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Plan by eight Senate Republicans is a bit on the ghoulish side
Wednesday, Apr 15, 2020 - Posted by Rich Miller * From an open letter to Gov. JB Pritzker from Republican state Senators Paul Schimpf, Donald DeWitte, Jim Oberweis, Craig Wilcox, Jason Plummer, Chuck Weaver, Sue Rezin and Dan McConchie…
A subscriber read that and texted me this…
He wrote some other stuff, but I’ll just leave it at that. …Adding… Just to be clear here, we’ve been going over this topic for days and days. But let’s just focus on stuff I’ve posted today. 1) The downward curve doesn’t look like the upward curve. Instead, it looks more like a plateau: The decline may not be as fast as the rise 2) Because of (1) we are still essentially at the peak. Forcing the curve downward could take more measures than we currently have in place, like a mask requirement, for instance: Slowing the upward curve is just not enough 3) Calling for even a partial reopening of the economy while new cases are still rising as fast or faster every day with no end in sight is simply irresponsible: SGOP plan is a bit on the ghoulish side 4) Here’s the graph that matters most….  Those new case numbers need to start going down and stay going down for a period of time before anything can and should be done about lifting the stay at home order. …Adding… 5) Businesses may want to reopen, but, as we discussed yesterday, economies shut down because of the virus. People essentially voted with their feet: “The fundamental problem with the economy right now is the pandemic” not the stay at home orders
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- TheInvisibleMan - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:05 pm:
SGOP should form a panel.
Where they decide on the acceptable number of death.
They could even come up with a short and descriptive name for such a panel.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:06 pm:
Sooooo . . . as long as we have a place to put the sick people . . . yeah, no nice words to say about what they are suggesting
- Perrid - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:06 pm:
The letter assumes that everyone is going to get the virus anyway, therefore everyone who is going to be in the ICU is going to be in the ICU no matter what, so we might as well not keep the shut down in place.
That’s a pretty big assumption, and I question the merits of “Obviously we will fail so why bother trying?” as policy
- Linus - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:07 pm:
TheInvisibleMan 4:05pm wins the blog today.
- Nick Name - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:09 pm:
Remember back when Republicans howled about Obama death panels? Good times
- Wednesdays Kid - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:09 pm:
“How do you advocate…” Look, that person isn’t off base, however, it’s gonna happen whenever you start easing stay at home orders unless there’s a proven, 100% effective treatment. It obvious we all will have to do serious adulting. But it’s also beyond obvious that business need to re-open on some scale and we, as a society, need to begin to start our new normal. There’s no “easy” solution.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:10 pm:
They are suggesting the equivalent of letting people back in a burning house while the fire is still raging as long as we can treat the smoke inhilation and burns later.
- NothingBurger - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:10 pm:
Do you honestly think we are staying locked down until every single case has recovered?
- Blue Dog Dem - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:10 pm:
Wasnt this exactly the rationale behind flattening the curve?
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:12 pm:
NothingBurger, don’t argue like a child. And do not put words in my mouth if you want to continue commenting here.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:14 pm:
===Wasnt this exactly the rationale behind flattening the curve? ===
That was the FIRST STEP. Pay attention.
- Shytown - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:16 pm:
Have they gone and lost their minds? Yeah let’s push people back outside knowing more people will get sick because there will be more ICU beds for them to die with a ventilator down their throats. Sorry but that’s the truth.
- Wow - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:16 pm:
THIS is why they are in the SUPER minority. !!!
- Rich Hill - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:16 pm:
Sometimes it seems like the Republican Party is actively trying to kill Americans.
- Perrid - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:17 pm:
“Wasnt this exactly the rationale behind flattening the curve?”
Avoiding the worst case scenario and actively advocating for a still pretty bad scenario are NOT synonymous. Wanting as few as possible people to get sick and die, and wanting “just enough” people to get sick and die that it doesn’t impact you, again are not synonymous
- Hamlet's Ghost - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:18 pm:
I don’t think the IHA can reliably predict sufficient capacity without testing and tracing:
“as soon as the Illinois Hospital Association projects that ICU bed capacity is sufficient to respond to the projected levels of COVID-19 admissions”
Yes, the IHA deserves a seat at the table and this is one factor (among many) but why delegate decision making authority to that particular organization?
And what should the consequences be for IHA if their prediction is wrong?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:19 pm:
=== you can’t crack down on me and leave the first 2 comments stand.===
Start your own blog, let Rich run his.
To the post,
I’ve commented twice about this letter today, I’ll only add this;
It’s truly a poorly written letter dedicated to the idea that life isn’t as important as lives going about and working, no matter the consequences, and I say that because if the idea is outside the scientific knowledge and the scientific rationale to open, you are merely giving enough lip service to the science so the harsh wavy they want “seems” reasonable.
It’s a disappointing bit of drivel.
I’m glad the signers names are unmistakably attached.
- Hamlet's Ghost - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:21 pm:
Thinking about this a little bit more, if I were associated with the Illinois Hospital Association I’d be rather angry at those signing that letter which says, in essence:
“You want ME to decide when it’s safe to re-open, while giving YOU political cover, seriously?”
- Candy Dogood - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:23 pm:
Clearly none of these folks have experienced having a close family member or loved one lay dying in a hospital ICU room they are unable to visit because of they highly contagious illness that is killing them.
- TominChicago - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:25 pm:
You cannot suspend social distancing and the stay at home orders until testing is widely available. Only then can there be a semblance of normalcy.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:29 pm:
I think, regrettably for the workers in these areas, you shouldn’t plan on going inside a restaruant, gym, movie theater, or anywhere else like that for a few months.
- ChicagoVinny - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:29 pm:
The GOP keeps mistaking the cause of the economic downturn. The economy has not cratered because of the lockdown, it has cratered because of the global pandemic. You could lift the lockdown tomorrow and you’re not going to bounce back to previous economic levels - you can’t force people to go out of their homes, and you can’t force them to go out to restaurants or stores if they are afraid of catching Covid-19.
If you want to fix the economy, you need to solve the public health crisis.
- Say What? - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:29 pm:
This is a minority of the SGOP super-minority. Let that wash over you. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to be more irrelevant than this group
Some pretty conservative SGOP members from some extraordinarily rural areas did NOT sign this poorly thought out diatribe. Again, let that wash over you.
There should be no pride in authorship here. Small minds, uninformed ideas, and short-sightedness literally get citizens killed.
Adults only in the decision making room.
- Mike - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:32 pm:
I am confused — it seems to me that the only end game here involves herd immunity from 60-70% of the population becoming infected and recovering. Yes, maybe there will be treatments. Maybe there will be vaccines. But are you planning on waiting indefinitely? Yes, a few months of stay at home is manageable. Maybe a year. What about 2 years? 10 years (which is how long it took for the ebola vaccine)?
I think people need to get used to the fact that most people will get it at some point and so long as the hospitals have capacity, we need to ensure that the rate of new cases matches that capacity.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:33 pm:
===If you want to fix the economy, you need to solve the public health crisis.===
Yep. Too many people are putting the cart before the horse.
- thunderspirit - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:35 pm:
== The economy has not cratered because of the lockdown, it has cratered because of the global pandemic. ==
Well said, ChicagoVinny.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:37 pm:
==But are you planning on waiting indefinitely?==
Who has ever said that?
It has been one month - one - since this lockdown started. And I’m sure it’s been a long, long month for those who don’t have jobs. Saying we aren’t ready yet is not the equivalent of saying that it’s going to be indefinite.
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:39 pm:
It’s a Death Panel.
The most recent study found 2/3 of patients that ended up in ICU’s on ventilators died.
That’s like playing Russian roulette with four bullets in the cylinder.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:40 pm:
=== it seems to me that the only end game here involves herd immunity===
Yeah.
England tried that tact, but learned the hard way, that’s not how this works.
- Mike - I’ll let you be first.
You deciding me, or my family, or friends, or those in my circle of my existence need to decide that “some need to die…”
Nope. Sorry. No.
The three T’s, then discuss things move forward.
If you’re willing to die, - Mike -… think about the lessons if England, had why Ireland is managing better not with your “answer”
- Home School Prom King - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:40 pm:
Winning the first battle doesn’t mean the war is over.
To continue the analogy, it would have seemed totally ridiculous to say during World War II: “Well, now that the troops have taken Normandy, let’s bring them all back home so we can get back to normal. You can’t expect the soldiers to march all the way to Germany or the population to sacrifice that long, that could take over a year.”
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:42 pm:
=== I think people need to get used to the fact that most people will get it at some point and so long as the hospitals have capacity, we need to ensure that the rate of new cases matches that capacity.===
- Mike -
If I have to choose between… that… and Dr. Fauci’s idea to safely navigate… how can you think your plan is sound science let alone thoughtful to… anything.
- zatoichi - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:48 pm:
Why don’t these Republican letter writers put together their own projections/dates on when it is OK to return to any level of normal? It is easy to use another group like AHA or the Governor as cover or excuse. Of course if they are wrong with their projections/dates per chance they should take personal responsibilities for any costs and care that might develop. Otherwise they are just talkin’ to make noise.
- Leigh John-Ella - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:48 pm:
Someone forgot to call Chapin
- Mike - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:49 pm:
Demoralized, case counts in IL seem stable and there seems to be capacity based on reported bed/icu utilization. What are we waiting for? I can understand more PPE. And more testing so that we have a sense of whether new cases are becoming unmanageable.
But not relaxing restrictions because of the belief that somehow staying at home will in the long run protect people doesn’t make sense to me so long as there are enough hospital beds to go around.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:50 pm:
==But not relaxing restrictions because of the belief that somehow staying at home will in the long run protect people doesn’t make sense to me so long as there are enough hospital beds to go around.==
Maybe consider what was at the top of this post:
“How do you advocate for a policy knowing it will put people in intensive care?”
I don’t really have any other nice words to say.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:51 pm:
=== But not relaxing restrictions because of the belief that somehow staying at home will in the long run protect people doesn’t make sense to me so long as there are enough hospital beds to go around.===
Read that aloud. Read it 5 times, aloud
After that if you don’t think you find the ridiculous… wow.
“But not relaxing restrictions because of the belief that somehow staying at home will in the long run protect people doesn’t make sense to me.”
Hospital beds or not… there is no logic in anything here.
- Huh? - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:52 pm:
“short and descriptive name for such a panel.”
How about a blast from the GOPer past - “Death Panel”.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:52 pm:
==case counts in IL seem stable==
I’m also not sure what you are looking at to say something like that. We are nowhere near a trend to say that.
- Mike - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:53 pm:
“How do you advocate for a policy knowing it will put people in intensive care?”
Well, staying at home also puts people in intensive care, just 1000 cases a day in a lockdown that lasts 34 years based on IL’s population.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:54 pm:
==in a lockdown that lasts 34 years==
Seriously? What an absolutely dumb thing to say.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:55 pm:
===in a lockdown that lasts 34 years===
Facebook is down the ways on the intertubes.
Thanks.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 4:58 pm:
Mike:
Maybe let’s clear up how far your thought process goes. Are you suggesting we go all the way back to what used to be “normal?”
- JB13 - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:01 pm:
Anyone who talks about “sacrifice” should be willing to identify what, exactly, they are sacrificing *themselves* - other than other people’s jobs, other people’s businesses, other people’s futures.
- ZC - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:01 pm:
What worries me is the most plausible path forward, has so little public support in our American tradition.
Without a vaccine, it’s not the testing, it’s the -tracing- part that worries me, we’re still in denial about how much more we need. I mean, if our cell phones could basically tell us, “You came within 5 feet today or someone who tested positive for Covid, take a test,” and you could speedily take a test, we could go back to something approaching normality, with still some social distancing.
But nobody seems to be talking about the tracing part. A team of dogged detectives following diagnoses of this thing, even if we do get over this particular bump, don’t seem to me to be fast enough to keep it from breaking out again.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:04 pm:
==what, exactly, they are sacrificing *themselves*==
Two adults and a child moved into my house because of their job situation and I am now partially supporting them.
Nobody is taking any of this lightly. Some of us just refuse - at least right now - to say we should just go back to normal yet.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:04 pm:
=== other than other people’s jobs, other people’s businesses, other people’s futures.===
I’m not sacrificing myself or anyone for… people’s jobs, other people’s businesses, other people’s futures.
You can’t be… I can’t be “un-dead”
No job, no business, is worth a life over the science to save lives.
- Mike - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:07 pm:
Of course not. I’m suggesting we work to match the number of new cases to available hospital capacity. If new case counts start to exceed capacity, we add restrictions. If new case counts are below capacity, we relax restrictions until they match.
For the past 2 weeks, IL cases have been stable at 1300 +/- 250. Once PPE & testing is in place, seems like that could stand to grow a bit.
This puts us on a plan to return to “normal” as quickly as possible. The alternative is keep the current restrictions in place indefinitely and cross our fingers and wait for a vaccine.
- Original Rambler - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:12 pm:
Open what you want but I’m not going anywhere until I see the plateau. I don’t think the GOP can force me to spend my money until I feel it is safe to do so. The sooner the pandemic is under control, the sooner I return to pre-coronavirus spending levels.
- Jocko - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:16 pm:
They appear to have discarded the Laffer curve in favor of the Malthusian curve.
- Cadillac - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:28 pm:
Unless you are going to “stay at home” until a vaccine is developed, you are not going to avoid Covid 19.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:33 pm:
===I’m suggesting we work to match the number of new cases to available hospital capacity. If new case counts start to exceed capacity, we add restrictions. If new case counts are below capacity, we relax restrictions until they match.===
In other words, you want to form an actual death panel.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:36 pm:
===If new case counts start to exceed capacity, we add restrictions.===
So put people at risk, until it gets out of hand?
Again, - Mike -, you first.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:36 pm:
===you are not going to avoid Covid 19===
Probably so. But I want the risks lowered. Also, you’re free to go out and get a job at a hospital right now. Maybe cleaning up after doctors or something. Let us know how that goes.
- Moe Berg - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 5:54 pm:
Seconding what Rich just said on go get a hospital job.
And, would recommend that to the senators, too. Take three volunteer shifts a week helping out those who are cleaning up on the Covid ICU wards.
It is a grotesque idea that we’ll just keep sending loads of Covid patients to hospitals as if a significant number of doctors, nurses and other hospital workers aren’t getting sick, some dying, from repeated exposure to the virus. And, as if we don’t have other health care needs in society that we need medical personnel to be able to treat. We can make more N95 masks relatively easily, not so much docs and nurses.
And, you’re going to lay off the responsibility for making the call on the IHA? Well, that’s on-brand. As your leader said, “I don’t take responsibility at all.”
- Just Me 2 - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 6:07 pm:
Per Fox News: the economy is more important than some people in Blue states dying prematurely. That’s where these 8 Republicans are coming from.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 6:10 pm:
===due to joblessness and loss of livelihood===
Trump is sending checks with his name on them.
Are you saying the Feds are doing enough.
They say they are.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 6:11 pm:
I think those of you saying open things now are paint chips as children. That at least would be an explanation for how dense you are.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 6:12 pm:
*ate* not are
- Jibba - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 6:26 pm:
Mike, read YDD’s comment. We need to keep as many people as possible from being exposed at all, not just bend the curve. The reason is that 2/3 of people who go on ventilators don’t survive. So, more people will die if there are not enough vents, but too many die anyway. Being cautious until there is a vaccine is essential.
BTW, the Washington model once had our peak at April 12 with a plateau of about a week afterward, with deaths dropping to near zero by May. Not looking too bad right now.
- Downstate Illinois - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 7:49 pm:
Being cautious until we get a vaccine is crazy. Our economy can’t last a year like this. This virus is the equivalent of the flu in a bad year. We don’t destroy millions of jobs due to the flu. We’re closed because of the actions by 45 of the 50 state governors who followed the experts and their models who have since been proved to be wrong. They are the ones who decided that social distancing was not enough and used their emergency powers to curtail our self evident liberties.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 7:52 pm:
== virus is the equivalent of the flu==
Yep. Another paint chip eater
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 7:55 pm:
===can’t last a year===
Not one person said it needs to last a year.
===This virus is the equivalent of the flu===
If 20 times plus worse in fatalities is a bad year… geez Louise you’re thick.
=== We’re closed because of the actions by 45 of the 50 state governors who followed the experts and their models who have since been proved to be wrong.===
They’re “wrong” due in large part to being right to shut down the states.
===curtail our self evident liberties.===
I’m not dying for your ignorance.
Nope.
- Pundent - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 8:15 pm:
=Being cautious until we get a vaccine is crazy.=.
Go ahead. Throw caution to the wind. But I won’t be joining you along with a lot of others that want to be here in a year. I’d like to think that a lot of us are still here because we followed the experts models. That was the goal after all.
The thing is you don’t get to arbitrarily decide when I return to normal. And your economy won’t return without me. Get me the three Ts and I could be persuaded.
- MyTwoCents - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 8:52 pm:
We are nowhere near the end of this pandemic so it’s incredibly misguided to compare the death toll to a bad flu season. That being said, at some point COVID could be analogous to the flu. We have flu vaccines and treatments and yet year after year tens of thousands of people still die from the flu, which society has accepted as normal. Hopefully scientists are able to find effective treatments and/or a vaccine to deal with COVID but I could see a future where it only mitigates COVID to a certain extent and there’s still cases that pop up from time to time.
- Last Bull Moose - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 9:03 pm:
Until there is a vaccine, this 4 person family unit will stay in quarantine. For us the official lock down has little effect.
Nursing homes may have to change their practices. Maybe have staff come in for 3 days staying on site and then leaving. Everybody goes through a sanitary entrance like an airlock.
Right now we are buying time. I fear that the testing, contact tracing, and treatment that everyone wants will stay out of reach for months.
- The Snowman - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 9:24 pm:
There still is no vaccine for countless diseases. At some point, we need to start living our lives again, but we can continue to be careful. Government cannot eliminate risk for people, it’s not their role. A reasonable plan to ease our current situation needs to be implemented, perhaps starting May 1st. Considering the number of people who probably have had Covid19, but undiagnosed, the death rate is well below 1%.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 9:35 pm:
=== Government cannot eliminate risk for people, it’s not their role. A reasonable plan to ease our current situation needs to be implemented, perhaps starting May 1st.===
The three T’s meet your own criteria.
Wanting something open and people feeling comfortable in that are two different things.
- Cimry90 - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 10:02 pm:
On both a nationwide basis and Illinois basis, for every 25 people receiving a positive test, 1 person has died. I don’t like those odds.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 10:14 pm:
=Wanting something open and people feeling comfortable in that are two different things:=
That’s the fallacy in merely saying we have to “open the economy.” You can’t order people to feel safe and return to normal. You have to provide the conditions that allow that to happen.
- Victory Farmer - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 10:20 pm:
@Cimry90
=On both a nationwide basis and Illinois basis, for every 25 people receiving a positive test, 1 person has died. I don’t like those odds.=
We aren’t really testing the asymptomatic or the sick folks who recover at home. Those odds don’t show you the whole picture. Ezike touched on the infection numbers today at the presser.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 10:25 pm:
=== We aren’t really testing…===
… and that’s why the three T’s are important for confidence to open the state.
If you’re telling me we have no way of knowing is a positive to open Illinois I’m going to tell you that confidence for me to do things around others will still be at a low level.
- phenom_Anon - Wednesday, Apr 15, 20 @ 10:33 pm:
What did Prizker say when he closed schools and we started this? He said we can’t stop the spread, but we can flatten the curve and slow the spread. The whole point is to reduce the speed of the spread to keep it under what the hospitals can handle. Isn’t that what they’re advocating here?
- Anon - Thursday, Apr 16, 20 @ 4:58 am:
“How do you advocate for a policy knowing it will put people in intensive care?”
Wow, so I guess you want to make alcohol, cars and swimming pools illegal too. Just like anything, you weigh the importance.
- When Pigs Fly - Thursday, Apr 16, 20 @ 5:14 am:
This is so wrong. People will eventually confine themselves if more of the reckless people emerge and put the public at risk. Odd, Rodney Davis didn’t add his name to the letter. I’d rather listen to science and the numbers, than politicians.
- Pundent - Thursday, Apr 16, 20 @ 7:07 am:
=Wow, so I guess you want to make alcohol, cars and swimming pools illegal too. Just like anything, you weigh the importance.=
Of course. But you also take prudent steps to reduce the risk. You limit alcohol consumption, have rules of the road and seatbelts, take swimming lessons and have a life guard. This is no different. The 8 Republicans want a plan (Pritzker has one) and they don’t seem to have any alternative plan. I suppose it’s implicit that we simply ignore that requirement and flip a switch. But that’s not going to work here. It’s time to get serious in finding a way out of this.
- Burgee - Thursday, Apr 16, 20 @ 7:51 am:
For those that want to remove or relieve the restrictions, where are your plans for how and when that will occur and the statistics for what the resulting consequences might be? For all the politicians, supported by more of the public than not, the plan has been stated, based on scientific numbers and until a new plan can be developed to prompt change, it will stay the same.
If you want to live the restrictions, tell me how you would go about that, the number of us that would “unfortunately” be collateral damage as a result, the number that will fall ill, the number of businesses that still wouldn’t be able to open or what restrictions they would have to open under, and then maybe I’ll at least read your ridiculous posts.
If you could, which you can’t, say that we are on a trajectory that if we opened businesses tomorrow, we would have few illnesses and fewer deaths that the projections under the current orders, I’ll listen. Show me the plan and the data to support it.