* House Republicans were advised to either vote “No” or “Present” on the legislation, which contains the same language as the governor’s SB1 amendatory veto…
An “up” day?
* From the House committee hearing earlier today…
Rep. Jeanne Ives, R-Wheaton, questioned the superintendents’ prediction of a loss of state money under Rauner’s version, saying the Illinois State Board of Eduction has not produced any numbers to back up those claims.
“Nobody knows what the numbers will be in 2020,” Ives said.
At one point, she asked a group of education officials testifying before the committee a question, and Ralph Martire, executive director of the liberal Center for Tax and Budget Accountability, leaned in to talk to the panel.
Ives said Martire’s offered counsel was an indication that members of the panel could not answer questions on their own. That prompted a rebuke from Davis, who said the comment was insulting and that panelists are allowed to consult with advocates and lobbyists.
“Is this really what it’s deteriorating to in state government? Really?” Canton Superintendent Rolf Siversten asked Ives. “You are embarrassing yourself.”
*** UPDATE *** Finke…
Republican legislative leaders said Wednesday they’ll be meeting with [the two Democratic legislative leaders] in Chicago Friday to attempt a compromise on the school funding reform issue. […]
“I think Senate Bill 1 is dead,” said Senate Republican Leader Bill Brady of Bloomington. “It was a poor attempt to ram a Democratic proposal through the process.” […]
“The governor’s involvement would be beneficial,” Brady said when asked if Rauner should be part of talks. “I don’t know that it’s necessary at this point. I think the four of us need to come together.”
- Honeybadger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:13 pm:
When hasn’t Jeanne Ives not embarrassed herself?
- Keyrock - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:14 pm:
Bruce has never been happier.
- Ed Equity - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:14 pm:
Trump’s twitter account and Jeanne Ives mouth are two counter-intutive weapons. What comes out of both will inevitably go down in flames. Against SB1, against tax credit scholarships (even though she has been for school choice in the past), against anything but her narrow view of perfect. A caucus of one….maybe two. She is as much to blame as those she points her finger at. “If you spot it, you got it”.
- Perrid - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:15 pm:
Devolved too? Don’t this is a deterioration for her, just business as usual.
- allknowingmasterofracoondom - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:16 pm:
Who’s embarrassing themselves Mr. Siversten?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:17 pm:
The “green” buttons were Pineapple, like school funding is Pineapple, like Ms. Ives remarks were Pineapple…
… the only thing not Pineapple was embarrassing Rauner, Raunerites, and pointing out where the AV fails.
That worked.
This is indeed an “up day”
BTIA(tm)
- NeverPoliticallyCorrect - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:23 pm:
So “More Money Matire” was down there, not a surprise. He never met a tax increase he didn’t like. While Ives can be a pain any Supt. who knows what they are doing should be able to answer those questions. Or they could bring their School Business Official. Martire is there to make sure all the right answers are given.
- Ducky LaMoore - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:23 pm:
===“You are embarrassing yourself.”===
Impossible. But you could be embarrassed for her.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:24 pm:
But isn’t this what is wanted by the GOP? I am confused. Either SB1 in entirety needs to be pushed through or a realistic modification needs to be made ASAP. Clearly the AV of Rauner isn’t what anyone really wants.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:25 pm:
- NeverPoliticallyCorrect -
Even with the tax increase, the budget has a huge hole, according to Rauner himself.
Explain how revenue, even more revenue isn’t needed.
Take your time, bring charts, graphs, PowerPoint…
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:25 pm:
I’ve never seen any evidence that Ives is capable of embarrassment.
So what did all the supportive sups. and teachers Rauner has been gabbing with at the fair have to say at the hearing?
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:25 pm:
Hey, on the bright side, the gov didn’t join the Century Club on this one.
But seriously, how can you tell the GOP to vote no on your own language? Same thing happened when they introduced versions of the turnaround agenda.
Could it be that the governor doesn’t have the votes for his agenda and never has? Could it be because in a democracy you either have the votes to pass your bills or you lose? I have been saying this since the summer of 2014. Bruce Rauner has never understood that you need 60 and 30 (or 71 and 36) and that you can’t hold a gun to people’s heads to get 60 and 30. He’s never learned how to govern. And the #BestTeamInAmerica sure ain’t helpin’.
- SinkingShip - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:27 pm:
Rep. Ives has been embarrassing herself for a long time now.
- Concerned Dem - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:28 pm:
Rauner = Radioactive (when it comes to his AV on SB1)
- Honeybadger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:28 pm:
The problem is the Raunerite party have no idea what they want, they only do and vote how their leader tells them. They talk about the Dems being mushrooms for Speaker Madigan, the Raunerites are worse by 100 fold.
- Lamont - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:30 pm:
The Republican “present” votes are akin to the answers Rauner gives when questioned by interviewers. Does anyone in the Republican Party, besides those who voted for the budget override, have a spine?
- Jibba - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:31 pm:
Don’t they know how dumb it looks to vote no on your own Gov’s language, then turn around and vote no on overriding the AV? Pick a lane.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:33 pm:
Sooo …
A) House ILGOP members were ordered by Rauner to not support Rauner’s school funding plan
or
B) Rauner’s ILGOP house members really don’t support Rauner’s school plan
Based on the track record to date, I pick ‘A’ … creating more crisis in the mistaken belief that the minority can change the majority’s mind. That hasn’t worked very well for two and a half years.
Beginning to think we won’t have school funding before January … and even then only if some ILGOP members decide to vote against Rauner’s orders.
- Commonsense in Illinois - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:35 pm:
===House Republicans were advised to either vote “No” or “Present”====
House Republicans were given a pass at Governor Rauner’s “rewrite to make right” fix? On Monday, Governor Rauner tells Amanda Vinicky there is nothing in his AV he considers a “must have?”
Governor, if there were no “must haves,” why the AV?
Forest Gump’s mother was right…
- Norseman - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:37 pm:
RNUG, the show was “A,” but I think if this wasn’t a game, “B” would have been the result.
To: Rolf Siversten - Well said.
- A guy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:37 pm:
Procedural cuteness now dealt with. Sit down and make a deal.
- PDJT - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:37 pm:
So the best argument Rep. Ives could make for upholding Gov. Rauner’s AV was, “Nobody knows what the numbers will be in 2020”
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:43 pm:
===So the best argument Rep. Ives could make for upholding Gov. Rauner’s AV was, “Nobody knows what the numbers will be in 2020”
Who knows, we could get hit by a meteor. Do you want to plan for something that might not happen?
Seriously, this whole debate has been awful. It’s not about a one year appropriation, but a formula that would hopefully work for years.
- Real - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:44 pm:
To the Brady update.
How is sb1 dead with so many superintendents, teachers, and organizations supporting it? The only thing dead is that av and Rauner’s agenda.
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:45 pm:
=== “It was a poor attempt to ram a Democratic proposal through the process.” […]
Fine. I get the Republicans don’t like the way Chicago is treated. Other than that, what do they want that is different? Does anyone have any idea?
- Honeybadger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:47 pm:
To the update:
So let’s assume the 4 leaders come to an agreement, both houses vote on it and it passes, then it goes to the Governor and he vetoes it or he tells the Raunerites to vote no and he sells out Brady and Durkin.
- City Zen - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:47 pm:
The time to cut off Martire’s input in state govt was 10 years ago. It’s all hands on deck now. Let the man speak.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:47 pm:
== Procedural cuteness now dealt with. Sit down and make a deal. ==
The time to make a deal was 3 months ago. That boat has already sailed.
- Skeptic - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:48 pm:
Ok, do I have this right? The SDems hold on to the bill. Rauner says “Let me have it so I can AV.” SDems say, “Can we talk?” Rauner says, “No way, that’s outrageous[banned punctuation.]” SDems say, “Ok then, here it is.” Rauner says, “Here’s my AV.” SDems say, “Well, it’s an AV, which means it’s ‘Take it or Leave it.’ Thanks anyway, we’ll just leave it.” Rauner says, “Can we talk?” SDems say, “The time for talking was before we sent you the bill.” Rauner says, “That’s outrageous[banned punctuation.] Madigan, bad.” Did I miss something?
- Concerned Dem - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:48 pm:
Let me help Sen. Brady clarify his comment.
“I think the Governor’s Amendatory Veto is dead,”… “It was a poor attempt to ram an Illinois Policy Institute proposal through the process.”
- HangingOn - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:52 pm:
@Skeptic I think you missed “simple majority” or something somewhere…
- Winnin' - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:54 pm:
In the end, Rauner will refuse to agree with anything,bargain in bad faith, and a coalition will have to come together despite Rauner. And it will be Madigan’s fault. You can see the Rauner train wreck comin’.
- Skeptic - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:55 pm:
HangingOn: Good point. Although I deliberately left out all the pineapples and Chicago Bailout … er kumquats.
- House of Cards - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:57 pm:
=Skeptic - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 2:48 pm:=
“Did I miss something?”
I’d say that pretty much sums it up!
- JohnnyPyleDriver - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:02 pm:
honestly though, can somebody help me out. What is the play on Rauner’s behalf to instruct members to vote no or present? Is it simply that he knows he doesn’t have the votes and doesn’t want to actually have it demonstrated, so they vote no and cry “sham” process?
- Mama - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:05 pm:
“It was a poor attempt to ram a Democratic proposal through the process.” […]”
Brady, how the heck can you say the bill was rammed? They worked on this bill for 2 years with support from the schools & both sides of the aisle.
- Mama - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:07 pm:
Oops… wrong bill. Sorry
- Harvest76 - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:08 pm:
Republican legislators were encouraged to vote no. I assume that’s so we don’t see which ones really meant it?
- Cardsfan - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:09 pm:
JohnnyPyleDriver I am wondering the same thing. I’m not following how it benefits Rauner to have all the House R’s vote “no” or “present” on legislation that is identical to his AV.
Perhaps OW, RNUG or 47th Ward can help explain
- Ghost - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:11 pm:
Dems shouldnt have rammed it through. They should have had talks with Rauners point people and worked out a deal over a few months of negotiations. Incorporating all of the proposals Rauner sent over during neogtiations into their proposal… oh wait…..
- Morty - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:11 pm:
“You are embarrassing yourself.”
A person with no sense of dignity can’t be embarrassed
- Mama - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:12 pm:
Rauner has his ducks in a row. Why would Rauner tell his peeps to vote against a bill that has the same language his bill? Hmm…
- JohnnyPyleDriver - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:12 pm:
I sort of understood the no votes on the individual pieces of the TA because they were only ever supposed to be part of a package deal with Dems, and so if the Dems aren’t going to vote for it, no point. But isn’t this exactly what he wants? So confused
- Nikolas Name - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:14 pm:
== House Republicans were advised to either vote “No” or “Present” on the legislation==
So those of us that have a GOP rep do not have reps. Rauner has them. Great. Real freakin great.
- Will Caskey - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:14 pm:
I have legitimately never encountered this sort of show vote stunt working in over 30 other states and have labored in vain to figure out why it is considered clever/constructive only in the Illinois House.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:15 pm:
Rauner did not ask GOP members to vote “yes” because that would reveal how few were willing to do so.
- Nikolas Name - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:16 pm:
Oh, and since we’re talking fruit. Looks like apples and oranges are the same thing here.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:18 pm:
The point is to embarrass Rauner and Durkin.
The “goal” (ugh) is indeed to have no support for the isolated language, and Rauner not to reveal how little support HE has for the language too.
Zero “green”
It’s tiring.
- Winnin' - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:18 pm:
The media has generally done a poor job of reporting that most school districts will eventually lose under the Rauner proposal. This gives Rauner and his Raunerite members a free pass to vote against an override.
Chicago and Madigan Bad.
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:28 pm:
===The media has generally done a poor job of reporting that most school districts will eventually lose under the Rauner proposal
Exactly. It’s being treated as an appropriation and not as a formula change that would be in place for years.
- Will Caskey - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:29 pm:
Oswego Willy that is utterly bonkers. I know you probably agree, I just cannot emphasize enough how dysfunctional the IL House specifically is. I can’t name another chamber in the entire country that is run so nuttily and poorly, not even the U.S. House.
- King Louis XVI - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:33 pm:
–The media has generally done a poor job of reporting that most school districts will eventually lose under the Rauner proposal.–
The Illinois news media is an economic shell of its former self. Fewer reporters, photographers, editors, etc are on staff.
- Ray Batman - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:34 pm:
Can anyone remember when Senator Brady had an original thought or was part of the solution?
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:37 pm:
To Rep. Ives’ point, is ISBE working on a 2020 analysis? Will we get their perspective on what will happen then? If no one has yet asked, will Rep. Ives ask for the analysis?
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:39 pm:
== I’m not following how it benefits Rauner to have all the House R’s vote “no” or “present” on legislation that is identical to his AV. ==
A “present” vote can’t easily be used against you in a campaign ad.
And as others have pointed out, unlikely it would have gotten many yes votes if people really understand the effect a couple of years down the road.
- King Louis XVI - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:42 pm:
–I have legitimately never encountered this sort of show vote stunt working in over 30 other states and have labored in vain to figure out why it is considered clever/constructive only in the Illinois House.–
… and Mike Madigan is the longest serving state house speaker in US history. Coincidence?
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:43 pm:
So -OW-, -Word-, -AA-, what do you think the line is on the number of days before Rauner throws Brady or Durkin under the bus?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:48 pm:
===…that is utterly bonkers. I know you probably agree, I just cannot emphasize enough how dysfunctional the IL House specifically is.===
I said its tiring. I think that speaks to my frustration.
===…what do you think the line is on the number of days before Rauner throws Brady or Durkin under the bus?===
Hard to gauge.
I think the date, let’s say, is over/under “August 27th”
That’s 10 days of frantic horse-trading or leverage, depending on what side your on(?)
- Sue - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:53 pm:
Oswego- now that madigan doesn’t have the votes to ram thru his Chicago centric bill what do you suggest he do if he wants a school funding bill?
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:53 pm:
RNUG - gosh, is it ok if we listen in?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:56 pm:
===…now that madigan doesn’t have the votes to ram thru his Chicago centric bill what do you suggest he do if he wants a school funding bill?===
- Sue -
You should ask Gov. Rauner, after his Veto kills the bill how he plans to fund K-12 schools?
Rauner vetoed that.
- Sue - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:01 pm:
Wouldn’t CBA relief for the suburbs and downstate be a fair exchange for the CPS additional funding. If districts are not interested they can continue to let the IEA agreements remain as is?
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:12 pm:
Sue: you’re talking about a permanent change to CBA laws in a deal for 1 year’s funding. That’s a hard sell.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:18 pm:
== - Anonymous - @ 3:53 pm: ==
Pick a name and join in.
I somewhat know the backgrounds of the people I named, and I know they can make informed guesses.
For that matter, -AA- and I have a somewhat shared background shuffling around State Government.
- Sue - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:21 pm:
Anon- SB 1 gave CPS an ongoing increase to its State funding I believe your one year statement is inaccurate
- Anon221 - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:27 pm:
The legislation that got all the “pretty colors” today was not Rauner’s AV, it was its own bill even though it was identical in language to his AV. If any of the Republucans had voted Green, over the next week the Dems could pound their districts hard and heavy with the long term consequences of such support. Since it wasn’t Rauner’s AV, and thus not a direct route to kill SB 1, they can sit this round out. However, the Dems should still use this as much as possible to show the hypocrisy of Rauner’s AV and who it will truly hurt if it is used to kill SB1 next week. I’ve said it before, if SB1 dies next week, Republican heads will roll because Rauner is determined to drag this out as long as possible for his own benefit. There is really no consequences to him if schools close while the “just one more thing” negotiations drag on through the fall. What’s the worst thing that can happen to him.., he loses in 2018??? Remember those two US Supreme Court cases are what lights up his life. All the rest is just leverages and squirrels to him.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:54 pm:
“The Governor’s involvement would be beneficial.”
Sigh. What a sad situation. Are you listening Mr. Rauner?
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:56 pm:
==I think the four of us need to come together==
What good is that if the Governor can then swoop in and derail the whole thing. It’s happened before. He either: (1) needs to be part of the negotiations; or (2) get out of the way completely and let Brady and Durkin come to an agreement with Madigan and Cullerton and sign whatever they agree to.
- Cardsfan - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 6:13 pm:
Anon221 - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:27 pm
Ahhh….that makes perfect sense, in a twisted, IL politics sort of way.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 6:14 pm:
- Will Caskey -
When I see these Blago Days “up day” moves, and the continued working publicly with these votes, and then the need for both parties to trust each other, then everyone needs to trust Rauner (in this case), I just wait for this to pass, the rhetorical back and forth and try to find where the next move actually moves something.
Hope that amplifies my short-ish answer.
OW
- Pundent - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 6:41 pm:
Sue - this isn’t about any CBA or politics it’s about the children. Smilin Rauner told me so, repeatedly, Monday night.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 6:42 pm:
Stop holding our children hostage. We will remember in the election.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 7:53 pm:
== We will remember in the election. ==
Just be sure to blame the right people.
Rauner, who vetoed it.
And the shortest path to ensuring school funding is to override the Governor’s veto.
Since the current override effort is about 11- 12 votes short, the ILGOP House members who vote against the override.
- Trapped in the 'burbs - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 8:04 pm:
Is Ives the new Dwight Kay?
- Huh? - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 8:35 pm:
OW - I did the Google thing and don’t understand the “pineapple” reference. You may have explained it, I can’t find it. Being old, a bit dense, and slow on the uptake, I don’t always understand new references or slang. So please explain. Thanks
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 8:39 pm:
- Huh? -
@RadicalCandorIL - Replacin “broken” with “pineapple” makes @GovRauner interview more fun: “Well, I tell you, we have a pineapple budget situation in Illinois”
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 8:40 pm:
- Huh? -
If you go on The Twitter, visit or follow @RadicalCandorIL.
It’s good fun.
- Huh? - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 4:55 am:
Got it. Have been to the radical candor Twitter. Missed the pineapple.
- DeseDemDose - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 10:08 am:
Rauner has thrown everybody who trusted him so far under the bus. When will Durkin and Brady get the guts to stand up to him even the teensiest bit. They are so VP Pence like.
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