis came along while the women and men of our National Guard are “pushing paper”! That would be very bad.
- Honeybear - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:23 pm:
Okay, it’s been some years since I was a Navy LT but I’m remembering something about military not taking civilian control except in a disaster or state emergency. Am I wrong here?
- Demoralized - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:24 pm:
Careful. The Governor of Texas might advise the Governor’s of Indiana and Wisconsin to send a letter to Governor Rauner asking him to clarify his intentions.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:25 pm:
===I wonder how the Union would respond to military that comes in to do their jobs?===
An occupying force, ordered by the Governor.
It’s the Governor the Guard will represent. The Office of the Governor, ordering soldiers, to occupy and run state agencies.
Not. Pretty.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:25 pm:
There will be no strike. If he locks out AFSCME prison guards he will use Nat. Guard in their place.
- Tournaround Agenda - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:26 pm:
How much will it cost per day to use the National Guard to staff all state functions deemed essential by the Rauner administration? Serious question here.
- Leave a Light on George - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:27 pm:
“Imagine waiting for a drivers license renewal, when in walks your Secretary of State customer assistant/drill sergeant: “ON YOUR FEET MAGGOTS!”
This might improve waiting times at some SOS faclities!!
- Allen D - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:27 pm:
“IF” this were true, you do know that there is a high % of state workers in the Guard right…. so if AFSCME and other unions strike, they are called back to work through the Guard activation… HRMMM
food for thought or more SPIN?
- Abe the Babe - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:27 pm:
State employees test water sources, inspect electricity substations, investigate pipeline explosions, test gasoline pumps for accurate measures, investigate wrong doing by professionals, carry out sensitive reviews of households with domestic violence issues and etc.
Yes many do push papers but the better reason to oppose this is that NG officers, as smart as im sure they are, simply cannot do these functions effectively.
It would be a terrible PR stunt. As least when Rod threatened it (which was also a bad idea) the NG officers could have performed the expected duties as it related to crime in chicago.
Sadly ive been forced to start a hashtag…
#atleastwhenRoddidit…
- Formerly Known As... - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:27 pm:
Desperate times.
Creative, and if legal, possibly better than the alternative for those who rely on state services.
Between the retirees, the National Guard, and whatever else Gov Rauner thinks of, he is finding ways of diminishing any leverage his opponents have in these negotiations. This definitely ain’t beanbag.
- North Shore Joe - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:27 pm:
47th Ward, Sounds like something right out of the Onion.
- Tex - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:28 pm:
I wonder how much more it would cost (potentially) to active the IL National Guard vs. keeping the actual professional “Bureaucrats” on the payroll. Last I recall, the Feds bill the state for most of their activities and the State usually only gets a reimbursement if a national disaster has been declared and approved… but I could be wrong?
Every time I see things like this, I can’t help but think of a manic cartoon dog that yells “Squirrel!” mid thought as he runs off to chase it.
Here’s a thought taken from the page of Donald Trump. Let’s just lease the rights to the IL State Government to a production studio and film the day-to-day operations as a reality TV show. We may get out of this budget hole yet! Any thoughts on potential titles or plot twists?
- ananamous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:30 pm:
The State Guard Act:
(20 ILCS 1815/2) (from Ch. 129, par. 230)
Sec. 2. Whenever the Governor as Commander-in-Chief of the military forces of the State, deems it necessary or advisable for the purpose of executing the laws of the State, or of preventing actual or threatened violation thereof, such as suppressing actual or threatened insurrection, invasion, tumult, riots, or mobs, or when the nation is at war and a requisition or order has been made, or is likely to be made, by the President of the United States calling the National Guard, or parts thereof, into the National service, or for any other emergency, the Governor may issue a proclamation or call for volunteer companies, battalions, regiments, brigades, or other units of land and air forces to be known as the Illinois State Guard which shall be formed and organized from the unorganized militia of the State, consisting of all able-bodied citizens between the ages of 18 and 45 years, and of other able-bodied citizens between the ages of 45 and 55 years, as enlisted personnel, and of commissioned officers and warrant officers, when made necessary by an emergency. (Source: P.A. 85-1241.)
- Me too - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:30 pm:
Are you or are you not going to process these TPS reports?
- Just me - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:31 pm:
I’m so ashamed of Illinois.
- Rich Miller - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:31 pm:
===and of other able-bodied citizens between the ages of 45 and 55 years===
You mean I gotta take a state job?
- Norseman - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:32 pm:
Point taken J.S. Mill. I was playing off the point that Rauner has indicated that if it required a shutdown of state govt to fix things then that’s what he would do. To be more precise, his desire to force an impasse to get rid of the union is leading to a need for him to come up with face saving measures to deflect blame from himself.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:32 pm:
===and of other able-bodied citizens between the ages of 45 and 55 years===
Yikes! Just when I stopped looking out my window out of fear…
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:33 pm:
“Between the retirees, the National Guard, and whatever else Gov Rauner thinks of, he is finding ways of diminishing any leverage his opponents have in these negotiations.”
No stike. He is going to lock them out and has to make it seem like he has replacements lined up. Plus he has included pensions and coercion in his negotiation which is not a fair labor practice in this instance and will lose badly in labor court.
- downstate - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:33 pm:
To Tex and others, the Guard can be activated under the State Active Duty provision but money would have to be appropriated by Illinois. Big Army wouldn’t pick up the tab for this.
- D.P.Gumby - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:34 pm:
And Texas was worried about Jade Helm 15!! We’ve got our own Governor trying to use the National Guard to take over the state!!
- Highspeed - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:34 pm:
So we would replace state paid workers with state paid workers. Why that’s brilliant just brilliant!!
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:36 pm:
GOV. RAUNER USES MILITARY POWERS TO RUN STATE GOVERNMENT
- Norseman - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:37 pm:
=== You mean I gotta take a state job? ===
Rich, you’ll love reporting to Lance and ck.
- The Muse - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:37 pm:
It’s hard for me to believe that Gov. Rauner wants to actually govern our state. You’re going to force National Guard members, many of whom come from union backgrounds, to act as a filler while he shuts down the government?? Am I missing the part about how he “wins” (in the meantime the state loses) that “campaign?”
- Qui Tam - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:38 pm:
Harris’ comment is misinformed, many Army and Air National Guard members have professional and technical jobs outside the Guard and specialized duties inside the Guard. (Gen. Harris has never been known for his smarts.)
I wonder how many ARNG ANG members are also state employees?
Would they be activated to go back to their regular state jobs?
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:40 pm:
“… From his undisclosed Command Bunker in Illinois, Gov. Rauner, Commander-In-Chief of the military operation of occupying his own state agencies, announced today…”
- Archiesmom - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:40 pm:
This will teach me not to say “it can’t get any worse.”
- Scabtime - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:41 pm:
Is he going to declare martial law under the capitol dome? Even this suggestion is reckless and divisive.
- PolPal56 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:41 pm:
Yeah, all of those requirements to do the jobs are a sham, don’t ya know? Anyone can just step right in and do them instantly, with no training or education. Ha! How much time will be wasted simply trying to figured out many agencies’ antiquated computer programming?
- Norseman - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:43 pm:
The refreshing thing is you have a GOP Solon willing to say something critical about a Rauner initiative.
- Nope, Nope, Nope - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:45 pm:
I can only imagine the king-sized freak out Rauner’s base would have had if Obama had deployed the military to occupy government offices during the federal shut down.
- Tex - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:48 pm:
Thanks downstate. I figured there would be an price tag here… just not sure if it’s even feasible. “Big Army”, as you put it, would definitely not pay the tab here… this one’s all on Illinois… as usual.
I think our fine Guardsmen and women have much more important things to do than processing procurement forms for printers or denying legitimate FOIAs on behalf of the Administration.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:48 pm:
And wouldn’t be odd if Obama then federalized the troops and invoked Taft-Hartley to order a cooling down period?
- Honeybear - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:51 pm:
-Whenever the Governor as Commander-in-Chief of the military forces of the State, deems it necessary or advisable for the purpose of executing the laws of the State-
Precisely what laws would they be executing? Do they know the laws pertaining to SNAP, Medicaid, TANF? Could a soldier be asked to execute those laws? Sure traffic control maybe, but what makes the Rauner administration think they would even be able to sign on to our antiquated computer systems? I’m not getting this.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:55 pm:
It is too embarrassing to say much. This smacks of something……totalitarianism or militarism or I don’t know, but definitely an action by governor to squelch the little guy, the worker. Such need for almighty power! Anyone ever heard of worker morale and it’s connection to good job performance?
- Anonymous Redux - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 3:57 pm:
GOV. RAUNER USES MILITARY POWERS TO RUN STATE GOVERNMENT - Oswego Willy
Best (cost free) headline for Union recruitment ever!
Rauner’s Rangers take control over Illinois?
Yeah! That’s the ticket!…that’ll show us who we they are really dealing with!
What could possibly go wrong?
Any eighteen year old National Guardsman can do just about anything?
ShShShakin’ all over?
- Arthur Andersen - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:05 pm:
Just to be a tad contrarian, CMS might work better after a few months of drill and KP.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:09 pm:
“… While proving he is up to the task of leading a civilian government, Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner used military personnel today to continue operating state government under the free election he won last November… “
- AC - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:10 pm:
Arthur Andersen - I’d much rather see the Guard take over the management rather than the operations of the state.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:13 pm:
“Just to be a tad contrarian, CMS might work better after a few months of drill and KP.”
It sure wouldn’t of hurt your namesake, Art.
- AC - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:13 pm:
In fairness to Governor Rauner, the National Guard motto “Always Ready, Always There” doesn’t necessarily exclude functioning as replacement workers.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:18 pm:
===In fairness to Governor Rauner, the National Guard motto “Always Ready, Always There” doesn’t necessarily exclude functioning as replacement workers.===
The military would be occupying state agencies in the place of civilian workers, who are at odds with the Executive of Illinois government. That Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard is choosing to have military personnel do the functions of government than find common ground with a workforce of the citizens that elected him, freely.
I can see this working out swell…
- IllinoisBoi - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:18 pm:
This state is becoming a madhouse. Who can stop it?
- Willi P - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:18 pm:
The military uses 9mm not .45. I would assume the state’s AG and a veteran would know that.
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:23 pm:
I can say this for certain. If there is a shutdown there will be no public assistance benefits. That will come to halt. And I’m not just talking about the local offices. Even if there were some sort of staff pulling that off it would be like flicking a light switch that isn’t wired. If the IT folks aren’t there ain’t nothing going to move period. Bring in all the retirees, NG or superstars you want, nothing will move. And if that goes on too long he will need the guard but not to for what he thought. These folks don’t get their benefit they’ll most likely take to the street and they won’t be carrying signs.
- Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:27 pm:
Hmmm … imagine if Gov. Rauner hadn’t vetoed the National Guard budget. Imagine if he signed the one-month budget that includes National Guard salary.
Illinois, the land of imagination.
- Troy Bien - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:27 pm:
I like it. I like it a lot.
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:28 pm:
In fact, part of SNAP. TANF and medical is subsidized by the Feds. But if our system isn’t running and folks don’t get what they are entitled to I imagine there could be ramifications for the state.
- AC - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:28 pm:
==The military would be occupying state agencies in the place of civilian workers, who are at odds with the Executive of Illinois government. That Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard is choosing to have military personnel do the functions of government than find common ground with a workforce of the citizens that elected him, freely.==
I needed to add a /s tag to my comment, this type of action wouldn’t just be unprecedented, it would be ridiculous, and seems to be yet another test of some crazy legal theory. I don’t even want to try to guess what’s next.
- Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:28 pm:
When David Harris talks about the dangers of replacing paper pushers with soldiers, I listen. He knows what he’s talking about.
- Left Leaner - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:29 pm:
Has he completely lost his marbles?
Who’ll get him first: The extreme right who fear military government takeover or the extreme right who believe all government workers are nothing more than lazy paper pushers? Wait…or are they the same people?! *snark
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:30 pm:
===I like it. I like it a lot.===
Instead of a drive-by, make your case. I’d be thrilled to hear this.
- Sam Weinberg - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:32 pm:
The list of powerful people the Speaker has beaten is long, but the list of powerful people the Speaker has caused to beat themselves is much longer.
- Ducky LaMoore - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:33 pm:
Bruce Rauner: Illinois’ answer to Enver Hoxha! Good luck, Brucie.
- JS Mill - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:34 pm:
=Hmmm … imagine if Gov. Rauner hadn’t vetoed the National Guard budget. Imagine if he signed the one-month budget that includes National Guard salary.=
Thought provoking comment!
What if he calls them up and they aren’t there?
Decisions (and elections) have consequences.
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:36 pm:
Please let my lottery ticket be a winner!!! Lol
- Casual Observer - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:38 pm:
“What if e calls them up and they aren’t there”?
Missouri attacks.
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:38 pm:
If it does win I’m gonna retire and join that wine club the governor belongs too.
- Dirty Red - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:39 pm:
This idea strikes me as bad on so many levels.
I wonder how the NFIB and Chamber feel about their members having to do without their ILNG employees because they have been deployed to somebody else’s job.
How will those ILNG enrolled in classes paid for by the Guard keep up with their studies if they are deployed to the Capitol and JRTC? Can the universities and community colleges continue to expect those tuition dollars? Will those ILNG that have to suspend their studies still receive that GI benefit in full when they return from this deployment?
I imagine the day care providers will be more than happy to take on an influx of children whose parents/guardians have been called into active duty at a DHS that cannot voucher Action for Children payments.
- Bulldog58 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:39 pm:
I wonder is SB1229 looks more appealing to the GOP members of the General Assembly now?
- Educated in the Suburbs - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:40 pm:
How many people does that affect and how happy are they — and their employers — going to be that they are having to take leave from their civilian jobs because AFSCME has been locked out?
- Downstate GOP Faithless - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:40 pm:
I did not read the entire, thread, admittedly, so apologies if this is already asked. I have a question though…and I mean this…what if a striking employee is also an activated Guardsman?
- Downstate GOP Faithless - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:41 pm:
Oh yeah, and i agree that Rep. Harris’ inability to articulate his point clearly undercut his…well…point
- Dirty Red - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:42 pm:
= what if a striking employee is also an activated Guardsman? =
What if a non-striking employee is an activated Guardsman?
- Chairman McBroom - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:42 pm:
==A military operation, designated to keep the givernment working while civilians who were working will be out of jobs.==
@Oswego Willy, Is “giverment” a Freudian slip?
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:42 pm:
I wondered that too, what if some were state employees. Would they be ordered to cross picket line? Would that even be legal?
- john - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:44 pm:
Sam W - nicely worded comment.
- Troy Bien - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:45 pm:
Its bold and innovative. Its delicious frankly.
If it could be done I think it would show, that with very few exceptions, the skills of our state employee workforce are not so specialized that they cannot be replaced with employees that deliver the same level of services at a lower cost.
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:47 pm:
It’s fun to joke about but I don’t think the NG will be called in to fill in. But you got to hand it to him he really knows how to think outside the box.
- Anon - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:48 pm:
==The military uses 9mm not .45. I would assume the state’s AG and a veteran would know that==
When Harris entered the military, he would have learned on the M1911 in 45ACP. He probably knows they use 9mm (for now), the .45 is probably just ingrained in him from boot camp.
- Anon - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:49 pm:
As a union state employee and retired National Guard member it would be really hard to be called up to replace myself in a state job. This has nightmare written all over it.
- Bulldog58 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:50 pm:
-what if some were state employees. Would they be ordered to cross picket line? Would that even be legal-
If they are given a lawful order to cross the picket line they would have to follow that order, the Uniform Code of Military Justice would apply in that situation.
- Wensicia - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:50 pm:
After the military coup, does Rauner declare himself Supreme Leader?
- Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:50 pm:
I’m not sure a militarized state is the answer to our problems, but martial law might get us around that pesky pension clause.
- DuPage - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:52 pm:
I think Quinn activated about 25 national guard mechanics to help fix broken down snowplows a couple winters back. That wasn’t because of a strike or lockout. It had to do with CMS, in their infinite wisdom, saving money by not hiring mechanics to replace ones that had quit or retired. So instead of preventative maintenance to keep running trucks in good order, preventive maintenance had to be deferred. The few remaining skeleton crew state mechanics were scrambling to repair the trucks after they broke down. Then polar vortex hit and a lot of trucks broke down. Quinn was lucky the NG has a large transportation division nearby that has truck mechanics. Most of the other state jobs would not have as many NGs specifically trained in other jobs. There would be quite a learning curve.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:52 pm:
===Its bold and innovative.===
Citizen soldiers being used as pawns in a labor dispute is lazy, overtly heavy-handed, and frankly a sure fire way to seem as a weak negotiating partner.
===Its delicious frankly.===
It’s delicious that men and women need to leave their own jobs or possibly their homes to do a job a governor refuses to negotiate its contract. It’s sour.
===If it could be done I think it would show, that with very few exceptions, the skills of our state employee workforce are not so specialized that they cannot be replaced with employees that deliver the same level of services at a lower cost.===
So you agree this is also to “show” that the state workforce is bloated, overpaid, and unskilled?
That would be such a great line for any governor to say about the people who will, eventually, help run his agencies again.
Labor disputes, at the end, both sides will have to work after the impasse.
I do thank you for your thoughts.
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:52 pm:
That’s a mighty big if, Troy. And it would be a disaster. If it didn’t affect so many innocent undeserving people I’d like to see it happen just to show people like you how wrong you are about us.
- CrazyHorse - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:53 pm:
Perhaps this lunacy will persuade one or two of the House Republicans to vote to override Rauner’s likely veto of SB1229. I’m doubting it but at least we can hope.
- Skeptic - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:53 pm:
Troy Bien: Are you an actuary? A computer programmer? A doctor? Nurse? Attorney? A CPA? Tax specialist? Biologist? Then I think you’re full of it. And a troll. Good day.
- Cheryl44 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:53 pm:
Has Rauner really never heard of the Republic Steel strike?
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:54 pm:
The Guard is good at search and rescue missions.
Maybe they could find the missing magic beans.
(Come to think of it, Squeezey hasn’t been seen in a while.)
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:58 pm:
- Chairman McBroom -, lol
My phone has a mind of its own, so if it has a slip, all I do is reprimand it and move on…
- lost in the weeds - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 4:59 pm:
A couple years from now. ILLINOIS INVADES TEXAS!
I knew there was a secret plan.
- Mouthy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:02 pm:
I want to take my drivers test in a tank. Wouldn’t that be cool. “Get out of my way! BEEP, BEEP! Okay, want to flip me off. KABOOM”..
- Bulldog58 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:04 pm:
-I’m not sure a militarized state is the answer to our problems, but martial law might get us around that pesky pension clause.-
I think the Illinois supreme Court already shot the AGs ‘police powers’ argument down.
- BIG R. Ph - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:04 pm:
I’m between 45-55. I will be happy to volunteer for the Medicaid office. ON YOUR FEET MAGGOTS!
- Almost the Weekend - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:06 pm:
Scott Walker did compare public unions to ISIS. I think we know who Rauner is supporting in 2016.
Alot of overlap with state workers and National Guard, it’s not smart to leave this lingering out there for the Rauner administration politically or for governing.
Both parties are over playing their hands.
- PoolGuy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:09 pm:
with stories like this it’s starting to seem like we elected Ricky Bobby as governor. if ya ain’t first, ur last
- Scmods - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:10 pm:
This is so off the wall that I just can’t believe it’s real. The national guard declining to comment makes sense. They can’t talk about operations.
I’d like to think the governor’s office refusal to comment is based on not wanting to dignify a fantasitcal rumor.
- Formerly Known As... - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:15 pm:
==Am I missing the part about how he “wins” (in the meantime the state loses) that “campaign?”==
These measures would cripple AFSCME. How long could anyone hold out under these circumstances? This involves a union with no strike fund, a replacement labor force that can stay on the job almost indefinitely, a high state unemployment rate of job seekers, and personal savings rates still low.
Who is giving their paycheck up in that environment? That ==strike== is over before it begins. And Rauner gets his national ==spotlight== as well as a ruthless but complete victory.
- Hawkeye in Illinois - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:15 pm:
If he actually did it, Rauner would one-up his role model Scott Walker and out- buffoon GOP presidential front- runner Donald Trump, thereby catapaulting him into a serious contender for the White House in 2016. Speaker Boehner should be much easier to work with than Speaker Madigan.
- Wensicia - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:15 pm:
==I’d like to think the governor’s office refusal to comment is based on not wanting to dignify a fantasitcal rumor.==
lol
I’ve yet to see a dignified response by the governor’s office on any of this mess.
- Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:17 pm:
BullDog,
What court? That court’s authority doesn’t exist in the Rauner military state.
- Anon - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:18 pm:
May I refer you to the — Weirdest. FOIA denial. Ever. — thread. Rauner and his superstars are unraveling. Governing is hard, afterall, which is why Rauner couldn’t or wouldn’t read the entire budget passed by the GA.
- Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:18 pm:
On a slightly different note, I’m all for honoring our servicemen and women, but this is taking veterans’ preference to a whole new level.
- Formerly Known As... - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:26 pm:
Another element: in the current anti-union and anti-politician environment, people are less likely to care as much who handles their paperwork or performs ground maintenance, just that it gets done.
Some who do not follow politics closely may even welcome Rauner’s attempt to override any strike. As long as basic state services keep running, the rest becomes a blur of politics to most people.
The fact Rauner has already reached an agreement with the Teamsters also makes it more difficult to tag him as an unreasonable negotiator. If he can reach terms with them, people will wonder why not AFSCME. I do not want this to happen, but it could be crippling to AFSCME’s negotiating strength.
- Liandro - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:27 pm:
I’m not sure this rumor is worth the hysteria at this point. I also don’t think Rich is cut out for Basic Training at this point in his life…hopefully he gets a direct commission.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:28 pm:
==Please let my lottery ticket be a winner!==
Probably out of luck there. Don’t the “little” people play the lottery. Guv will probably confiscate that pot next. No one should get any money…….ever.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:30 pm:
(Snark. This is Farce, this is Snark)
For Immediate Release
Contact: Rauner Command Center.
GOVERNOR MARCHES ON TO SERVE ILLINOIS
Undisclosed Location, IL - Illinois Republican Governor Bruce Rauner today activated the Illinois National Guard to ensure vital state services continue as labor unrest continues in state government.
“I activated the men and women of the Illinois National Guard today to fulfill the promise I made to the voters of Illinois,” said Rauner in an undiscript bunker room the governor is using to command troop deployment. “It’s important that the voters understand that I will occupy my own agencies with military personnel, over the civilians I can’t negotiate with, to resolve a labor dispute without incident.”
Governor Rauner stated he will keep the National Guard in these positions until his demands are met. As with any military deployment by a governor, please refer all questions through the proper military communication channels.
Responses not cleared by military sensors will not be deemed official by the current press channels. All approved media responses will then be made through “State Radio and Media” in scripted infomercials disguised as legitimate news. Outside media distribution is encouraged, with proper credit applied.
###
(Snark. Snark. Snark)
- thoughts matter - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:32 pm:
The Teamster agreement is for 350 people in Cook county, not the majority of the Teamsters employed by the state. Furthermore, they aren’t on the state insurance plan so they aren’t subject to the premium increases and coverage decreases that AFSMCE and the rest of us would be. For all I know, they may even have their pensions as part of the National Teamsters Affiliation.
- Bulldog58 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:33 pm:
-What court? That court’s authority doesn’t exist in the Rauner military state.-
Totalitarian martial law? Over a labor dispute? Um…ok…
- kitty - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:38 pm:
As a senior Field Grade officer in a reserve component (thankfully not the overly political ILARNG) with roughly 33 years of uniformed service and State employee since days of Gov. Thompson, this is one of the most foolish ideas I’ve ever heard of pertaining to State employment. At best, it is a poor attempt at what we call “information operations” in the military, albeit with no clearly defined “target” audience. The “average” Guardsman could not perform critical, common and typical jobs (let alone those with special licensing requirements)such as Human Service Caseworker, Family Support Specialist or Program Representative with IDES without many weeks of training and additional months of experience to be even nominally proficient. The Rauner administration needs to publically refute this over-reaching proposal as it depicts incompetence and undermines credibility in the executive branch.
- Jordan - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:40 pm:
Does Rauner use this military junta to simply fill state offices with employes or will he also try to overthrow Madigan/Cullerton?
I’m worried this is Illinois’ version of Fidel Castro.
- the Other Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:44 pm:
In fairness to the Governor, it could very well be that calling up the National Guard is only part of a larger contingency plan, and that the Guard would be used for specialized duties, like guarding prisons and some State Police functions. The Raunerite probably have some other contingency plan for other functions.
Having said that, even in its more reasonable formulation this is a crazy idea. (Sorry if I’m using a banned word, but honestly in this case I can’t think of any other adjective.)
It very likely violates the law.
It will backfire, regardless of what weapon the NG carries.
- RNUG - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:45 pm:
== I’m not sure a militarized state is the answer to our problems, but martial law might get us around that pesky pension clause. ==
Nope. Soldiers still swear to uphold the Constitution.
- Judgment Day (on the road) - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:54 pm:
“State employees test water sources, inspect electricity substations, investigate pipeline explosions, test gasoline pumps for accurate measures, investigate wrong doing by professionals, carry out sensitive reviews of households with domestic violence issues and etc.”
———–
10-15 years ago this was a valid point. Today, not so much. I know NG folks who served on active duty in Iraq and A-Stan who have those skills because they had to develop those skills (and a lot of other varied skills) as part of their deployments. And they are still in the IL NG.
From a technical and skill standpoint, they could do the job - and do it right. Because they had to.
Just as an example, I can tell you that dealing with water issues (well drilling, water purification, water testing) was a really big deal (consistently) in both Iraq and A-Stan. And the regular military relied on the NG for dealing with those issues.
If you had experience as an electrician (or a lineman) in either A-Stan or Iraq (especially Iraq), you were golden. Generator or small engines, even more so.
It literally got to the point where in some areas, the regular military would comb through NG units for individuals with specialized non-military talents that were needed for special projects (like the NG formed well drilling units that had a never ending backlog of assignments).
It’s not such a totally crazy idea, IMO.
- Formerly Known As... - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:56 pm:
Another attempt at a comment stuck in auto moderation
How long would anyone hold out under these circumstances? This involves a union with no strike fund, a replacement labor force that can stay on the job almost indefinitely, a high state unemployment rate full of job seekers, and low personal savings rates since the economy tanked.
Who is giving up their paycheck to strike in that environment? That strike never gains momentum, and Rauner gets national press as well as a terrible but thorough victory.
- Macbeth - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 5:57 pm:
Any governor that calls up the National Guard en masse to fulfill duties of state employees will lose in the next election in Illinois. There’s no doubt.
Rauner does this — and I hope he does because the visual images of guardsmen and guardswomen in their fatigues — will mean the end of Rauner.
Not only will he lose, he will never, ever get anything from his Turnaround Agenda passed.
Ever.
- Slide - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:02 pm:
There have been some dooozies…but this easily ranks among the dumbest ideas not immediately jettisoned by a Governor’s Office spokesperson in Illinois history.
- relocated - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:07 pm:
How fast would it take to get an injunction from the supreme court declaring it a non emergency and foiling this asinine plan? ?
- Mama - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:13 pm:
“Scott Walker did compare public unions to ISIS.” “National Guard will be doing State Workers jobs that they know nothing about.” You can not make this stuff up. It will all make a great book one day.
- DuPage Dave - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:35 pm:
In my agency’s main Springfield office there are a whole bunch of state workers, AFSCME members, who voted for Rauner and are now surprised to find that he intends to eliminate their union, trash their benefits and cut their pay.
What in the world were they thinking? Clearly they couldn’t tell the difference between an indifferent friend in Quinn and an enemy in Rauner.
You almost feel sorry for them. But not quite.
- snucka - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:36 pm:
==There will be no strike. If he locks out AFSCME prison guards he will use Nat. Guard in their place.==
This.
I’m no Rauner fan, but I am certainly happy to hear that they’re working on contingency plans in case of a work stoppage. Not sure of the details, but I doubt you’ll see National Guard members in fatigues at the DMV or anything. Calm down, people.
- snucka - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:38 pm:
=In my agency’s main Springfield office there are a whole bunch of state workers, AFSCME members, who voted for Rauner and are now surprised to find that he intends to eliminate their union, trash their benefits and cut their pay.
What in the world were they thinking?=
And this, times 100. He’s doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
- Slide - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:40 pm:
They don’t know when to stop. This is what a gubernatorial office meltdown looks like.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 6:51 pm:
===Not sure of the details, but I doubt you’ll see National Guard members in fatigues at the DMV or anything. Calm down, people.===
Are ya sure? Are you… sure?
Lots of doubt out there.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:03 pm:
Are you sure?
This so-called leader seems to have a flair for drama……theater. He seems to get high on outrage–the more, the better. He’s really shakin’ it up, you see. Nothing would surprise me.
- Fed up with Rauner - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:20 pm:
Well, I do believe the National Guard could do a better job than the governor.
- lascaux - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:28 pm:
Rauner is trying to be like Reagan…what an unimaginative billionare.
- TRH - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:31 pm:
- Fed up with Rauner - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:20 pm:
=Well, I do believe the National Guard could do a better job than the governor.=
So could the three stooges.
- A Jack - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:39 pm:
Activate the Guard and tell them to wear civvies? Ridiculous.
And where are you going to house them while activated? Motel 6? Ridiculous.
If Rauner activates the Guard for this, Illinois will be the laughingstock of the world.
- walker - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:47 pm:
It’s a terribly impractical idea, exactly as Harris said. No need to nitpick his statement and toss some jabs his way. He spoke up when others are hiding under their desks.
(What’s coming over me? Defending Harris. LOL)
- Rusty618 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 7:49 pm:
==Between the retirees, the National Guard, and whatever else Gov Rauner thinks of, he is finding ways of diminishing any leverage his opponents have in these negotiations==
First, the retirees I know have already said “no” to the phone call inquiring about work. They will not cross a picket line or lockout. Second, many National Guard members are state employees. How is that going to work? Finally, I hope Rauner has stocked up on plastic cups for all the of the pee tests that will have to be collected for anyone he intents on using for a replacement. After all, that is a job requirement for everyone else.
- Huh? - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 8:14 pm:
So this is how a businessman runs State government - By calling out the National Guard.
Sigh.
- Move along - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 8:16 pm:
This Rauner is nuttier then Blago.
Everyday he entertaines
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 8:19 pm:
- AC -, apologies for missing your snark. OW
- illlinifan - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 8:45 pm:
I wonder when the contract extension expires how soon after 7/31 will the RFPs go out to privatize many of the agencies. The NG could fill in until the bids are approved. Its already been said Maximus will take over DHS, privatize the prisons, etc. The way to solve the union issue and pension issue in one fell swoop.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 8:52 pm:
Rep. Harris,
Thank you.
Thank you for standing up to be counted when even the most obvious response shouldn’t need someone to do so.
You standing up, far outweighs any vague non-response by the Office of the Governor. My hope is the Governor’s Office listens to you.
Respectfully,
OW
- Arthur Andersen - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:01 pm:
Anon 4:13, slow day at CMS? I paid my dues there, including serving under the Antichrist, so I get to take a shot every now and then, k? Not that you’re wrong about Andersen & Co. probably running better under military rule lol.
To the Post, perhaps the Raunerbots could combine their two ideas and find some retired military types to sail the ship of state for awhile. I’ve got several in the family who would maybe sign on if they got out of Illinois before winter.
- RNUG - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:06 pm:
== I wonder when the contract extension expires how soon after 7/31 will the RFPs go out to privatize many of the agencies. ==
Where are those contract appropriations coming from? The Governor (a) doesn’t have a budget to fund those actions and (b) doesn’t have the authority in his own to move that kind of money around. This isn’t a private business where money can be shifted at the whim of the CEO, something Rauner doesn’t seem to understand.
- nadia - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:07 pm:
You know we may to protect this State from those “Union thugs and Union bosses”. Geez Louise, for Pete’s Sake put a tent over this circus.
- RNUG - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:09 pm:
== The way to solve the union issue and pension issue in one fell swoop. ==
Does absolutely nothing to change the existing $110B pension shortfall; it still has to be paid at some point per the IL SC. Plus, even if it did, the SERS shortfall is much less than the TRS and SURS holes.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:11 pm:
===This isn’t a private business where money can be shifted at the whim of the CEO, something Rauner doesn’t seem to understand.===
Well said, - RNUG -.
We’re 7 months in, and instead of learning the ropes, Rauner is giving himself more rope to…
No learning going on.
- RNUG - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:13 pm:
Don’t remember who said it today in the comments, but I concur with the sentiment “just when you think it can’t get any worse …”
This should be a reality show on cable with Rich Miller and Kent Redfield supplying background commentary; maybe the State could make a bit of revenue from it.
- otherwise - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:20 pm:
Nihilism
- Bulldog58 - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:26 pm:
- illlinifan -
Rauner doesn’t have the authority to privatize the prisons. He needs the General Assembly to do that as he would need to change the current law. Private prisons are not allowed in Illinois.
- Langhorne - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:31 pm:
David harris is the ONLY public voice of reason on the repub side? That is both amazing and sad.
Which freakin superstar came up w this? Where is the gov from hawaii? Who is steering this ship? The answer is no one.
- Arthur Andersen - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:34 pm:
RNUG, not to mention that GARS is literally circling the drain. They can’t be missing any payments.
- Almost the Weekend - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:41 pm:
DuPage Dave well said. They did this to themselves. Poor job by leadership educating rank and file about Rauner. Terrible strategy in the primary, the list goes on. AFSCME needs a major overhaul or they are gone.
- Langhorne - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:42 pm:
I think rauner is watching walker, jindal, and others of their style. They have had some “success” w anti union and anti education efforts. That is his inspiration. He is stubborn, never loses, has a moral duty, is low information in his approach, and will crush our state to get there. Reality of 36/71 be damned.
- Blago's Hare - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 9:59 pm:
Best. Typo. Ever.
“Giverment”
- illini - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 10:10 pm:
Just got online - remarkable, inciteful and cogent comments. Just remember - elections have consequences, unfortunately our Gov. is still campaigning and not governing.
- TamTam - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 10:15 pm:
I’d like to know who thinks state workers “are paper pushers” as noted in the article. State workers do go out in the community to protect children and families. State workers do not sit behind desks! There are mileage records to prove that!
- Jorge - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 10:20 pm:
JD, try again or stay on the road. Water purification isn’t the same as properly processing a mandated monthly state tax return for real estate assessment and tax fees.
- Omega Man - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 10:43 pm:
Even “paper pushing” is a skill that takes years to master. When the paper & emails stop, government stops.
- Austin Blvd - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 10:46 pm:
Rauners attempt at Marshall Law. With that kind of precedent, he would have the experience necessary to be a federal leader.
Not sure which country tho.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 10:58 pm:
I have been wondering what happened to the former Governor of Hawaii. Have there been any sightings of her?
- Vote Quimby! - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 11:02 pm:
==“What if e calls them up and they aren’t there”? Missouri attacks.==
We are already at DEFCON 2.
- RNUG - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 11:26 pm:
Determining eligibility for the various social / welfare programs is a fairly complicated process when done properly (not that the State always does so). Done wrong, it costs the State a lot in UN-reimbursed federal money for the additional recipients. The caseload per worker is ridiculous and even the skilled staff have trouble keeping up with it … unless the plan is to just have the ILNG replacements arbitrarily deny every application for welfare assistance or disability, hoping the State won’t be sued because the people applying are too poor to hire a lawyer.
Rauner might get away with that for a few weeks but it wouldn’t be long before organizations like the ACLU and/or the Feds come after the State in court. Just think of the ads that could be produced showing little Timmy and Susie suffering (or even dying) because of Rauner’s decisions; the 2016 elections would be a slam dunk for the D’s.
- Slide - Monday, Jul 27, 15 @ 11:52 pm:
I just wish ‘A Guy’ was here to give this idea the props it deserves . /s
- Strange - Tuesday, Jul 28, 15 @ 12:45 am:
Now wait a minute, don’t all of these guard people have to go through CMS and get graded to see if they are qualified for these positions?
- NoGifts - Tuesday, Jul 28, 15 @ 6:06 am:
Anyone with knowledge of labor history? Calling the national guard in during a strike is a real trip back to the guilded age.
“The Ludlow Massacre was an attack by the Colorado National Guard and Colorado Fuel & Iron Company camp guards on a tent colony of 1,200 striking coal miners and their families at Ludlow, Colorado, on April 20, 1914. Some two dozen people, including miners’ wives and children, were killed. The chief owner of the mine, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was widely criticized for the incident.” “The Electric Auto-Lite Strike. In Toledo, OH, two strikers were killed and over two hundred wounded by National Guardsmen. Some 1300 National Guard troops, including included eight rifle companies and three machine gun companies, were called in to disperse the protestors.”
- Flynn's mom - Tuesday, Jul 28, 15 @ 8:03 am:
Sargent 1st Class Orville P. Snorkel reporting for duty. But, before I begin, let me see what Cookie Jowls has on the stove. Private Zero can fill in for me until I’m done eating.
- illinifan - Tuesday, Jul 28, 15 @ 8:58 am:
Agree with responses to my post on privatization. I know Rauner could not do a private take over easily but my thinking is though that HE believes he could do this kind of thing without legal authority. Budgets and laws are for the lesser people, not brilliant business persons like him (snark).
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Jul 28, 15 @ 2:31 pm:
RAUNER IS NO GOOD FOR ILLINOIS.
- No matter where you go - Wednesday, Jul 29, 15 @ 8:57 am:
“News” from a Sock Puppet source
When will the governor stop beating his wife