* Illinois State Board of Education press release…
“State Board of Education staff transmitted a model of the Governor’s Amendatory Veto to SB 1 on Monday afternoon. At 9:27 a.m. today, August 8, 2017, State Board of Education staff received an email from Department of Revenue staff reporting a significant error in the TIF EAV data that the Department of Revenue submitted to the State Board of Education for modeling.
“Once State Board of Education staff receive a revised data set from the Department of Revenue, agency staff will update the model and re-transmit to the Governor’s Office. As with past funding reform models, it will be at the discretion of the sponsor, in this case the Governor, when and how to distribute the file.”
…Adding… Here’s something to ponder. Sen. Andy Manar is the actual “sponsor” of SB1, so shouldn’t he be the one who gets the ISBE funding reform model? I’ve asked the ISBE that question. I’ve also filed a FOIA request for all e-mail correspondence between the Department of Revenue and ISBE that occurred yesterday and today.
…Adding More… I’m told Rep. Will Davis has also requested the analysis from ISBE. Davis is the chief House sponsor of SB1.
*** UPDATE 1 *** From ISBE…
Governor Rauner is the author of the Amendatory Veto, which is what ISBE is modeling. How and when the model is distributed is at the discretion of the Governor. At this moment, there is not a final model to share.
*** UPDATE 2 *** Press release…
With funding for schools across the state hanging in the balance, the Rauner administration is one upping its record of incompetence. After waiting days for the Illinois State Board of Education (ISBE) to score Rauner’s amendatory veto, ISBE now says a Department of Revenue model used in scoring had a “significant error” and the process needs to start all over again.
“Bruce Rauner and his team of ‘superstars’ have made one thing abundantly clear: they don’t have the slightest clue what they’re doing,” said Pritzker campaign spokeswoman Jordan Abudayyeh. “First, Bruce Rauner didn’t know what was in his own plan, then he didn’t know how to pass it, and now his administration can’t even get their numbers straight. Focus, Bruce. Illinois schoolchildren are waiting.
*** UPDATE 3 *** Yep…
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:04 pm:
=== it will be at the discretion of the sponsor, in this case the Governor,===
Wow, Barickman is taking a beating lately.
- Michelle Flaherty - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:04 pm:
I need to google “carry the day” because it must mean something different than I thought.
Weren’t these numbers supposed to “carry the day” on Monday?
- Jimbo2 - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:06 pm:
Would the HDems filing the governors AV allow them to also get a ISBE model of the effects. Allowing them to release such a model even if the Governor doesn’t?
- Norseman - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:08 pm:
=== error in the TIF EAV data that the Department of Revenue submitted to the State Board of Education ===
Was that a bus running over DOR or are they running for BTIATM?
- Fixer - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:09 pm:
Jimbo2, I would almost count on that.
- Juvenal - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:10 pm:
Seems to me that Barbara Flynn Currie ought to file a concurrent request for the identical info under her amendment which is identical to Rauner’s AV.
- Roman - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:10 pm:
- Jimbo2 -
Answer: Yes, Rep. Currie, as the sponsor of the shadow bill in the House, will be entitled to the ISBE scoring.
- Markus - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:10 pm:
Can the Dem’s now submit a request to ISBE for their Amendment 3 to SB 1947 replica of the AV? I’d like to see a model reviewed by Manar and that is not filtered by the IPI.
- From bad to worse - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:11 pm:
Another basic screw up by the best team in America.
- Flynn's mom - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:16 pm:
This is getting better by the second. I don’t think there is enough spin in the world to have the governor and his superstars come out carrying the day.
- Last Bull Moose - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:19 pm:
Another unforced error by the Governor. He still seems to be in financial investment mode where only a few people are allowed to see the numbers before the offer is made. If he had been transparent about what his AV did, he could have had he numbers properly vetted.
With the AV already issued, he is locked in and has to live with whatever the numbers say.
- ILPundit - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:19 pm:
It’s been well established that math has a liberal bias. Don’t count on Rauner releasing numbers anytime soon.
- Old Timer - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:20 pm:
Oh boy Proft will be telling Rauner it’s time to find a new Director for Dept of Revenue!!’!! IPI gets to fill another spot
- anon - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:22 pm:
What does BTIATM mean
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:23 pm:
Is this ISBE saying…
“It’s a process fail, not just a political fail”
If it is, that’s awesome.
- Norseman - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:29 pm:
anon, Best Team in America with a TM for Trademark.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:31 pm:
Anon- Best Team In America Trade Mark
- Juvenal - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:31 pm:
Anon:
Best Team in America (trademark)
BTW, you can now follow them on Twitter @BestTeamAmerica.
- Jocko - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:38 pm:
Anyone hear from Beth Purvis since July 27th? Maybe she can clear up Bruce’s fuzzy numbers.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:41 pm:
BTIA rapidly approaching winner status in the OOPSIE Awards.
- Texas Red - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:43 pm:
Same thing happens in DC; CBO and GAO numbers are often revised for a variety of reasons. One should govt statistics with a grain of salt, very susceptible to influence from insiders seeking a particular outcome.
- Lt Guv - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:44 pm:
Just keeps getting better and sadder at the same time.
- Union Dues - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:47 pm:
Were they told to provide new numbers to make it look better for the Gov?
- JC is just saying... - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:50 pm:
Way to stay on it Rich!!! Thanks for the updates.
- Winnin' - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:54 pm:
Fake News!
- Timed Out - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:54 pm:
@old timer
Good one. IPI’s track record is getting worse by the second. I bet Bruce wished he would have stuck with Mark Kirk’s crew and how pathetic is that.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:58 pm:
Yeah, um, that sponsorship thingy…
Lots of failing to understanding process.
Lots and lots of failing to process.
Hiding all “this” from the Dems… See… Rauner has no budgetary bills sponsored by Raunerites, “can’t own that”… so…
“Thems the breaks”
- A Jack - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 12:59 pm:
BTIA: The long awaited sequel to “Team America.” Except this time you have Griffin and Uhilein pulling the strings.
- Henry Francis - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:05 pm:
Where is Chairman Meeks? What are his thoughts?
- Gruntled University Employee - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:13 pm:
Something tells me that if anyone outside the inner circle gets this report it’s not going to look very good for the BTIA.
- DuPage Saint - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:15 pm:
I cannot wait to sew the results of your FOIA and or the reason they deny it
- Soccermom - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:16 pm:
Can some kind person explain in detail what this means? TIA
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:16 pm:
TR, I bet any numbers that don’t support you’re pre-ordained conclusions are “suspicious.”
In this case, the governor is relying on ISBE and DOR for his numbers. Until they come through, he has no idea as to the impact of what he is proposing via his AV.
Kind of backwards, don’t you think?
- Tommydanger - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:18 pm:
The gang that couldn’t shoot straight can’t add right either.
- Bruce Please - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:25 pm:
The thing that is really crazy here - is how every machination is being played out as if these aren’t the Governor’s agencies. Sure ISBE has its own board, but it’s not independent.
It’s almost like IPI doesn’t realize they now are in charge of running these agencies.
- The Captain - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:26 pm:
These ooda loops keep getting better and better, I honestly have no idea what is going on right now.
- My New Handle - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:27 pm:
I suspect those new numbers somehow will look better in Repub districts, making an override even less of a challenge for those who thought their school districts might really hurt.
- Joe Bidenopolous - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:29 pm:
BTIA #1: Huh, why do these numbers look so bad for Republicans in downstate districts?
BTIA #2: Because to screw Chicago we have to screw other kids too
BTIA #1: Ok, let’s get revenue some “new assumptions” and say they didn’t do it right the first time. No one will see through that.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:36 pm:
BTIA is aware that if an override fails any school funding for this year (it’s August) will require a 2/3 majority?
They’re not mistakenly counting, again, on a simple majority, are they?
- Team America - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:37 pm:
I may need a new nickname.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:38 pm:
===I may need a new nickname. ===
That is the funniest comment you’ve ever posted. Hilarious!
- Texas Red - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:38 pm:
=word
If having “pre-ordained conclusions” means supporting, individual liberty and equality of opportunity, advocating for smaller state/fed government, embracing private property rights, and adherence to the US constitution as written, then I’m guilty as charged.
- Lt Guv - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:39 pm:
Wouldn’t count on that WS. Math seems to be a challenge for BTIA TM.
- Team America - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:40 pm:
Rich, may need a QOTD to help out. Maybe “NotToBeConfusedWithTheBestTeamInAmerica”
- Precinct Captain - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:50 pm:
If you’re playing the FOIA game, you’ve already lost. The only reason to force the filing of a FOIA for information we know they’ve got readily on hand is because it furthers the governor’s agenda of lies and obfuscation.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 1:52 pm:
LOL, TR, no, I was referring to your questioning numbers you haven’t seen yet because you know you probably won’t like them.
Dude, wrapping yourself in the flag is supposed to be the last act of a scoundrel, not the first of a Raunerbot.
- DeseDemDose - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:01 pm:
The Superstars bowling team must always stay late trying to figure out how many points for a gutter ball.
- Arthur Andersen - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:09 pm:
Captain, I think the OODA loops went out the door with the old team. The BTIA(tm) works more like DA whoops O…
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:14 pm:
Regarding the update: Is this the most transparent administration in history or what?
- Jibba - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:21 pm:
Texas Red “If having “pre-ordained conclusions” means supporting, individual liberty and equality of opportunity, advocating for smaller state/fed government, embracing private property rights, and adherence to the US constitution as written, then I’m guilty as charged.”
So you have no problem making up numbers to support your political agenda of limited government, damn the evidence. Makes sense, given your comments of the past. Got it. Not sure how the US constitution or property rights have anything to do with SB 1, but good try.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:25 pm:
To the update:
Is ISBE suggesting they don’t have to share their numbers with the public?
On what grounds, and why?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:35 pm:
This…
===“Bruce Rauner and his team of ‘superstars’ have made one thing abundantly clear: they don’t have the slightest clue what they’re doing,” said Pritzker campaign spokeswoman Jordan Abudayyeh. “First, Bruce Rauner didn’t know what was in his own plan, then he didn’t know how to pass it, and now his administration can’t even get their numbers straight. Focus, Bruce. Illinois schoolchildren are waiting.”===
This… This is “Patterson Perfect”.
- James - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:38 pm:
Willard Ice is spinnin’.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:41 pm:
===Governor Rauner is the author of the Amendatory Veto, which is what ISBE is modeling. How and when the model is distributed is at the discretion of the Governor. At this moment, there is not a final model to share.===
Numbers never fib, so the fib needs to overshadow the numbers.
Good luck with that.
- Arsenal - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:43 pm:
==If having “pre-ordained conclusions” means supporting, individual liberty and equality of opportunity, advocating for smaller state/fed government, embracing private property rights, and adherence to the US constitution as written, then I’m guilty as charged.==
But you can’t hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
- Arthur Andersen - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:55 pm:
Arsenal, I thought you were pre-med lol.
Jordan does need to update the talking points; Out with the Superstars, in with the Best Team In America ™
- illini - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 2:56 pm:
Rich - thank you for filing the FOIA request. Many of us will be very interested in knowing what you discover.
In the meantime I will continue to follow the personal and political dynamics of this standoff.
- walker - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 3:14 pm:
JB’s ad team starts the creative process reading CapFax. Amazing turnaround.
- Dee Lay - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 3:29 pm:
The author argument doesn’t fly unless you treat the AV as a new document and not a modification to a previous document.
Is an AV a new document or a modification?
- northsider (the original) - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 3:32 pm:
Wow. This is either completely hinky or a radically incompetent administration.
Or both.
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 3:41 pm:
=Arsenal, I thought you were pre-med lol.=
Pre-med, pre-law whatever.
- Earnest - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 3:54 pm:
>For 2 months, Rauner admin had every lever of govt to prep AV & supporting docs to show how it works. Today they still aren’t prepared.
Brutal. And accurate.
- Flynn's mom - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 4:02 pm:
Rich, could you please re-post the list of school districts and how many days of cash they have on hand? Thank you.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 4:10 pm:
Soccer Mom- The BTIA came out of these comments by Rauner at the flood…
“That’s interesting folks are focused on administration personnel issues,” Rauner said. “But we’re always building and enhancing the best team we can possibly have. I’m incredibly proud. We got an outstanding team. I think we’ve got the best team to lead the turnaround and restoration and transformation of the state of Illinois.”
https://tinyurl.com/y9y49qc2
And then several CapFax commenters took it from there, complete with the trademark
- Rod - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 4:14 pm:
So I have to wonder if prior TIF EAV data used by the Illinois Department of Revenue website during the discussions of the Illinois Funding Reform Commission were even correct. For example October 5, 2016 the commission had a power point presentation of this same data in aggregate for the State, see https://www.isbe.net/Documents_ISFRC/161005-IL-property-tax-johnson.pdf . From the ISBE statement the error was “significant,” and there is no indication how far back this mistake goes in the records of Dept of Revenue. This is very disturbing on many levels.
- Juvenal - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 4:41 pm:
=== with a significant error ===
Governor’s Office ought to pin that to their Facebook
- Markus - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 4:46 pm:
Flynn’s mom- The CapFax article with the referenced cash on hand link.
https://capitolfax.com/2017/07/31/isbe-no-schools-have-submitted-plans-to-delay-reopening/
- Hieronymus - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 5:32 pm:
Rauner, BTIA & IPI, LLP are banking that tortured data will eventually confess.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 5:59 pm:
This is just a bizarre play all the way around.
The first school payment is due Thursday, and the governor’s peeps have no idea what impact their “ideas” will have on school districts.
You want school funding to be the platform for a dorm-room debate about TIFS? On Aug. 8?
You BTIA kids have real jobs now with real responsibility and accountability. Better get some game in a hurry.
- Flynn's mom - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 6:27 pm:
@Markus…thank you.
- Grandson of Man - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 7:13 pm:
Never again should the IPI criticize state workers as being overpaid after this rank incompetence.
But then again, these people, like Bruce, don’t care about governin’.
- Arthur Andersen - Tuesday, Aug 8, 17 @ 8:32 pm:
word, sad but true. Unfortunately someone’s mistake at Revenue gives the BTIA ™ plenty of room to shift the blame to the bureaucracy instead of their bumbling around with the scoring for weeks.
- Ayesha - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 4:52 am:
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