Is that Durkin calling the state Ellinoy and this being the darkest day in the state’s history? Because it’s Illinois,not Ellinoy,and Bruce Rauner did a lot more damage than Madigan in a lot less time in office.
=and Bruce Rauner did a lot more damage than Madigan in a lot less time in office.=
today really isn’t the day to be making that argument. Madigan’s corruption is completely unquantifiable when it comes to how much damage did he actually cause the state. and that isn’t a good thing, or something to be proud of. Madigan Enterprises chose winners and losers at a large scale, and that is not how government should operate.
sincerely, today is not the day to talk about Rauner, focus on your own house. Because frankly, its on fire, and will be for the next year.
power tends to corrupt, “we work in the dark to bring you light”
- Bruce( no not him) - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:49 am:
March 2 should now be a state Holiday called Indictment Day in Illinois. All the elected officials could spend that day every year telling how they knew he was guilty for 40 years but did nothing about it.
I never thought it would happen.
Of the 19, most came to their realization very late. Earlier than many others but still late. How many of the 19 did not take at least hundreds of thousand of dollars from MJM controlled committees? Stava and probably Cassidy, Gabel, Guzzardi, Croke, Morgan and Williams. But even of that smaller group, how many voted for him for Speaker before? I think even Stava did. They get credit for being earlier than so many others, but they also bear some blame.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:49 am:
How many governors have gone to jail? This state has had a lot of dark days.
- Frumpy White Guy - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:53 am:
Just think, if Danny Solis didn’t need help in the manhood thing none of this would’ve happened.
Damage or not, Rauner wasn’t indicted, Rauner faces no criminal charges for corruption.
The Floridian Bruce Rauner’s only fault is thinking he took out Madigan, when it was “The 19”… one voice, nineteen likely different reasons and end goals.
The Dems all point to how they have moved on from the corrupt practices of the past, yet MJM remains the state central committeeman from the 3rd Congressional District.
It’s comical around here. The ever growing list of democrat politicians indicted in Illinois and all you can say is Rauner. I’m sure it’s Trumps fault too. Why is it democrats refuse to admit how corrupt their party is? Democrats waited for 40 years to finally call for Madigan to go. Forty years of driving this state into a hole it will never get out of. Spare me the “balanced budget” claims too. That’s a complete farce and you all know it.
Ever heard of Rutan v. Republican Party of Illinois? George Ryan? Bill Cellini? “Corruption” is a bi-partisan plague that infects all of Illinois, not just one party / geographic area.
In 1995 the GOP in Illinois… all the statewide offices, controlled both chambers of the GA…
===Democrats waited for 40 years===
Gotta be honest with you, ‘tween us, the failures of the GOP from the high water mark of 1995 include not being able to win elections and be a partner in governing where it matters.
You wanna blame “Democrats”, and sure, that the mouth breathing silly that makes me laugh… because even in She-Caw-Go and “Democrat City” angst… the Chicago GOP endorsed a Democrat, and couldn’t find a person that one would easily identify as a Republican.
Maybe, and I’m just spitballing, maybe you should be so angry that you can’t see straight because the GOP can’t defeat Dems, as you see it who “over 40 years”… or whatever the FoxNews-like, Facebook trending, talking point make you happy… are still likely controlling a good amount of Illinois government.
- Give Me A Break - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:21 am:
Pond Hockey, let me ask you this. Who brought the articles of impeachment against Blago? Who decided they would no longer support MJM and illustrated he didn’t have the votes of support among his chamber’s caucus members?
It was Democrats. Let me know when any of the profiles in courage in the Illinois GOP other than Kinzinger stand up to the former President and his cult members.
Spare us the moral indication.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:21 am:
He was the federal Speaker, but from IL - don’t forget Dennis Hastert.
=Maybe, and I’m just spitballing, maybe you should be so angry that you can’t see straight because the GOP can’t defeat Dems=
The part about “can’t defeat Dem’s” was true and still may be true, but the slow-motion train wreck of MJM’s indictment and trial sure ain’t good for the brand. Need to do a battlefield damage assessment in 2022 and future elctions.
Pond Hockey- How bad is the ILGOP when they are not even remotely competitive against the corrupt democratic party? I mean they have to be pretty bad. Amiright?
As bad as the democrats are, the vast majority of Illinois still thinks they are better than the ILGOP.
Maybe start there, get something together that can win beside “Illinois Bad”.
===…damage assessment in 2022 and future elections.===
Wholly agree, but be careful too - Donnie Elgin - to this;
While Durkin could, and likely with midterms, pick up seats and have replaced members for Bourne, Demmer, et al, the worry becomes…
Does Durkin face a coup from “Eastern Bloc” blokes derailing any chance of growth and expansion… and keeping ground instead of losing ground for more purity.
That assessment will begin with Durkin’s own status.
How’s it going? MJM goes down, LL continues to lead by example, coming out of covid into ww3 and petitions are soon due to be filed, Laugh/cry, cry/laugh, repeat.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:53 am:
==sure ain’t good for the brand==
So was January 6 good for the GOP brand? Or the investigations against Trump getting closer and closer to criminal charges? Or party members speaking at white supremacist gatherings? Book banning, other extremist and authoritarian actions?
When a democrat is corrupt I see other democrats calling for them to go. On the other side I see defending corrupt behavior and making excuses.
No question Pritzker could be beat by a good candidate, and I’d argue beat easily. Is there a good GOP candidate for Governor (and other statewide offices) or is it a clown show? We’ll see what happens in the 2022 elections here in the state.
- Michael Madigan - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:58 am:
I am having a bad morning
- Mr. Madigans Doctor - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:07 am:
In other news, gas crested the $4.00/gallon mark in my neck of the woods and my natural gas bill has almost doubled. My question of the day is: How is the Joe and Jay Bob Democrat war on energy working out for you?
- Joe Bidenopolous - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:12 am:
=However, all that ILGOP primary ballot is missing is Homer Stokes.=
I’m surprised your parents allow you to *drive* the car, let alone trust you to pump gas for it…
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:18 am:
Who wants to tell Captain Obvious that Russia invaded Ukraine? I’m going to make like an appeals court and punt.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:23 am:
Going pretty well, thankfully, especially seeing what’s happening elsewhere.
Mayor Lightfoot allegedly had an interesting choice of words to use when she disagreed with a CPD attorney over the Columbus statue, reminiscent of what Da Mare would have said or thought. What she allegedly said was very “Chicago,” in the Royko-era sense.
I don’t own a car and have steam heat. I haven’t noticed a war on energy.
- Last Bull Moose - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 11:26 am:
On a separate topic than corruption. Corn, bean, and input prices are all going much higher. Good year for the Amish, they don’t use diesel.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 11:30 am:
Interesting Daily Herald editorial criticizing the GA’s (particularly JCAR) response to the 4th’s mask decision, and COVID issues in general. Basically I can summarize it as: “General Assembly, get your butts in gear.”
Really was not prepared for the lawsuit quote about Lightfoot and the Italians.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 1:45 pm:
Terrible day here in Chatham. Village Trustee Matt Mau and another passenger were both killed yesterday afternoon in a Shelby County car crash, east of Findlay:
- thisjustinagain - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 3:00 pm:
So, about the Bears….
Oh, wait, Madigan has finally been indicted. How many more little fish will be given up by him to avoid prison time?
Everybody ready for WinterSpring?
==How many more little fish will be given up by him to avoid prison time?==
All the little fish, combined, don’t equal a whale.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 5:27 pm:
==So, about the Bears….==
There’s now going to be the revived USFL this spring too. Even though there’s no Chicago team yet. (Although all games are going to be played in Birmingham this year).
- Proud Papa Bear - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 6:07 pm:
“ How is the Joe and Jay Bob Democrat war on energy working out for you?”
If it means standing up to Don’s buddy Vladimir’s war crimes, I’ll gladly pay $6 a gallon.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 6:40 pm:
You can say what you want about Madigan. But I will always appreciate that he was one of the main forces that stopped Rauner from having his way and advancing his turnaround agenda. Without Madigan, who knows what would have happened.
===- Michael Madigan - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:58 am:
I am having a bad morning===
A lot of people had bad mornings when they worked under Madigan in state agencies and even elected offices not under the governor. His arrogant, self-absorbed culture radiated everywhere in state government and was intimidating and even worse back in the 70’s than later in his career. (Yeh, I worked in state government 37 years - all Madigan years).
MM is the perfect example of ‘absolute power corrupts absolutely’.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 7:52 pm:
==You can say what you want about Madigan. But I will always appreciate that he was one of the main forces that stopped Rauner from having his way and advancing his turnaround agenda. ==
Same with Blago too (although it didn’t help much as Emil was Blago’s enabler in the Senate for basically all but his first year as Gov to some extent).
- Give Me A Break - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:39 am:
Just another boring week in Illinois politics and government. Big yawner of a week.
- Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:39 am:
Well, I haven’t been indicted by the feds, so…
- Subtle - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:39 am:
Hangover city.
- Cheryl44 - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:40 am:
Is that Durkin calling the state Ellinoy and this being the darkest day in the state’s history? Because it’s Illinois,not Ellinoy,and Bruce Rauner did a lot more damage than Madigan in a lot less time in office.
- MaddyMoon - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:45 am:
=and Bruce Rauner did a lot more damage than Madigan in a lot less time in office.=
today really isn’t the day to be making that argument. Madigan’s corruption is completely unquantifiable when it comes to how much damage did he actually cause the state. and that isn’t a good thing, or something to be proud of. Madigan Enterprises chose winners and losers at a large scale, and that is not how government should operate.
sincerely, today is not the day to talk about Rauner, focus on your own house. Because frankly, its on fire, and will be for the next year.
- hisgirlfriday - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:46 am:
I know the MJM news is the main thing today but this park district lawyer’s lawsuit against Lori Lightfoot is bananas.
https://twitter.com/royalpratt/status/1499367993888972800 Warning: NSFW language (unless you are LL) in link
- Rabid - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:47 am:
power tends to corrupt, “we work in the dark to bring you light”
- Bruce( no not him) - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:49 am:
March 2 should now be a state Holiday called Indictment Day in Illinois. All the elected officials could spend that day every year telling how they knew he was guilty for 40 years but did nothing about it.
I never thought it would happen.
- Interesting - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:49 am:
Of the 19, most came to their realization very late. Earlier than many others but still late. How many of the 19 did not take at least hundreds of thousand of dollars from MJM controlled committees? Stava and probably Cassidy, Gabel, Guzzardi, Croke, Morgan and Williams. But even of that smaller group, how many voted for him for Speaker before? I think even Stava did. They get credit for being earlier than so many others, but they also bear some blame.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:49 am:
How many governors have gone to jail? This state has had a lot of dark days.
- Frumpy White Guy - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:53 am:
Just think, if Danny Solis didn’t need help in the manhood thing none of this would’ve happened.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:53 am:
===Bruce Rauner did a lot more damage===
Damage or not, Rauner wasn’t indicted, Rauner faces no criminal charges for corruption.
The Floridian Bruce Rauner’s only fault is thinking he took out Madigan, when it was “The 19”… one voice, nineteen likely different reasons and end goals.
- Donnie Elgin - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:00 am:
The Dems all point to how they have moved on from the corrupt practices of the past, yet MJM remains the state central committeeman from the 3rd Congressional District.
- LoyalVirus - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:04 am:
I miss baseball.
- Pond Hockey - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:06 am:
It’s comical around here. The ever growing list of democrat politicians indicted in Illinois and all you can say is Rauner. I’m sure it’s Trumps fault too. Why is it democrats refuse to admit how corrupt their party is? Democrats waited for 40 years to finally call for Madigan to go. Forty years of driving this state into a hole it will never get out of. Spare me the “balanced budget” claims too. That’s a complete farce and you all know it.
- Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:07 am:
Pond Hockey-
You forgot “socialism” and “liberal media”.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:10 am:
==The ever growing list==
Who else is on that list besides Madigan? Who we’ve known about for over a year.
No question there have been corrupt politicians in this state but there have been plenty in both parties.
- ddp76 - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:14 am:
With yesterday’s indictment, I owe a few dinners to bet winners.
- Michael Madigan - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:15 am:
anyone got any lawyer recommendations?
- Blue Dogs are Blind, Deaf, and Dumb - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:17 am:
I miss baseball too. Owners not dealing in good faith is the cause this time around.
- Anyone Remember - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:17 am:
Pond Hockey-
Ever heard of Rutan v. Republican Party of Illinois? George Ryan? Bill Cellini? “Corruption” is a bi-partisan plague that infects all of Illinois, not just one party / geographic area.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:19 am:
- Pond Hockey -
Think on this… just think on this…
In 1995 the GOP in Illinois… all the statewide offices, controlled both chambers of the GA…
===Democrats waited for 40 years===
Gotta be honest with you, ‘tween us, the failures of the GOP from the high water mark of 1995 include not being able to win elections and be a partner in governing where it matters.
You wanna blame “Democrats”, and sure, that the mouth breathing silly that makes me laugh… because even in She-Caw-Go and “Democrat City” angst… the Chicago GOP endorsed a Democrat, and couldn’t find a person that one would easily identify as a Republican.
Maybe, and I’m just spitballing, maybe you should be so angry that you can’t see straight because the GOP can’t defeat Dems, as you see it who “over 40 years”… or whatever the FoxNews-like, Facebook trending, talking point make you happy… are still likely controlling a good amount of Illinois government.
- Give Me A Break - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:21 am:
Pond Hockey, let me ask you this. Who brought the articles of impeachment against Blago? Who decided they would no longer support MJM and illustrated he didn’t have the votes of support among his chamber’s caucus members?
It was Democrats. Let me know when any of the profiles in courage in the Illinois GOP other than Kinzinger stand up to the former President and his cult members.
Spare us the moral indication.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:21 am:
He was the federal Speaker, but from IL - don’t forget Dennis Hastert.
- Donnie Elgin - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:28 am:
=Maybe, and I’m just spitballing, maybe you should be so angry that you can’t see straight because the GOP can’t defeat Dems=
The part about “can’t defeat Dem’s” was true and still may be true, but the slow-motion train wreck of MJM’s indictment and trial sure ain’t good for the brand. Need to do a battlefield damage assessment in 2022 and future elctions.
- JS Mill - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:38 am:
Pond Hockey- How bad is the ILGOP when they are not even remotely competitive against the corrupt democratic party? I mean they have to be pretty bad. Amiright?
As bad as the democrats are, the vast majority of Illinois still thinks they are better than the ILGOP.
Maybe start there, get something together that can win beside “Illinois Bad”.
- Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:39 am:
“trial sure ain’t good for the brand.”
Agreed. However, all that ILGOP primary ballot is missing is Homer Stokes.
- Jose Abreu's Next Homer - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:41 am:
did JB and MM ever dance the polka together? Really hope so.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:43 am:
===…damage assessment in 2022 and future elections.===
Wholly agree, but be careful too - Donnie Elgin - to this;
While Durkin could, and likely with midterms, pick up seats and have replaced members for Bourne, Demmer, et al, the worry becomes…
Does Durkin face a coup from “Eastern Bloc” blokes derailing any chance of growth and expansion… and keeping ground instead of losing ground for more purity.
That assessment will begin with Durkin’s own status.
Be well, bud.
- Rutro - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:47 am:
How’s it going? MJM goes down, LL continues to lead by example, coming out of covid into ww3 and petitions are soon due to be filed, Laugh/cry, cry/laugh, repeat.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:53 am:
==sure ain’t good for the brand==
So was January 6 good for the GOP brand? Or the investigations against Trump getting closer and closer to criminal charges? Or party members speaking at white supremacist gatherings? Book banning, other extremist and authoritarian actions?
When a democrat is corrupt I see other democrats calling for them to go. On the other side I see defending corrupt behavior and making excuses.
No question Pritzker could be beat by a good candidate, and I’d argue beat easily. Is there a good GOP candidate for Governor (and other statewide offices) or is it a clown show? We’ll see what happens in the 2022 elections here in the state.
- Michael Madigan - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:58 am:
I am having a bad morning
- Mr. Madigans Doctor - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:07 am:
Take one apple and call me in the morning.
- Captain Obvious - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:09 am:
In other news, gas crested the $4.00/gallon mark in my neck of the woods and my natural gas bill has almost doubled. My question of the day is: How is the Joe and Jay Bob Democrat war on energy working out for you?
- Joe Bidenopolous - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:12 am:
=However, all that ILGOP primary ballot is missing is Homer Stokes.=
spit take
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:13 am:
===How is the Joe and Jay Bob Democrat===
I’m surprised your parents allow you to *drive* the car, let alone trust you to pump gas for it…
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:18 am:
Who wants to tell Captain Obvious that Russia invaded Ukraine? I’m going to make like an appeals court and punt.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:23 am:
Going pretty well, thankfully, especially seeing what’s happening elsewhere.
Mayor Lightfoot allegedly had an interesting choice of words to use when she disagreed with a CPD attorney over the Columbus statue, reminiscent of what Da Mare would have said or thought. What she allegedly said was very “Chicago,” in the Royko-era sense.
- Cheryl44 - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 10:24 am:
I don’t own a car and have steam heat. I haven’t noticed a war on energy.
- Last Bull Moose - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 11:26 am:
On a separate topic than corruption. Corn, bean, and input prices are all going much higher. Good year for the Amish, they don’t use diesel.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 11:30 am:
Interesting Daily Herald editorial criticizing the GA’s (particularly JCAR) response to the 4th’s mask decision, and COVID issues in general. Basically I can summarize it as: “General Assembly, get your butts in gear.”
https://www.dailyherald.com/discuss/20220303/editorial-legislature-will-have-to-take-up-covid-
- JoanP - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 11:43 am:
= gas crested the $4.00/gallon mark in my neck of the woods =
It’s been over $4.00/gallon in my neck of the wood for the past few months, with the occasional $3.99 appearance.
- Nick - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 1:36 pm:
Really was not prepared for the lawsuit quote about Lightfoot and the Italians.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 1:45 pm:
Terrible day here in Chatham. Village Trustee Matt Mau and another passenger were both killed yesterday afternoon in a Shelby County car crash, east of Findlay:
https://www.wandtv.com/news/two-people-killed-in-shelby-county-crash/article_e865ec62-9b15-11ec-8646-d737da2bd899.html
- Lake Villa Township - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 2:06 pm:
@NonAFSCME Absolutely terrible, my most sincere condolences to Mau’s family and Chatham as a whole.
- Skeptic - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 2:15 pm:
Captain Obvious-
You forgot “socialism” and “liberal media”.
- thisjustinagain - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 3:00 pm:
So, about the Bears….
Oh, wait, Madigan has finally been indicted. How many more little fish will be given up by him to avoid prison time?
Everybody ready for WinterSpring?
- SAP - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 4:13 pm:
==How many more little fish will be given up by him to avoid prison time?==
All the little fish, combined, don’t equal a whale.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 5:27 pm:
==So, about the Bears….==
There’s now going to be the revived USFL this spring too. Even though there’s no Chicago team yet. (Although all games are going to be played in Birmingham this year).
- Proud Papa Bear - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 6:07 pm:
“ How is the Joe and Jay Bob Democrat war on energy working out for you?”
If it means standing up to Don’s buddy Vladimir’s war crimes, I’ll gladly pay $6 a gallon.
- The Velvet Frog - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 6:40 pm:
Glad we just bought a hybrid.
- Joe M - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 6:44 pm:
You can say what you want about Madigan. But I will always appreciate that he was one of the main forces that stopped Rauner from having his way and advancing his turnaround agenda. Without Madigan, who knows what would have happened.
- Tombrady - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 7:22 pm:
===- Michael Madigan - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 9:58 am:
I am having a bad morning===
A lot of people had bad mornings when they worked under Madigan in state agencies and even elected offices not under the governor. His arrogant, self-absorbed culture radiated everywhere in state government and was intimidating and even worse back in the 70’s than later in his career. (Yeh, I worked in state government 37 years - all Madigan years).
MM is the perfect example of ‘absolute power corrupts absolutely’.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 7:52 pm:
==You can say what you want about Madigan. But I will always appreciate that he was one of the main forces that stopped Rauner from having his way and advancing his turnaround agenda. ==
Same with Blago too (although it didn’t help much as Emil was Blago’s enabler in the Senate for basically all but his first year as Gov to some extent).
- Jibba - Thursday, Mar 3, 22 @ 8:53 pm:
So I just read that “Moody’s Investors Service dropped its long-term debt rating for the Russian government from Baa3 to B3,” (junk).
My question is why, before our latest credit upgrade this past summer, Moody’s rated Illinois and Russia the same. Rating failure.
- The Velvet Frog - Friday, Mar 4, 22 @ 7:49 am:
Because Illinois should be rated higher than Russia, or lower?