A completely bogus Democratic argument
Friday, Mar 24, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller
* Let’s go back to Pearson’s piece on the impasse…
Democrats don’t trust the governor — the feeling is mutual in Rauner’s camp — and the prevailing view in the House is to wait it out instead of approving his economic agenda in return for a tax hike.
“Why pass a tax increase and then give Rauner the power to spend without telling us where he’s going to spend?” asked a source close to Madigan who was not authorized to speak publicly about budget negotiations. “If (Rauner) got even a little of what he wanted now, what’s to stop him from saying he wouldn’t spend until he got even more of what he wanted?”
Nothing, and I do mean nothing will ever get done if that’s Madigan’s attitude. You don’t need more proof than that comment above.
And it’s so transparently bogus. If they seriously don’t trust him to spend the money, then get a memorandum of understanding out of him or something. Plus, if he doesn’t spend money that is clearly available to spend, he can be publicly shamed into spending it.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 12:48 pm:
In actuality, I can’t see and deal, “Grand Baragin” or not, that wouldn’t include MOUs.
After the Good Friday Massacre cuts, I can’t see any GA member willing to trust Bruce Rauner without MOUs.
So, include MOUs and be done with the trust issue.
We need a budget. We need stability. We need 60 and 30 and a clean signature, all sides, the governor too
If MOUs get everyone there, stop the phony bellyaching and do the MOUs and get things rolling.
Ugh!
- Juice - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 12:48 pm:
Completely agree Rich.
If the Governor signs off on a major tax increase, and then just hordes the money, he made that bed, let him lie in it.
And this attitude is one of the reasons why I will never understand why the Governor tanked the deal in the Senate.
- JS Mill - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 12:52 pm:
That comment will likely be used to bludgeon them and rightly so.
Just dumb.
- Juvenal - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 12:54 pm:
I agree that a memorandum of understanding would help things, but how enforceable are MOU’s? Do we have to drag the governor into court if one is violated? Can MOU’s cover budgets that haven’t been drafted yet, or next year’s budget? I dunno.
As for public shaming, not sure how effective that is. The Governor seems most concerned about his base, which is why his approval is at 35 percent. And they do not want him to spend the money.
Democrats need to try to find the good inside Rauner, and be willing to try to trust him. But it’s been pretty downhill with him since the Good Friday massacre, and killing CPS funding made it worse. pretending he was all for a grand bargain while knifing Radogno in the back? If that is how he treats his allies, imagine how he would stick it to Democrats once he got what he wanted.
If Rauner wants to rebuild trust, he should stop monkeying around and pass and sign a clean CPS funding bill. That would be a good showing of good faith.
- Anonymous - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 12:56 pm:
Rauner cannot be shamed into anything.
- Rich Miller - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 12:59 pm:
===Rauner cannot be shamed into anything.===
Wrong.
Remember when he cut autism funding on World Autism Day? He ran away from that one like a frightened child runs from a spider.
- Texas Red - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 12:59 pm:
MJM the hostage master. ” Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world / Like a Colossus, and we petty men / Walk under his huge legs and peep about / To find ourselves dishonorable graves”
- @MisterJayEm - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:00 pm:
I was right there with you, Rich, all the way up to “he can be publicly shamed”…
– MrJM
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:03 pm:
===MJM the hostage master…===
… and yet, in the Senate Grand Bargain, it was Rauner himself holding hostage the Raunerite votes, completely undercutting Leader Radogno.
- Texas Red -
How about MOUs?
- Try-4-Truth - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:07 pm:
======asked a source close to Madigan======
I don’t have an opinion on any of this post until I know who this person is.
Guess what? I don’t trust Gov. Rauner either. Take a close look at what he wants to do to the state’s Senior Citizens with the CRP. Nope, I don’t trust him either.
- JS Mill - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:10 pm:
=Nope, I don’t trust him either.=
That’s the rub, no trust anywhere.
When you spend all of your time trying to be snarky and bash the other guy, perspective and trust are lost.
They also forget that they aren’t there to play games with the other party, they are supposed to be there to serve the public.
- JAH - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:12 pm:
January 2019
- 47th Ward - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:15 pm:
Poorly articulated, but once you pay ransom, you can expect more hostages to be taken. Never negotiate with terrorists.
- Tron - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:15 pm:
The House wants to “wait it out”? Let’s just say a Democrat beats Rauner in 2018. And further, let’s say the Democrats maintain majorities in each chamber. Now, starting on January 1, 2019, a tax hike will have to go into effect. Exactly how big of a hike would they like to have pass the Democratic legislature and have signed into law by a Democratic governor? Maybe “waiting it out” isn’t such a good idea. Just saying.
- MOON - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:16 pm:
RICH
Why not pass a budget which shows how the money will be spent.
Are you suggesting Rauner be given a budget with a lump sum and let him decide how and where the money will be spent?
That will never fly and is outright crazy.
- My New Handle - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:16 pm:
I am not inside the Capitol anymore. Is Pearson’s quote of the source the only indication of what is “the prevailing view in the House”? Seems like there should many attributable quotes to bolster Pearson’s assertion.
- Michelle Flaherty - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:17 pm:
Mark your calendars, World Autism Day is April 2, 2017.
Go ahead and start writing the Rauner budget cut stories.
- wordslinger - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:21 pm:
Even when the House Dems speak, they give Rauner ammunition.
They’re really bad at that public messaging thing.
- Rich Miller - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:23 pm:
===Are you suggesting ===
No. Where did you get that? Try to keep up.
- non - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:34 pm:
Epilepsy funding also gone.
- Chicago_Downstater - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:38 pm:
You don’t have to trust Rauner (see all the suggestions surround MOUs and so forth). I don’t think anyone’s saying Dems should.
However, Dems do need to at least appear to be negotiating in good faith. This comment by a source close to Madigan is the opposite of that.
If I were Madigan that source would no longer be close to me.
- Lucky Pierre - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:44 pm:
Can we get an MOU on the 215 million in CPS pension funding in exchange for statewide pension reform or do those only swing one way.
Good Friday Massacre was a smokescreen. Senator Cullerton know about the cuts and said so publicly
Trust is a two way street
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:52 pm:
===Can we get an MOU on the 215 million in CPS pension funding in exchange for statewide pension reform or do those only swing one way.===
Since it was Rauner himself that purposely vetoed and hurt Chicago students, why would Rauner want that MOU? lol.
Good try thou.
===Good Friday Massacre was a smokescreen. Senator Cullerton know about the cuts and said so publicly===
… and yet it was Rauner who had to save face, not Cullerton.
Why? Governor’s own.
- Juice - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:53 pm:
Wow Lucky, you really are obsessed with this Chance the Rapper problem, aren’t you?
- Demoralized - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 1:53 pm:
==Good Friday Massacre was a smokescreen==
Tell that to those massacred.
- Annonin' - Friday, Mar 24, 17 @ 2:11 pm:
Bogus…really. Show of hands on those who think BigBrain will keep his word.
Right and while MOUs were an effective tool with Blagoof it is unlikely the same would happen now.
To think otherwise suggests you are very comfortable with your beachfront lot on Gullible Island.