Our sorry state
Thursday, Apr 6, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller
* Illinois Policy Institute…
Indiana gained 20,000 Illinoisans on net in 2015, the most recent year of data available. From 2006 to 2015, Illinois lost more than 119,000 people to Indiana on net. That’s equivalent to Indiana annexing the entire city of Peoria.
Illinois also suffered a net loss of more than 11,000 people to Wisconsin in 2015, and nearly 86,000 people over the preceding decade. That’s almost as if the entire city of Waukegan moved 15 miles up the shoreline.
There is some good news for Illinoisans: The state now has more payroll jobs than ever, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But it’s a question of where those jobs are being created that should concern political leaders. […]
Illinois has regained barely a sliver of the manufacturing jobs that evaporated during the Great Recession, and it’s lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs since the turn of the century. There are now far more jobs in sectors such as state and local government, leisure and hospitality, and business and professional services than in manufacturing. It didn’t used to be that way.
Indiana and Wisconsin, however, are seeing strong manufacturing comebacks. Both states have recovered a larger share of their manufacturing jobs than Illinois, and manufacturing workers see higher wages than their Illinois counterparts, when adjusting for cost of living.
* From the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Illinois manufacturing employment…
* Indiana manufacturing employment…
* Wisconsin manufacturing employment…
- working stiff - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:04 pm:
ipi keeps talking about people that have left the state.
how many came to the state? how much has the population actually changed.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:12 pm:
These graphs need to be shown with the same axes and increments, otherwise visual comparison is meaningless.
- wordslinger - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:12 pm:
Recent reports in biz journals indicate the seven-year bull run in domestic auto sales has petered out. That won’t be good for Midwesterrn manufacturing.
An ITW auto parts plant in in Mazon is moving to
Ciudad Juarez, according to Bloomberg.
Must like the pro-biz environment created by the Juarez Cartel.
- @misterjayem - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:20 pm:
“These graphs need to be shown with the same axes and increments, otherwise visual comparison is meaningless.”
The trend over time is certainly not meaningless information.
– MrJM
- Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:30 pm:
word, I’ve been reading those articles in both the trade press and buff books, and it seems to me that we’re seeing more and more people are abandoning sedans for crossovers and SUVs. Ford had the biggest sales drop recently because their sedans are aging and their crossovers/SUVs are ancient compared to others. (But very popular among IL politicos.) Buick, believe it or not, is doing well, with three popular crossovers and two new sedans (rebadged Opels) that are tailor-made for Buick’s ad campaign.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:37 pm:
===The trend over time is certainly not meaningless information.===
Indeed. But this is a graph, not a table. If the axes/increments aren’t the same for each graph then the trends are misrepresented visually.
- G'Kar - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:56 pm:
Except for Rhodell’s Brewery, I kinda wish Indiana would annex Peoria./s
- siriusly - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 1:23 pm:
That’s a heckuva Turnaround there Raunie!
- Ghost - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 1:38 pm:
red herring. manufacturing is a dieing occupation nation wide.
How many high tech jobs are Wisconsin and IA adding? they are pretty much monexista t while chicago is booming for tech. Lets talk about which State added the most gas lite road lighters….. manufacturing jobs will disappear to robotics over the next decade. which state has the most tech students who can program and repair robotics? lets measure the actual future not the dieing past
Il lags in horseback postal carriers as well…. wonder if the automobile will ever take off as a method for delivering mail
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 1:45 pm:
Here is a more appropriate visualization of the same data.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EkRh8ztmz5O-Ih6gSE1UdovR8WlszG4k3HQWgJ-h70o/pub
- wordslinger - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 1:47 pm:
AA, did you see Tesla’s market cap passed Ford’s this week?
Tesla sold 76K vehicles in 2016. Ford sold 2.5M.
Talk about irrational exuberance. But I sure wish I would have gotten in on Tesla before 2013. It’s taken off like an Elon Musk rocket since then.
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=tesla%20stock&oq=tesla%20stock&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.6967j0j8
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 2:16 pm:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=zF82qVCJYXs
- Stones - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 2:21 pm:
It’s truly sad to think that Illinoisans feel that they can have a better quality of life in the Hoosier state.
- Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 2:27 pm:
word, that Tesla run has been incredible given the thinness of the product line. I have a friend with more money than sense who got the full-boat Model S P90. Car is gorgeous and scary, Porsche Turbo fast. Won’t make it from Chicago to Springfield on a charge, though. The SUV is hideous. The new sedan had better be darn good and hit its price target. What I like best about Tesla-no car dealers. (Sorry car dealer best friend)
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 2:36 pm:
IPI: Re-elect Rauner!
- Ron - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 2:51 pm:
Gee, I wonder why Illinois can’t create manufacturing jobs, but Indiana and Wisconsin can…
- Ron - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 2:55 pm:
- working stiff - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 12:04 pm:
ipi keeps talking about people that have left the state.
how many came to the state? how much has the population actually changed.”
The article talked about net flows of people. I get WI, it’s a nice state, but IN? The place is one of the worst.
- Rich Miller - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 2:56 pm:
===The place is one of the worst. ===
One word: Jobs.
- Shemp - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 3:01 pm:
Given the x axis didn’t change and y axis didn’t change other than moving up/down the chart, the trends are indeed valid. I know it’s hard for some of you to just admit that Indiana and other surrounding states are handing it to us on several fronts, especially when you compare areas outside Chicago.
- Ron - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 3:04 pm:
From February 1990 to February 2017, IL lost 38.5% of it’s manufacturing jobs.
From February 1990 to February 2017, IN lost 12.5% of it’s manufacturing jobs.
From February 1990 to February 2017, WI lost 10.7% of it’s manufacturing jobs.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 3:23 pm:
Shemp, you don’t seem to know how to read a graph.
The y-axis increments were made uniform in the linked document - the trends haven’t changed, but they now reflect an apples-to-apples overview, not a skewed zoom.
When comparing data, you do it based on uniform measurement, not willy nilly.
So, increments of 100 across each graph…not increments of 100 in two graphs and 50 in another.
Also, you compare uniform ranges. You don’t compare a 300 point spread, 200 point spread, and 250 point spread. You show a single spread.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 3:24 pm:
Among the most populous cities in America, Chicago has the second largest growth in tech jobs, beating Silicon Valley by five percent.
In total, it’s the fifth largest tech market in the country, creating a jaw-dropping 40,000 new jobs in IT since 2011.
Grubhub, Groupon, Basecamp are some great tech success stories that serve as an example of what’s possible in the windy city.
- Hay Nonny Anonny - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 3:45 pm:
Shemp - here’s your “zoom in” perspective.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EkRh8ztmz5O-Ih6gSE1UdovR8WlszG4k3HQWgJ-h70o/pub
- Dead Head - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 4:14 pm:
I would question how many of the manufacturing jobs in Indiana and Wisconsin involve maintaining robots that do the work of ten people?
- Rich Miller - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 4:35 pm:
We’re bleeding jobs and some of y’all are debating graphs.
Ridic.
- City Zen - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 5:16 pm:
A friendly reminder that Illinois’ population is greater than IN and WI combined. Now look at the graphs again and tell me there’s no problem.
- City Zen - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 5:23 pm:
==Among the most populous cities in America, Chicago has the second largest growth in tech jobs, beating Silicon Valley by five percent.==
Then explain HB 3393 that negatively impacts the investors in those tech jobs.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-house-proposes-privilege-tax-on-investment-managers/
- wordslinger - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 5:25 pm:
–A friendly reminder that Illinois’ population is greater than IN and WI combined. Now look at the graphs again and tell me there’s no problem. –
Given global trends, I’d say that at 29.7% of GSP, Indiana is dangerously dependent upon manufacturing.
Manufacturing is 13.4% of Illinois GSP, 18.9% of Wisconsin’s.
The fact, as you point out, that Illinois has a population and GSP larger than Indiana and Wisconsin combined should tell you something about choices being made by capital and labor.
- Anonymous - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 5:31 pm:
===We’re bleeding jobs and some of y’all are debating graphs.===
Debating the difference between papercuts and carotid arteries.
- Chucktownian - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 6:38 pm:
Sounds like Wisconsin and Indiana are luring the low-paying jobs to their states. Those jobs will leave those states too as soon as the tax credits run out.
- Generic Droneagain - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 6:58 pm:
Again you lost mme at IPI
- CEA - Thursday, Apr 6, 17 @ 11:33 pm:
You know, the IPI could put their money where their mouth is, and move to Indiana. They wouldn’t even have to change their acronym. I’d be heartbroken, of course, but I think that over time I would be able to cope with the loss.
- Ron - Friday, Apr 7, 17 @ 11:18 am:
Again:
From February 1990 to February 2017, IL lost 38.5% of it’s manufacturing jobs.
From February 1990 to February 2017, IN lost 12.5% of it’s manufacturing jobs.
From February 1990 to February 2017, WI lost 10.7% of it’s manufacturing jobs.