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*** UPDATED x1 *** Moylan apparently doesn’t realize that people use cannabis now
Tuesday, May 7, 2019 - Posted by Rich Miller * Rep. Marty Moylan (D-Des Plaines) on legislation that will allow households to grow up to five cannabis plants in secured rooms…
Dude, I got news for you: Cannabis is already in your neighborhood. Your neighbors are consuming it, perhaps even right this moment. And most of your neighbors want it legalized. All you’re doing is defending the economic interests of the often violent criminal network that grows and then distributes the product in your own neighborhood. * Also…
I… I just… Nevermind. *** UPDATE *** I took a look at the totals from the 2016 countywide referendum on whether cannabis should be legalized. Moylan lives in Maine Township Precinct 14. The referendum passed 69-31 in his home precinct. That’s a better showing than the district-wide vote of 62-38. Marty, your neighbors really want this. …Adding… One of the goofiest things I’ve ever read…
Cheech and Chong are supporters. Chong sits on the NORML advisory board for crying out loud.
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- lakeside - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:41 am:
The minorities he’s talking about are the minority of people that are not currently using weed or are neutral towards it. Find me someone willing to say on camera, “Not the weed[banned punctuation]”
- OneMan - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:41 am:
Oh, who are the pot users in your neighborhood?
In your neighborhood?
In your neighborhood?
Say, who are the tokers in your neighborhood?
The people that you meet each day
[Anything Muppet #1: Don’t you like Christmas?]
[Bob: Oh, I love Christmas. But you could be the postman.]
[Anything Muppet #1: A postman, hmmmm …]
Oh, the postman always brings the mail
Through rain or snow or sleet or hail
I’ll work and work the whole day through
And then have a toke when I am through
All:
Well, they’re the users that you meet
When you’re walking down the street
They’re the users that you meet each day
The baker is the one who makes
Your bread and rolls and pies and cakes
If you got some serious munchies go see
The baker in the bakery
A teacher works the whole day through
To teach important things to you
He’ll teach you things you won’t forget
and then toke up after dealing with your folks
There the people on the street,
they are are users you meet each day….
- Dotnonymous - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:42 am:
Who are the “they” on “their” porches?…I wonder?Moylan seems very angry with “them”…the porch people that is…whoever Moylan thinks “they” are?
I don’t have a clue?…and Moylan doesn’t either?
- Al - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:46 am:
Des Plaines? Isn’t that the home of the $500 million a year Casino? Hmmm. Interesting.
- XDNR - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:47 am:
Moylan is affected by a delirium otherwise called Reefer Madness.
- Stark - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:47 am:
Man yells at cloud.
- Just Observing - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:55 am:
I’m still all worked up about all my neighbors selling, day-in and day-out, bathtub gin from their front porches.
- Stones - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:55 am:
Whatever Rep. Moylan is smoking I’ll have two. Oh never mind….
- wordslinger - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:57 am:
Since Moylan keeps changing his story and they never make any sense, I figure he’s a politician with an angle.
Is it to keep that civil asset forfeiture gravy train running? Local coppers can pick up some cars to tool around in with that.
I noticed that the deep-thinkers in troncsylvania confessed yesterday that the legal weed process was going too fast for their big brains to handle.
That, I believe, was a surprisingly candid admission and sincere.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:58 am:
Mr. Moylan is living in a delusional state of what he thinks is this Americana way long gone, and ignoring realities by using racial leans to persuade his long gone time is current time.
I’d like to think this is a con job. He knows better, but is doing it anyway… not so sure anymore.
- Amalia - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 11:59 am:
maybe Moylan is into delay mode until “people” figure out how to profit from weed. they already have the gambling racket down, now they just can’t possibly let a different crowd profit from weed. or let us average types grow for home consumption.
- Dotnonymous - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:00 pm:
“Get offa my lawn and quit growin’ pot on my porch”…what Moylan yells at random persons on porches?
- Grandson of Man - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:00 pm:
I hope the GA has the wisdom to finally stop the Reefer Madness. Thankfully there’s a strong push for change, and to stop people like Moylan from dictating anymore whether responsible adults can legally buy and consume something less harmful than alcohol and guns.
- DuPage Moderate - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:00 pm:
I haven’t been to a party in 5 years where some well adjusted adult wasn’t openly using or offering. And, nobody cared.
Moylan needs to wake up or get out of the way. It’s 2019.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:02 pm:
Bottom line this is reefer madness and you just can’t do that anymore with all of these other states that have legalized search engines like google. Pretty insulting really.
- G'Kar - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:04 pm:
Since I don’t have a front or back porch, I guess Moylan isn’t talking about me. We’ll just grow some in our sun room.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:05 pm:
66% of us in our state think cannabis prohibition is a failure. Time to boot out any politician that will not bend to what a vast majority of the citizens want.
- Lefty Lefty - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:07 pm:
I’m pretty sure that Illinois has a decent anti-civil forfeiture law now.
Found it:
https://capitolfax.com/2017/09/20/rauner-signs-civil-asset-forfeiture-reform-bill/
ACLU and IPI both celebrated it!
- El Conquistador - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:08 pm:
This guy is obviously an out of touch dufus. Please quit shining a light on him it only emboldens him.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:08 pm:
===Time to boot out any politician that will not bend to what a vast majority of the citizens want.===
Not every thing that is popular makes for good policy.
Sometimes good policy isn’t at all popular, but it doesn’t make it bad policy.
Popularity is an element, an element here, in this lone instance of discussion, where it can matter, should be a factor, and ignoring that popularity is a probable mistake.
- Cheryl44 - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:09 pm:
What year is it where he lives?
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:09 pm:
=== Please quit shining a light on him===
1) Get your own blog.
2) This post was derived from the coverage by two Chicago newspapers. Your beef is with them.
- Dotnonymous - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:10 pm:
To deny home grow is to ensure the continued existence of a thriving black market…24/7/365.
Home Grow is the very foundation of cannabis legalization…and that’s exactly why any bill denying that right will not end Prohibition…or will it restore justice where there was persecution… or represent the will of voters.
- We'll See - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:10 pm:
Wait, people sell weed???
- Pot calling kettle - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:15 pm:
People who garden small amounts of produce generally share with their neighbors. I share my tomatoes, peppers, and herbs (I even share asparagus). I’m guessing pot will fit in that category.
- Dotnonymous - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:16 pm:
Light/sunshine is and always has been the best dis-infectant…and laughter is the best medicine…so it’s a twofer.
Thanks for shining it,Miller.
- City Zen - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:18 pm:
“They’re going to be growing it on the back porch and selling it on the front porch,”
Farm to table.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:27 pm:
–All you’re doing is defending the economic interests of the often violent criminal network that grows and then distributes the product in your own neighborhood.–
The Prohibition Era was filled with politicians who claimed to support the 18th Amendment for moral reasons, yet played with ball with and took money from bootlegging gangsters.
Think Big Bill Thompson and Len Small.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:30 pm:
–I’m pretty sure that Illinois has a decent anti-civil forfeiture law now. ACLU and IPI both celebrated it.–
It’s not a slam dunk.
–The law still allows people to lose their property through forfeiture even if they’ve been convicted of no crime, and the scheme for allocating forfeited assets remains unchanged, meaning the same police department that seizes your money gets to keep it after the cash is forfeited. Additionally, “equitable sharing” arrangements with the federal government still provide a loophole through which Illinois law enforcement agencies can avoid complying with the safeguards provided under state law.–
https://www.aclu-il.org/en/news/illinois-has-new-civil-asset-forfeiture-law-will-it-stop-policing-profit
- Three Dimensional Checkers - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:34 pm:
I would guess Rep. Moylan either wants something in exchange for supporting legalization or he thinks legalization opponents will definitely vote against him for supporting legalization while proponents won’t come out to support him.
- Honeybear - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:35 pm:
-All you’re doing is defending the economic interests of the often violent criminal network that grows and then distributes the product in your own neighborhood.-
Amen and amen
- Smitty Irving - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:38 pm:
Is Marty Moylan descended from Harry Anslinger? /s
- Prison Mike - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:42 pm:
“Drugs ruin lives people. Drugs destroy careers. Take Cheech and Chong, everybody knows that Cheech and Chong are funny, but just imagine how funny they would be if they didn’t smoke pot”-michael scott
- frustrated GOP - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:45 pm:
Cheech Martin has his own Pot out in the market. So it’s their Pot, and I am guessing they are doing ok on the career format.
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:51 pm:
Tommy Chong went to federal prison for selling bongs on the Internet. Not marijuana, just water pipes. That’s how (deleted) up our criminal justice system is.
- Dotnonymous - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:52 pm:
I hope Moylan recognizes legal pot growers/ legal pot dealers will grow one half million pounds next year…but…not on their porches…so O.K.?
Marty?…Marty??…are you awake?
- Grandson of Man - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:56 pm:
Any top agency jobs open for Moylan?
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 12:59 pm:
===Any top agency jobs open for Moylan?===
Better yet, a primary challenger can start circulating petitions in about three months.
- 4200 - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:04 pm:
I’m bringing some edibles to a Marty party next year.
- Unpopular - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:05 pm:
Thank you Rep. Moylan. Only in this bizzaro world would people think legalizing another mind altering substance is a good idea. Sometimes “the people” are just flat wrong. This is one of those times.
- DoobieDoobieDo - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:08 pm:
Moylan has an agenda, get his name in as many publications as possible and it helps if he feigns outrage.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:19 pm:
===Only in this bizzaro world===
The vast majority of people disagree with you, so now you live in a bizzaro world.
That says more about you than you may realize.
- Marty Meh-lan - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:24 pm:
Rich - I would love it if you could reach out to the newly elected aldermen of Des Plaines, especially Colt Moylan, to see if they agree with their State Rep’s antiquated position on this issue … especially when it could mean additional revenue generation and jobs in their community.
- Ducky LaMoore - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:32 pm:
Nothing better than watching a rep making a gigantic case for a top-tier primary challenger. When you are going against 62% of your constituency (and I believe that is total numbers, not just democrats, so it is probably way more than 62%), you are just begging for it.
- cover - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:35 pm:
= Mr. Moylan is living in a delusional state of what he thinks is this Americana way long gone =
OW, sadly this viewpoint seems to also sum up what’s left of your party…
- Ginhouse Tommy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:39 pm:
Moylan needs to be told you’re not in Kansas anymore. Wake up. OW nice to see you commenting again. Hope you were just on vacation.
- {Sigh} - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:42 pm:
Does anyone know how many full time and part-times jobs there are in the current industry broken down by cultivation center, transport and dispensary?
- XonXoff - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:43 pm:
“This is not your grandfather’s THC, or pot,”
I am so tired of hearing this lazy, uninformed argument. The strong Indicas prevalent nowadays are a direct product of the black market (and selective breeding, of course) under prohibition because Indicas produce more flower in considerably less flowering time. In some cases, months less. Your grandfathers pot was primarily landrace sativas smuggled from Columbia, Jamaica and Mexico. Sativas take much longer to flower and have a considerably different (happier and energetic) effect than the body stone Indicas the black market our streets with since the mid-eighties. If I have the opportunity to grow for myself in Illinois, I’ll opt for old-school, lower THC Jamaican, Thai, Colombian and Hawaiian Sativa genetics. They all but vanished in the mid-80’s to stronger and faster growing Indicas from underground production growers. And the beauty is, in a regulated environment, the lower THC Sativas Grandpa enjoyed (and many will now prefer) become available again without worry of getting shanked by some drug dealer in an alley for whatever extra cash you have in your pockets.
Plus, you don’t need to worry about whether the stuff was sprayed by the government with paraquat – like Grandpa’s pot – may he rest in peace.
Beyond that, humans titrate their own dose based on strength. If it’s high THC, you use less. Use more and you become passive, settle in, and take a nap, which appeals to some people. That’s where the testing and THC numbers become another benefit of buying from a dispensary.
Bottom line; Grandpa’s Sativas stand a great chance to make a comeback in a regulated adult use environment. They have near zero chance of making it to the street, under Marty’s preferred model.
- Because I said so.... - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:46 pm:
Marty gonna Marty.
- Truthteller - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 1:57 pm:
I would check where the anti-pot crowd is giving their money. When things don’t make sense, money is usually involved.
- Da Big Bad Wolf - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:01 pm:
==“Cheech and Chong would really disagree on how this is done.”==
Doesn’t Marty have an intern or somebody who can use the phone and get an actual quote from Cheech or Chong? It must be nice to be naturally high all day.
- Jocko - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:08 pm:
==do you want this stuff in your neighborhood==
Someone tell grandpa “this stuff” is legal in 10 states and decriminalized in another 14.
In addition to giving me the names of at least two “minorities” he’s spoken with who’ve expressed reservations…I challenge Marty to identify one person physically addicted to marijuana.
- Pundent - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:17 pm:
=I am so tired of hearing this lazy, uninformed argument.= And these arguments are almost always advanced by those that claim that more “studies” are needed.
If the whole basis of your argument is junk science and/or urban myths then you’ve made it pretty clear to the rest of us that you’ll never be on-board with pot legalization.
I’m ok with the fact that Moylan doesn’t want legal pot. No explanation needed particularly if it relies on such easily debunked nonsense.
- Anon-I-Guess - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:32 pm:
At this point I’m convinced he’s just rolling Rich Miller specifically
- Anon-I-Guess - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:33 pm:
*trolling
- wordslinger - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:35 pm:
–.. we don’t have to endure the lecture of how wonderful this is going to be for society.–
Perhaps delicate daisies like yourself should avoid such high-stress discussions that give you the sads.
- The Bashful Raconteur - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:49 pm:
We hear Marty has another member of the clergy on his side: Sister Mary Elephant.
- consmom - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 2:55 pm:
I guess none of you have teenage children or grandchildren that you care about. There are numerous studies linking teenage marijuana use with declines in memory and cognitive functions and an increase in psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. Now before you all say, but teenagers drink alcohol, the studies show that alcohol does not affect the brain like marijuana does. And we all know that legalizing marijuana will make it more available to teenagers. So someone please tell me how we are going to avoid the increase in marijuana use by teenagers. Do we want a generation of kids losing IQ points by the day (I read something that a teenager’s use even just a couple of times has an adverse affect on his/her brain)? And switching to adults, I recently read about the increase in ER visits in Colorado due to an illness called CHS that results from marijuana use. One article said that at a Denver area hospital, 2,500 of 10,000 ER visits were due to marijuana use. More ER visits sure sounds great to me.
- don the legend - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 3:06 pm:
There is definitely an ID10T problem in the Illinois 55th District. Call Tech Services right away.
- Grandson of Man - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 3:14 pm:
“So someone please tell me how we are going to avoid the increase in marijuana use by teenagers.”
By selling it only to adults and banning sales to kids, for one. For another, investment in teen drug use prevention programs. If kids really want to get high, they will, law or no law, head in the sand or not.
I know plenty of people who smoked weed as teenagers. They’re okay today. There are plenty of adults today who used as teenagers. The vast majority I’d think are okay today, too.
Teen use has reportedly decreased in Colorado and Washington, since legalization.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 3:17 pm:
consmom, illegal pot dealers do not card their customers. Cannabis exists today. It won’t just suddenly appear out of nowhere after legalization.
- JT11505 - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 3:25 pm:
“So someone please tell me how we are going to avoid the increase in marijuana use by teenagers.”
Seeing your parents do something is pretty guaranteed to make it an uncool thing to do!
- wordslinger - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 3:34 pm:
–I guess none of you have teenage children or grandchildren that you care about. –
Oh no, the secret is out….
Can you see your house from up there on your cross?
- consmom - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 3:41 pm:
Rich - Of course it exists, but the number of kids who are going to go out and buy it illegally is far less than the number who will ask their friend’s older sibling to go buy it at the store down the street that sells marijuana. The fact that it will be legal will make it socially acceptable and make access much easier, thereby increasing the number of teens using.
- Dotnonymous - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 3:52 pm:
Cannabis consumption is increasingly ubiquitous…that’s an observable fact.
Cannabis is here to stay…so…tax & regulate…or…let the Worldwide Black Market continue to provide an unregulated product 24/7/365… tax free?
What is the reasonable course of action?… is quite obvious.
We can stay the course with exactly the same individual and societal outcomes…or…we,as a state,can move forward into a more reasonable and just future.
Change is always constant…and always difficult…but change we must.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:06 pm:
Consmom - Other states that have legalized do not support your theory. Furthermore, prohibition creates a lot of crime. Is that what you want an unsafe society? Should we prohibit alcohol again because a friend’s older sibling may buy it at the store and give it to someone underage? It works for alcohol too.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:12 pm:
Oswego Willy - The last time I checked we live in a democracy. The majority of citizens should always have a major say regarding policy. Pretty hypocritical when alcohol is fully legal and something you can OD on whereas cannabis is not legal and much safer.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:15 pm:
Judging by the comments on cannabis on this site, I would say the 66% of folks in Illinois that want it legalized hold up pretty well. We are going to win this fight. Hopefully soon (this session).
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:17 pm:
===The majority of citizens should always have a major say regarding policy.===
… ‘cept when that say is indeed bad policy, then it should be weighed to the responsibility of representing the people, and doing what is right for the people too.
Polling may say people want no taxes.
Ok… but that’s not a policy that will be sound to governing.
Also… keep up…
===Popularity is an element, an element here, in this lone instance of discussion, where it can matter, should be a factor, and ignoring that popularity is a probable mistake.===
Reading is fundament
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:21 pm:
OW - If you want to take an extreme position like paying $0 in taxes to make your argument good luck with that. You cannot defend cannabis prohibition because the facts are not on your side.
- sulla - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:22 pm:
“So someone please tell me how we are going to avoid the increase in marijuana use by teenagers.”
Why are you so bad at raising your children/grandchildren that you need to infringe upon my freedom in order to curb your kids’ bad behavior?
Teach your children to avoid cannabis until they are of legal age. Issue solved.
- Grandson of Man - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:36 pm:
Anti-legalization people seem to have more paranoia than pot smokers. For the love of God, your kids are going to get marijuana by hook or crook, if they really want it. It’s better that we put safeguards out there, like no sales to minors and teen drug use prevention programs than only have kids buy from illegal sellers.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:39 pm:
===If you want to take an extreme position like paying $0 in taxes to make your argument good luck with that. You cannot defend cannabis prohibition because the facts are not on your side.===
Honest question. Respectfully…
Can. You. Read?
===Popularity is an element, an element here, in this lone instance of discussion, where it can matter, should be a factor, and ignoring that popularity is a probable mistake.===
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:41 pm:
OW - Fair enough. It seems like you straddle both sides though. First popularity is not important, second it is.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:42 pm:
What Sulla said. How in the world do we keep kids from boozing it up all day when alcohol is legal?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:47 pm:
===Fair enough.===
No. Not fair enough. Read please.
===It seems like you straddle…===
No. Like anything, the element of popularity is a measure to consider, and sometimes, like all elements, dismiss.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:51 pm:
OW - Enough of the games. Are you for legal cannabis or not?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 4:56 pm:
- Illinois Resident -
Read what I wrote, exactly as I wrote it.
- Illinois Resident - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 5:00 pm:
I read all of your posts and see no definite position other than Moylan is out of touch which we can all agree on.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 5:51 pm:
- Illinois Resident -
Asked and answered.
The concern, and back to the post, is the phony fear mongering designed also to bring a socioeconomic spin that is based on opinion not necessarily on factual evidence, or relevance to the end game of what legalization is trying to do.
We have more GA members detached from real outcomes or possibilities by the bills filed.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 7, 19 @ 8:14 pm:
- cover -
You ain’t kiddin’ my friend.
- Ginhouse Tommy -
You are far too kind then I deserve.
Thank you. OW
- XonXoff - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 8:14 am:
– People who garden small amounts of produce generally share with their neighbors. I share my tomatoes, peppers, and herbs (I even share asparagus). I’m guessing pot will fit in that category. –
Unless it changes, not in IL. Note the “or” in Section 10-5(B)(9)
“A person who cultivates more than the allowable
number of cannabis plants, or who sells or gives away
cannabis plants, cannabis, or cannabis-infused products
produced under this Section, is liable for penalties as
provided by law, including the Cannabis Control Act, in
addition to loss of home cultivation privileges as
established by rule.”
- Grandson of Man - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 8:23 am:
The SJ-R has a good article out today, on Boulder, CO tax revenue from marijuana sales, Illinois’ legalization effort and teen use. It’s reported that anonymous student surveys in Colorado do not indicate increased marijuana use by people under age 21.
https://www.sj-r.com/news/20190508/marijuana-tax-revenues-welcome-in-boulder
- A guy - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 8:57 am:
Irony: the guy who might benefit the most from a quick hit opposes it the most. Ugh.
- CEA - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 10:41 am:
I’m with Marty on this. Before you know it, the kids will be smoking reefer instead of hanging around the soda fountain and going to sock hops.