Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » Today’s quotable
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      About     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact Rich Miller
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Today’s quotable

Wednesday, May 8, 2019 - Posted by Rich Miller

* Westchester chief of police Steve Stelter spoke at an anti-cannabis legalization press conference today

I’m here to address you today. I want to tell you that the people who are pushing this bill are feeding you a bunch of baloney is what they’re doing. They’re pulling the wool over your eyes.

This bill, the way it stands right now is absolutely terrible. I can’t understand and law enforcement can’t understand how they allow people to grow this stuff in their homes.

As Rep. Moylan said, how are we going to possibly regulate five plants? There is absolutely no way. These people will tell you that ‘Well, now that we can buy it legally, that’ll compete with the cartels and the black market.’

Wrong. The black market increases when legalized marijuana comes in. Not only do you have the Mexican drug cartels, the Jamaican drug cartels enter your world. You have the Chinese drug cartels enter your world.

They buy homes, dilapidated homes, foreclosed homes and they turn them into marijuana factories. And they sell this stuff in the neighborhoods. How can you possibly allow home grow? We don’t understand it.

Growing more than five plants would still be illegal. And if the neighbors and the Westchester police can’t figure out that a dilapidated, formerly vacant house has been turned into a marijuana factory with dozens of Chinese drug cartel employees working night and day, I just don’t know what to say, except those cartels could do all of that today if they wanted. It’s not like they follow the law.

…Adding… Press release…

In response to the recent press conference held by Smart Approaches to Marijuana, Legalize Illinois issued the following statement:

“Today’s distortions from our opponents are just more of the same from an organization that takes money from big tobacco and pretends to have the best interests of Illinoisans in mind. SAM would like to hold back progress on smart, sensible and equitable adult-use cannabis legalization even though the majority of the public supports legalization. Their false claims do not have the best interests of the public in mind. The truth is, the legislation that was just introduced is the most responsible and inclusive bill in the nation, developed by peer-reviewed research and input from stakeholders to create the most equitable and regulated industry in the nation.”

       

50 Comments
  1. - Boone's is Back - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:32 pm:

    ===Wrong. The black market increases when legalized marijuana comes in. Not only do you have the Mexican drug cartels, the Jamaican drug cartels enter your world. You have the Chinese drug cartels enter your world.===

    I’d really like to know where the esteemed Westchester Chief of Police is getting this science from. It’s pretty common knowledge know that most major studies have shown that the legalization and regulation of marijuana drastically cuts into cartel territory.


  2. - Dee Lay - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:34 pm:

    “Not only do you have the Mexican drug cartels, the Jamaican drug cartels enter your world. You have the Chinese drug cartels enter your world.”

    Modern day reefer madness. How much longer until we get a Helen Lovejoy-esque, “Won’t somebody think of the children!?”


  3. - wordslinger - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:35 pm:

    –Wrong. The black market increases when legalized marijuana comes in.–

    Huh. Was that the case when the Volstead Act was repealed? Bootlegging just took off?

    Did the illegal Policy Wheel numbers game grow when the Lottery was started?


  4. - NW Suburb Joe - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:38 pm:

    I’m a retired police officer, and I’ve been a strong proponent of marijuana legalization for years. The Chief’s comments remind me of the quote by Upton Sinclair:

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”


  5. - Honeybear - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:40 pm:

    Steve really?
    Your little speech is ridiculous.
    It seems you’re bitter about the loss of revenue to your department this represents.
    Isn’t that your real problem.
    I bet you do a brisk business busting folks for pot and your departments shake down is gonna suffer.
    Or is it that you won’t get to bust the majority people of color for weed anymore?
    Maybe we should investigate your departments stats
    Maybe that’s where we should put the attention
    Not on regular folks growing 5 plants.
    I’m getting a creepy fascist vibe.
    Cool it on the Fox news
    and focus on the good of your community.
    Not on regular folk growing 5 plants.

    Sorry to be kinda ugly on this
    but you rubbed Honeybear the wrong way.


  6. - NW Suburb Joe - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:42 pm:

    Full disclosure: I worked for a minute as a consultant for a company that tried (and failed) to win one of Illinois’ medical cultivation licenses. I visited some cultivation facilities and medical dispensaries in Oregon, before they legalized recreational weed. I was immediately struck by the sheer…normalcy of it. I really wish people in my former profession would lose the reefer madness rhetoric and move on.


  7. - Boat captain - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:47 pm:

    Take away the penalties for possession or smoking marijuana and the grant money used to combat it dries up. Less money for law enforcement. Follow the money.


  8. - lakeside - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:47 pm:

    But, Rich, they enter your world.


  9. - Nuke the Whales - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:50 pm:

    “Not only do you have the Mexican drug cartels, the Jamaican drug cartels enter your world. You have the Chinese drug cartels enter your world.”

    Do none of the predominantly white criminal syndicates want in on the boom that legalization allegedly provide? Seriously, that line is about two steps above calling them jazz cigarettes.


  10. - Big Jer - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:55 pm:

    ===Westchester chief of police Steve Stelter====

    It has been awhile since I have been in Westchester, but if memory serves even though mostly Democratic it is a very conservative town. Hence Stelter’s reaction.

    ===I can’t understand and law enforcement can’t understand how they allow people to grow this stuff in their homes====

    Seriously??? I think someone commented on a related post yesterday that getting cannabis has never been an issue.

    Albeit underground, it has been fairly mainstream for decades or longer. I have know old and young friends and relatives that have been smoking cannabis going back decades.

    Sheriff Stelter, click your heels three times and you will be back in Pleasantville by morning. The rest of us live in reality.


  11. - Henry Francis - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 2:57 pm:

    ==Not only do you have the Mexican drug cartels, the Jamaican drug cartels enter your world. You have the Chinese drug cartels enter your world.==

    And after that, it’s the Irish (exclamation point)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWcVoX0QDyA


  12. - Honeybear - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:04 pm:

    Henry Francis- entschuldigung bitte, we German folk are going to dominate this black market industry. Irish….please….They’ve got nothing on German efficiency and engineering.


  13. - The Doc - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:04 pm:

    Sure seems like some of the local law enforcement types are getting increasingly nervous that the end is nigh for the asset forfeiture gravy train


  14. - don the legend - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:12 pm:

    I always heard that police always have the best pot. Sounds like the Chief might be worried about the competition.


  15. - vole - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:13 pm:

    Ham handed swipe at the lowest hanging bologna.


  16. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:13 pm:

    ===How much longer until we get a Helen Lovejoy-esque===

    He talked about the children later.


  17. - Homer J. Quinn - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:26 pm:

    “how are we going to possibly regulate five plants? There is absolutely no way.”

    If you’re that incompetent you need to quit being a cop. The public is not safe with you armed, Barney Fife.


  18. - A guy - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:34 pm:

    5 plants could be a large crop and take up a lot of space. These things can be very, very large.

    Still, a lot of drama here. Westchester is a great community of good people. Plenty of diversity, plenty of long time residents who live together in very nice harmony. If someone buys a house, or rents one, solely for this purpose, the Neighborhood Watch there will react quickly and decisively. Local ordinances can prevent a neighborhood house from becoming a mini pot plantation there. Or anywhere else.


  19. - Kayak - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:37 pm:

    “how are we going to possibly regulate five plants?”

    The same way the every other police officer does: though probable cause. This guy is the Chief? If a cadet asked how are we possibly going to regulate 6 crappie or 12 bluegill, my guess is they wouldn’t even make it out of the academy.


  20. - Kayak - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:41 pm:

    “a bunch of baloney” translation: I voted for Bruce Rauner.


  21. - Dance Band on the Titanic - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:45 pm:

    “how are we going to possibly regulate five plants?”

    Require home growers to register with local authorities and allow periodic access to verify compliance with state law and local health and safety ordinances.


  22. - Nonbeleiver - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:51 pm:

    Against any legal home grown pot. “how are we going to possibly regulate five plants? There is absolutely no way”. My opinion also.

    For legalization of personal use only. What amount constitutes personal use should have serious discussion.

    Should be sold in businesses tightly regulated by the state- maybe even state owned.

    Still want an effective, immediate test for drug impairment that is fair to the individual and the public. We do not need more impaired drivers on the road, we already have to many.


  23. - Nonbeleiver - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:57 pm:

    Follow up:

    If cannabis fails to pass then there must be an alternative bill to at least decriminalize personal small possession amounts.

    We can not continue to flood the prisons with people who are using it personally and not selling it.


  24. - Homer J. Quinn - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:01 pm:

    Decriminalization was signed by Bruce Rauner several years ago. It clearly is not good enough or what the public wants.


  25. - The Dude - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:09 pm:

    Just another uninformed person spewing information and some people will listen because they are in a position of authority.

    Most people see the dumbness though.


  26. - Nonbeleiver - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:09 pm:

    Yes, it is a Class C misdemeanor but even that is too much for personal possession.


  27. - Anonymous - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:12 pm:

    Ah yes, the cartels have just been waiting for us to legalize it so they can begin their pot-growing operations.


  28. - ChrisB - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:14 pm:

    It’s a well known economic principle that Cartels thrive in Perfect Markets (lots of producers with low barriers to entry), where they can totally collude to raise the price above market and extract rent. Super profitable for them. Especially the ones that are going to be highly regulated.


  29. - wordslinger - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:36 pm:

    –It’s a well known economic principle that Cartels thrive in Perfect Markets (lots of producers with low barriers to entry), where they can totally collude to raise the price above market and extract rent. Super profitable for them.–

    I wonder what any of that means.

    Where’s the bootleg hooch cartel thriving these days? I can’t find any.


  30. - sulla - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:37 pm:

    Have you supporters of cannabis legalization called your legislators yet?

    I guarantee your legislators are getting pounded right now with calls and emails from Sabet’s pearl-clutchers and law enforcement lobbyists.

    If you want this thing to pass, you had better reach out and make your wishes known.


  31. - FormerParatrooper - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:51 pm:

    His rants about the cartels sound exactly like the reasons marijuana was criminalized for in the first place, racism.


  32. - Stormfield - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:51 pm:

    Word, I think Chris meant “perfectly competitive” markets, and I think it was sarcasm. No market power for any individual sellers in a perfectly competitive market, irrespective of market share. Sellers are price takers.

    With that, I don’t think home growing makes pot a perfectly competitive market any more than the ability to home brew makes beer a perfectly competitive market or the ability to have a garden makes all produce a perfectly competitive market. I would assume commercial growers will be able to brand and differentiate, and most people won’t want to grow their own anyway.


  33. - Jeff - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:52 pm:

    “It’s pretty common knowledge know that most major studies have shown that the legalization and regulation of marijuana drastically cuts into cartel territory.”

    Could you reference the studies? I’d like to take a look at them. Thanks.


  34. - Dancin' Bears - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:53 pm:

    I think William Blake summed this up well:
    “The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.”


  35. - Almost the weekend - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 4:58 pm:

    *City of Westchester buys new fleet vehicles for Police*

    *Police Chief finds out funds to buy new police vehicles came from Marijuana*

    *Boycotts New vehicles and continues to drive 2007 model*


  36. - Kentucky Bluegrass x Featherbed Bent x Northern California Sinsemilla - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 5:00 pm:

    == how are we going to possibly regulate five plants==

    You aren’t because it will be legal to have five plants. Perhaps focusing on crimes that have a victim would serve the people of Westchester better than having the Chief of Police focus on counting plants.


  37. - Jocko - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 5:03 pm:

    ==you have the Mexican drug cartels, the Jamaican drug cartels (and) the Chinese drug cartels enter your world==

    Not to worry. I saw Steven Seagal take care of them in only one night. Tell Stetler to put in a call to Maricopa County, Arizona


  38. - ChrisB - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 5:06 pm:

    Sorry Word, I forgot the /s. Storm found it for me though.

    And yeah, it’s not a perfectly competitive market, but the barriers to entry are pretty low. My guess is that the price will be A:Regulated and B:fairly transparent. Both conditions are fairly hostile to any sort of Cartel action.

    Meaning, if any international criminal organization really wants to start grow operations to finance their activities, they’d be better off doing it with other drugs. Ones with more opaque price mechanisms, where they can more easily control the supply.


  39. - Unpopular - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 5:06 pm:

    “cartels could do all of that today if they wanted. It’s not like they follow the law.”

    Sounds like a similar argument against gun control laws…


  40. - Dotnonymous - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 5:11 pm:

    …catchin’ my breath…just got back from recon duty in my neighborhood…checked a couple of dilapidated houses for evidence of foreign looking porch people…didn’t see any sneaky looking foreign types…not that good at distinguishing Jamaicans from the other porch people…but I can identify Asian types pretty good…but probably not as good as The Chief…or Marty Moylan…they seem to have lots of experience.


  41. - Dotnonymous - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 5:21 pm:

    - Nonbeleiver - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 3:57 pm:

    Follow up:

    If cannabis fails to pass then there must be an alternative bill to at least decriminalize personal small possession amounts.

    We can not continue to flood the prisons with people who are using it personally and not selling it.

    You are so kind to the pot criminal’s you would approve of punishing….Button up your shirt…your heart is fallin’ out.


  42. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 5:38 pm:

    ==Sounds like a similar argument against gun control laws…== Sounds like any other argument against prohibition. I guess the money the local drug dealer loses in marijuana sales he can make up in abortion pills.


  43. - Illinois Resident - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 8:09 pm:

    I watched the video on facebook. Comical. Reporters were questioning them at the end on logic and they could not answer the questions.


  44. - Generic Drone - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 8:14 pm:

    And dont forget about the weed pirates. They’re always after me lucky buds.


  45. - XonXoff - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 8:31 pm:

    Do we pay police chiefs to weigh-in behind a SAM banner like this? Serious question.


  46. - Illinois Resident - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 9:03 pm:

    Agree XonXoff. Also, you would think our public servants would acknowledge and respect the fact that 66% of the citizens of our state want cannabis legalized.


  47. - Tired of Both Parties - Wednesday, May 8, 19 @ 9:19 pm:

    “I just don’t know what to say, except those cartels could do all of that today if they wanted. It’s not like they follow the law.”

    That is correct. Criminals don’t follow the law. Remember that on the next gun control bill.


  48. - Anonymous - Thursday, May 9, 19 @ 2:52 am:

    Scared that they have to start going after real criminals instead of people that use cannabis. Im not worried about people smoking it but I am worried about the amount of people that get away with meth and heroin. Go after them and their dealers, sure its more dangerous but thats you job, not harassing people.


  49. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Thursday, May 9, 19 @ 8:37 am:

    ==That is correct. Criminals don’t follow the law. Remember that on the next gun control bill.==

    That’s true for each and every law. So why even bother with laws and jails and cops and courts stuff?


  50. - Harvest76 - Thursday, May 9, 19 @ 10:48 am:

    He was one of the panelists at the NPR Illinois panel on legalization efforts hosted at Anvil and Forge last week. The woman that was there with him was handing out free books on the dangers of marijuana. My thirteen-year-old has been reading it, and finds it hilariously entertaining. She’s read some of it to me and it’s pretty much the readable version of Reefer Madness. Some people just can’t let go of the past.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Reader comments closed for the weekend
* Isabel’s afternoon briefing
* Things that make you go 'Hmm'
* Did Dan Proft’s independent expenditure PAC illegally coordinate with Bailey's campaign? The case will go before the Illinois Elections Board next week
* PJM's massive fail
* $117.7B In Economic Activity: Illinois Hospitals Are Essential To Communities And Families
* It’s just a bill
* Showcasing The Retailers Who Make Illinois Work
* Open thread
* Isabel’s morning briefing
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Supplement to today's edition
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Live coverage
* Pritzker calls some of Bears proposals 'probably non-starters,' refuses to divert state dollars intended for other purposes (Updated)
* Yesterday's stories

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Loading


Main Menu
Home
Illinois
YouTube
Pundit rankings
Obama
Subscriber Content
Durbin
Burris
Blagojevich Trial
Advertising
Updated Posts
Polls

Archives
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

Syndication

RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0




Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller