*** UPDATED x2 *** Madigan: No
Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - Posted by Rich Miller
* Here we go…
…Adding… From Amanda in comments…
To be clear: Productive was my word/summation; Speaker used “persuasive.”
*** UPDATE 1 *** The statement is getting out there on Twitter, so here’s the full governor’s office response to the Speaker’s proposed budget which I told subscribers about earlier…
According to GOMB, the House Democrats are proposing a budget that is as much as $7 billion out of balance, proposing to spend as much as $39 billion with only $32 billion available. It is by far the phoniest phony budget in recent Illinois history - and that’s saying something.
…Adding… Actually, some of the working groups are making progress. So this statement by MJM is a bit, um, off. But the governor told Madigan today that he wants the groups to continue meeting.
…Adding More… From Voices for Illinois Children…
Without new revenue the analysis from Voices’ Fiscal Policy Center shows, as does GOMB’s analysis, that a spending plan with previous spending levels comes up least $7 billion short.
It’s important to remember the reason the numbers don’t add up. It’s because there is no new revenue to make up for the huge tax cut that occurred when lawmakers failed to make the temporary 5% income tax rate permanent.
It’s not enough to decry an unbalanced budget. To balance the budget, lawmakers and the governor either need to make $7.1 billion in cuts (something Voices does not suggest, and something no policy maker has suggested) or generate $7.1 billion in new revenue.
*** UPDATE 2 *** Tribune…
Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan is planning to present a budget that would pour $500 million more into school funding for districts with low-income students under a spending plan that Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner’s administration suggests is $7 billion short.
The broad points of the proposal surfaced Wednesday as the governor and legislative leaders met again behind closed doors with a spring session deadline looming Tuesday. The House Democratic budget blueprint largely envisions state government running on autopilot — an indication that despite Rauner’s vague suggestion of optimism, there is unlikely to be a resolution to the historic budget stalemate.
According to an analysis of the legislation distributed to lawmakers and the administration, the plan calls for spending just $13.7 billion out of the state’s general revenue fund, the primary checkbook of state government. Much of state government instead would be funded under a patchwork of court orders and decent decrees that kept more than 90 percent of funding flowing as Illinois operates without a complete budget. […]
Madigan spokesman Steve Brown said the proposal may morph over the next few days, but is “based on what we believe Illinois law requires to be spent.”
It’s actually more than $500 million. Click here to see the analysis. Weird stuff in there, man, as subscribers have known for many days.
- Under Influenced - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 11:54 am:
#obey
- A guy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 11:54 am:
Someone isn’t productive. That’s for sure.
- Just Me - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 11:55 am:
The Speaker owns the process, his power is in process. Recognize that and work around it.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 11:57 am:
Stall… Stall… Stall…
Vote out Approps, have K-12, Higher Ed and Social services out front and center, making sure K-12 isn’t a stand all or this time… wait for the “Red” Raunerite votes, get 60 to pass…
Leave town.
I’ve seen this movie before, the K-12 twist makes the sequel “compelling” but still a thumbs down, but Rauner will own the vetoes come November, and Rauberotes will own all the bad votes.
Ugh…
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:00 pm:
“It’s the phoniest!”
“Objection!”
“Sustained”
“No, no, it’s the phoniest phony”
“Oh, then this has merit”
Amateurs running that Press Shop. This is the BEST you can do?
- DuPage - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:01 pm:
In response to Rauner’s renewed demands for Turnaround Agenda items be passed before a budget, Madigan needs to say NO.
Rauner is not just demanding the TA items be voted on, he is demanding they be passed.
- ILPundit - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:01 pm:
The real question is whether Rauner does a total veto, or whether he lets K-12 and OSF/FED lines stand
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:04 pm:
I blame Frank Thomas
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:04 pm:
“Why do you keep using the word ‘phony’ is there something to it?”
“Well, it’s really neat how ‘ph’ makes the ‘f’ sound… we even got to use it twice”
I think this is my favorite. Maybe their borrowing from Charles M. Schultz?
===It is by far the phoniest phony budget in recent Illinois history - and that’s saying something.===
Hmm…
“Of all the Charlie Browns in the world, you’re the Charlie
Browniest.”
Now it just darling when I think of it…
- jim - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:05 pm:
only $7 billion out of balance. a mere pittance. what’s the problem?
- NIU Grad - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:06 pm:
The MJM strategy: Make excuses, point fingers, pass bad legislation, and adjourn. Clock’s ticking…
- Lucky Pierre - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:06 pm:
Taking your ball and going home is usually frowned on in sandlot football games among pre teenagers but to have it in our State Capitol is a new low and that is saying something.
What the Speaker should have said is the entire legislature is not productive if they propose a budget 7 billion out of balance
- pool boy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:07 pm:
Bull—- has been called.
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:10 pm:
No compromise. No alternatives. No suggestions. No change. No progress.
Sorry, Illinois. You lose. Again.
- Jakita Wagner - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:12 pm:
1970 Constitution, Article IV, Section 9(d): “The Governor may reduce or veto any item of
appropriations in a bill presented to him…”
There. I’m a Superstar. Where’s my high six figure salary?
- Louis G Atsaves - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:13 pm:
Disappointing. Who is the hostage taker now?
- Earnest - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:14 pm:
>It is by far the phoniest phony budget in recent Illinois history - and that’s saying something.
If it doesn’t claim to have imaginary savings or imaginary increased revenue like Governor Rauner’s budgets so far, it isn’t phony at all–just not balanced. We should call it bad, but in an accurate manner.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:15 pm:
===it isn’t phony at all–just not balanced===
Um, you might wanna wait until you see it. Pretty weird proposal.
- Illannoyed - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:15 pm:
- It’s not enough to decry an unbalanced budget. - To balance the budget, lawmakers and the governor either need to make $7.1 billion in cuts (something Voices does not suggest, and something no policy maker has suggested) or generate $7.1 billion in new revenue (something most taxpayers have not suggested). - Fixed it.
- Nick Name - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:15 pm:
Not just a phony budget, but the phoniest phony budget!
- Jimmy H - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:19 pm:
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:04 pm:
LOL!!!
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:20 pm:
- Louis G Atsaves -
This is a rerun, Madigan will run a budget, the Democrats will get it to Rauner’s desk, then Rauner will own the vetoes or the cuts (like the (gulp) Chicago Tribune wants) and the only difference is no safety hatch for K-12 and leaving higher education and social services out.
There’s no hostages, there will be a budget.
Lots of Raunerite “Red”, lots of possible Vetoes to explain away… As Eastern wilts at the vine, Western dries up… Charleston and Macomb wonder aloud how they were fooled so badly, by Rauner…
It’s a stall game now. Rauner can use phony 89 times if that Shop wants to… but “same”… seen this movie. The evfubg this time could be the end of so much more.
- Ghost - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:20 pm:
so the govs budget has a 7bil hole and is ok, but this one is bad?
the gov has not proposed cuts other then raiding the workers for money, same way he raided and bankrupts the companies he buys…. just before he drops them.
have any of the conservative folks considered the economic dmg from reducing state spending and have 70k workers spending reduced or halted from loss of income? the failure of lansas an Louisiana just get ignored because tepeating the same failed policy over and over has to
work sometime…. and the ultrawealthy get to make more money
- Amanda Vinicky - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:26 pm:
To be clear: Productive was my word/summation; Speaker used “persuasive.” (Same takeaway)
- Ghost - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:26 pm:
Madigan and Rauner duet:
the ah to the budget no, no, no
Our name is no
Our sign is no
Our number is no
You need to let it go
- LIberty - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:29 pm:
Madigan practices his stategery. Veto this Guv!
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:33 pm:
That should be veto this comma Guv (not veto the guv but force Rauner to make the cuts)
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:34 pm:
Speaker Madigan told us what he was going to do last year, but it was not clear until last week.
Speaker Madigan decided last year to oppose everything, for better or worse. =NO= =NO= =NO=. Under no circumstances will he agree to any sort of budget, compromise, policy or reform with Rauner. If Rauner’s budget says =Illinois loves apples=, Madigan probably says =NO= to that as well.
Remember his quote last year? =Pressed by reporters about why negotiations haven’t been pursued more urgently, Madigan said, “I don’t necessarily presume that there will be some kind of a deal put together between the governor and the legislative leaders.”=
Lou Lang hinted at this last week when he said =We may or may not have a budget during the entire term of Bruce Rauner.= No compromise. No reform. No budget.
Buckle up. This could get worse than many of us had imagined possible.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:37 pm:
I think we all know who the obstructionist is and it ain’t Rauner.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:40 pm:
When MJM passes Approps, he will say he did his job, now the governor can veto, sign, many things.
Y’all were here last year, right?
Thanks - Amanda Vinicky - for your clarification. Always the pro, no snark. OW
- Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:42 pm:
Court Order? Leave it out.
Continuing Approp? Leave it out.
I’m surprised this is only 7 billion short with all the things left out. To their uh, credit, their salaries are included in the continuing approp leave-out.
- burbanite - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:44 pm:
very confusing. So this is a 2017 budget? and it is referencing 2016 allocations/budgets? 2016 is just a wash? I thought it was ugly before. Egads!
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:47 pm:
Reuters last month ==Illinois marked 14th straight budget deficit in FY 2015: audit==
This would make it the 15th.
Our kids can pay for it.
- Tough Guy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:50 pm:
Uh oh. The phoniest of phony. Hope they don’t throw in a phooey on top of that. That’s much more serious than even a double dog dare. Laughable if it wasn’t so serious.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 12:53 pm:
Keep voting for the same people, and watch the state sink in debt! They do not want change, they want to maintain power!
- Sue - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:01 pm:
Governor- here is my proposal- Nothing- in fact I would appreciate if you paid the licensing fee- Madigan is like Michael Corleone
- BBG Watch - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:04 pm:
Phooey! == It is by far the phoniest phony budget in recent Illinois history - and that’s saying something. ==
OK ck, you need to fix it then. That’s what a governor does. Well first he needs to submit HIS budget … but that never happened. So … balls in your court again.
- Annonin' - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:09 pm:
Capt Fax
Check the loopey-dupey sources, BigBrain admitted in the meetin’ he was unaware the Senate President went to a WG session on pensinos and reported there was a handful of votes for his bill…..BigBrain was surprised
- MOON - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:16 pm:
SUE
The Gov. is a big boy and should exercise his rights.
Veto the portions he does not agree with and lets move on to the next phase.
- Triple fat - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:24 pm:
Base on GOMB figures and the Tribune’s analysis this budget is probably far south of 7.1 billion short. Phony numbers and phony analysis most likely.
- Filmmaker Professor - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:30 pm:
I love seeing all these comments about “status quo” and “no one willing to change.” Did all of you forget that you rejected the status quo when you elected Rauner? And he AND the legislature did what you asked: they lowered tax rate. that’s a rejection of the status quo. Now you’ve got to deal with the results of what you wanted.
- Chungas revenge - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:37 pm:
Anonymous at 12:37
Rauner is the person who won’t negotiate the budget unless a lot of non budget items are included and past. So how you can say he is not the obstructionist is not fathomable to an objective mind.
- burbanite - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:46 pm:
Um, Professor, I didn’t elect Rauner, others did. I also did not ask for my taxes to go down and in fact expressed that I wanted it to stay 5% to both my senator and representative. Rauner was elected because he wasn’t Quinn, not because he had some kind of mandate. How many votes did he win by?
- Annonin' - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:46 pm:
it is always s hoot to watch BigBrainiacts start the deficit watch at a point other than when the BigBrain introduced his budgets (which “oddly” are about $7 billion out of whack too)
Last year, BigBrain was a fraidee cat maybe he has figured it out by now. unlikely, but maybe.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:56 pm:
Chungas, so you want Rauner to agree to a budget BEFORE any of his items are included??? Do you think he just might lose a tad bit of leverage?
Your post is a killer. Let someone else buy your next car or house or………..
- Handle Bar Mustache - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 1:59 pm:
Also, always “pretty weird” to hear the absurd demands for a “constitutionally required balanced budget” from people who have never really cared about it before.
- Norseman - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:04 pm:
=== Much of state government instead would be funded under a patchwork of court orders and decent decrees … ===
Freudian slip?
- MOON - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:04 pm:
Why is everybody surprised the budget is not balanced.
Everyone including the Gov. knows more revenue is needed.
Gov. use your line item veto authority and propose specific areas where new revenue can come from.
After all, it was at your request that the income tax was cut. You stated you had a plan. Where is it
- Chungas revenge - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:09 pm:
Anonymous.
Take your Superstar salary and go buy a dictionary and look up the word budget and stop embarrassing yourself
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:14 pm:
@oswego Willy: the big stall. Rerun from last year. Giving the Governor nothing. Moving the goal posts. And yes, he is Holding all those hostages.
I’m disappointed. For years I’ve respected and admired the
Speakers political skills.
Those skills have been MIA since Rauner’s election. Deliberately.
Now
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:19 pm:
I try to follow the - @MisterJayEm - rule when it comes to “- Anonymous -”, especially when more than one appear.
Thanks.
- Louis G Atsaves - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:19 pm:
Sorry. The comments posted at 2:14 pm came from me.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:25 pm:
- Louis G Atsaves -
@RonSandack: I’m frustrated 2, but taking steps towards reforming IL more important than short term budget stalemate. - Ron Sandack, 9/28/15
Well?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:31 pm:
Madigan will run his Approps, get the GOP “Red”, and leave town.
#TaxHikeMike won’t get Ounce of Prevention it’s $7 million owed any quicker
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 2:56 pm:
Chungas, settle down big boy. But, don’t go negotiate anything.
You’ll thank me for the advice!
- Abe the Babe - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 4:00 pm:
If Madigan was ever going to make a deal it was always going to be in overtime session where more votes would extracted. I.e more GOPers who had to vote to cut, tax, and whack unions a bit.
Overtime is the better time for a deal, from Madigans perch.
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 4:49 pm:
=“I don’t necessarily agree with the first part of your remarks, that in the end this will be negotiated between the governor, and the leaders. I don’t necessarily agree with that,” Madigan said. He later added, “(T)here are conversations going on but I don’t think you should proceed under any presumptions that are based upon what happened in the past… I don’t necessarily presume that there will be some kind of a deal put together between the governor and the legislative leaders.”= Mike Madigan July 17 2015
=”We may or may not have a budget during the entire term of Bruce Rauner.”= Lou Lang May 18 2016
Madigan decided early last year. NO compromise. NO reforms. NO alternatives. NO change. NO progress.
- Rabid - Wednesday, May 25, 16 @ 6:38 pm:
The phonied phonier governor’s office is phonying phonily phoniness
- Anonymous - Thursday, May 26, 16 @ 8:31 am:
Still unclear why any of this matters to a Governor who has line item budget veto power and a GA minority capable of proposing any revenue he/they see fit. Crocodile tears. Shake it up Gov, you have the power.