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*** UPDATED x2 *** Higher ed funding needs to clear at least one more hurdle
Thursday, Apr 21, 2016 - Posted by Rich Miller * Subscribers know more about what could be in this higher education funding plan if it ever sees the light of day…
* It’ll actually do more than than Rep. Fortner’s bill. Community colleges were also in the mix as of late yesterday. But it ain’t soup yet. Members made significant progress yesterday, but there’s still some resistance behind the scenes today as some members demand that Chicago State University receive its full annual appropriation - which isn’t going down well with others who have universities that are only receiving a portion of their annual funding. * This basically empty Senate bill, which is currently in the House, might be the vehicle, as might this one, so keep an eye on them. Using a Senate vehicle means both chambers can pass the legislation in one day. The Senate President canceled Friday’s session yesterday, but that could change depending on what happens today. *** UPDATE 1 *** Click here for the latest numbers I could get. The last two columns contain what I believe is the current proposal along with the percentage of each institution’s “normal” approp. CSU gets the highest percentage among universities, at 40 percent. MAP grants would be funded at 43 percent. Everybody else is around 30-31 percent. But some CSU backers are still reportedly holding out for full funding. *** UPDATE 2 *** A big meeting has wrapped up and I’m told CSU advocates emerged with full funding for the campus. “We’ll see if it holds up,” said a Black Caucus member. Also, I’m told they’re using SB 2059 as the vehicle.
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- illinois manufacturer - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 10:57 am:
Get her Done!
- Honeybear - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:04 am:
I’m thinking this is what they mean by “don’t ask how the sausage is made.”
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:05 am:
Please, this is going on way too long.
- Just Me - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:08 am:
While I’m highly annoyed that some legislators are complaining that their districts’ needs are more important than others (which really is maddening), I do take some comfort that rank-and-file are starting to rise up and figure stuff out on their own.
- Annonin' - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:17 am:
Capt Fax while well intended is about 8-10 hours behind. So be calm and try ignore what is presented as details and or facts.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:27 am:
If the CSU supporters hold out for special treatment when everyone needs help, future requests for help may be met with an equally cold shoulder from the rest of the rank and file.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:30 am:
Think how Illinois looks to others. I own rental property in Iowa City, for instance. The streets of the little town are full of cars with Illinois license plates. Many of the cars belong to students at the University of Iowa. They came to school there because of the chaos in Illinois, so Iowa people told me. The folks in Springfield need to get their get act together. Their folly is doing us serious harm. It will be very hard to put right.
- Rich Miller - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:34 am:
===is about 8-10 hours behind===
I doubt anything happened at 3 o’clock this morning.
Also, I called around just before posting this. And probably talked to the same folks as you. Just sayin..
- Honeybear - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:41 am:
-If the CSU supporters hold out for special treatment when everyone needs help, future requests for help may be met with an equally cold shoulder from the rest of the rank and file.-
Given who Chicago State mainly serves and given that they’ve been warning people all along that they would go entirely down without as much as they can get, I’d say your statement anonymous was at best racially insensitive at worst..well.. C’mon buddy. don’t go there. The other colleges have a bit of padding, some more than others. CSU could go down for good. They are paycheck to paycheck because of the folks they choose to serve. To say what you said is to willfully deny a segment of society in thinly veiled discrimination.
- Jimmy H - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:49 am:
Rich, you ARE doing a great job. Thank you!
Hope this gets done and then attention is turned to Social Services.
- Joe M - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:50 am:
Partial funding is better than no funding. But with only partial funding, the uncertainty for higher ed in Illinois will continue - and these same battles will be continue to be fought over and over, with continued casualties (faculty/staff layoffs and students not attending college) along the way.
- Federalist - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:53 am:
Do something and throw it in Rauner’s lap.
- DuPage Bard - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:58 am:
If the Senate leaves it doesn’t matter what 11th hour fix is done it’s over, right?
- Jimmy H - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 12:01 pm:
I hope they don’t give Rauner the final say; he cannot be trusted. @ 71 and 36.
- Higher Ed - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 12:03 pm:
There is more than the one reason why CSU is in the condition they are in. Regardless, they are the closest to closure. None of the universities can continue under these circumstances without incurring severe damage.
- Norseman - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 12:08 pm:
Honeybear, this is a stopgap bill to keep things from closing down now and to assure IL students that schools will be there in the fall semester. This is not intended to be a full funding solution. I would prefer an entire budget solution, but that’s not likely.
Do we want this good to go down because of a few schools getting a whole loaf instead of the slices Fortner’s bill would provide?
- James Knell - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 12:16 pm:
Dare we hope?
- WIUoblivion - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 12:21 pm:
@ Honeybear 11:41
With due respect, there are other campuses that are almost at the paycheck-to-paycheck stage (and for now former employees, well past it). I share your distaste at the tone of the 11:27 anonymous post, but Norseman 12:08 is right. We need immediate help statewide — to let an opportunity fail because of special pleadings would be incredibly irresponsible.
- Honeybear - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 12:47 pm:
Sorry guys, I got my hackles up over the tone of it and the use of “special treatment”. I totally get what you all are saying. I creep back under the bridge now. Sorry
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 12:59 pm:
So CSU gets full funding and EIU / WIU gets a pittance and will become the CSUs of FY17? Awesome governing there Springfield.
- thunderspirit - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:00 pm:
== Dare we hope? ==
With a healthy dose of skepticism, but yes, I do, in fact, dare.
- Norseman - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:06 pm:
Honeybear, I’ll never consider you a troll. You’ve been a solid and thoughtful commenter.
- WIUblues - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:09 pm:
Who will protect WIU? It surely ain’t Norine Hammond.
- Thoughts Matter - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:09 pm:
Will the Gov. Sign it, sit on it or veto it?
- Thunder Fred - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:11 pm:
They should peg funding to graduation rates. Chicago State would get 14%.
- Blue Bayou - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:18 pm:
Hey Thunder Fred, do you know how graduation rates are calculated?
Please explain.
- xxtofer - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:29 pm:
I agree that while some schools are in better shape than others, it would be problematic is CSU got its full allocation, while others suffered with less than half what is due them. Students are students. We all serve a special population of some kind and we all suffer in some degree with lack of funding.
- Thunder Fred - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:38 pm:
Blue Bayou- no problem. Try this link www.google.com
- WIUoblivion - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:43 pm:
@Norseman at 1:06
+1
- isityouDB? - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:51 pm:
This must not be allowed to be the last word on FY16 funding. The universities have already been running on fumes for several years. They cannot continue to function if they never receive 60% of their FY16 appropriation.
- ryan - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:51 pm:
Amendment filed.
http://ilga.gov/legislation/99/SB/PDF/09900SB2059ham002.pdf
- EIUSupporter - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 1:56 pm:
@Anonymous 12:59 pm. This is what I worry about, also.I’m not sure EIU can take another year like this one. 30% funding will not do it.
- Pot calling kettle - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:31 pm:
This bill is meant to put out the fires, no more than that. The biggest fire is at CSU, so they get the most water. This will not put any of the fires out, but it will knock the flames down for awhile. The next flare ups will get more water…probably EIU &/or WIU, maybe IMSA.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:35 pm:
IMSA might not be salvageable… Even now, what IMSA was, IMSA might never be again…
It’s that dire.
- Chucktownian - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:51 pm:
I do suspect IMSA is gone. This won’t save it. I’ve worked with them on some things over the last couple of years. It’s a great little place but I think Rauner has killed it now.
- MacombInFlames - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:30 pm:
Pot: ===The next flare ups will get more water…probably EIU &/or WIU, maybe IMSA. ===
Flare ups? WIU/Macomb is gonna be ashes and soot if we don’t get some help NOW. Come on, man!?!
- Anon - Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:27 pm:
No strings attached for CSU? Seriously, that university needs to institute genuine administrative reforms as part of any bailout.
- M3ct - Friday, Apr 22, 16 @ 7:53 am:
http://collegecompletion.chronicle.com/state/#state=ny§or=public_four
A look at college graduation rates and state funding PER The year 2011 across the nation…