Very bad proposal, no matter what you think about term limits.
I would bet less than 1/2 of 1% of the signers actually realized they were signing on for changing the size, structure, and processes of the legislature, and the Governor’s veto prerogatives, in addition to term limits.
To fold it all into one, while publicly touting only term limits, is so misleading to the voters, as to approach deliberate fraud, IMO.
But credit to his organization; he pulled it off.
He and his money will also pull off staffed campaign field offices, where none would otherwise exist.
Whenever someone does this, it reminds me of this:
“On Thursday, in the midst of his second “State of the State” speech, Gov. Rod Blagojevich stopped speaking in order to retrieve an 18-inch stack of paper from behind the podium”
“At one point during Blagojevich’s speech, the governor picked up a stack of papers that he said were 2,800 pages of the board’s administrative rules. He referred to them as a “bureaucratic nightmare.”"
“Blagojevich’s audience of legislators laughed and clapped Thursday when he held up a foot-high stack of papers - 2,800 pages, he said - of agency rules that schools must follow.”
“Everyone is asking for details and how Illinois will prosper with me as your goveror, well here it is. Our volunteer employees will be filing taxes on their signature income. I’m a job creator. Everyone of these hard working people worked for less than minimum wage.”
“No, I didn’t read the petition, I have lawyers for that…Stuff… Stuff! Term limits, Senate district shifting thingy… Fewer, yes… Well, honestly, I fear Madigan more, so taking seats away from Cullerton WAS the compromise…”
I’m not crazy about the concept of term limits. I hate the structural changes. However, I pray that it survives the inevitable challenges and gets on the map. The process as it exists is rigged and revolting, and I am convinced this is the only hope for real reform. And no matter how much money he put behind it, 591K petitions is impressive.
“Hello again, Mr. Rauner…Yep, it’s me…. Yes…no, no Dog today… Boxes…no, these are fake, sir, your petitions are already traveling… Yep, staged pictures again! ‘Yea!… No dog, you don’t need it, this is about the petitions…I didn’t BRING the dog… No…. Just stand there… In front of the sign, yes, please… Yeah, I see, I see, no Carhartt… just stand there… No, they are fake boxes, you don’t need to lift them… Just stand… I do have the stuffed dog, I have it. It’s not here! … Chip!…”
“Ok, Chip says I need to back up to get all the boxes, so…(sigh)… We need to take a few more….Not with the dog, but just me farther back, so stand there…there… No, there…I’m going back …here…back here.., so look at me…don’t save, I see you …please don’t wave… Yes, pretty far, but I see you, so just…. Stop.Waving!…put your arm at your side and…yes, if you were holding a leash of the prop dog, you couldn’t wave, lets just pretend… Arm down.., now look here…stop pouting…stop… I am sorry, next time I will bring the dog… You are paying I know, talk to Chip… Just one picture, please.., better, look here…,”
Dead on. Several different times I said something to various petition signature collectors about the cuts in the size of the legislature. They looked at me like they didn’t know what I was talking about … but they also quit asking me to sign it.
He paid a firm to send people out at $2 a signature to get sheets filled out. The only heavy lifting was the pen or keystrokes to move monies to an out of state petition company. Get real.
To the “Caption”
“I was going to ask ‘Slip and Sue’ to help load the boxes, buth this petition thing has cost my big bucks already, and she sees me as a meal ticket; one way or another, so, she is in the padded room while on premise…”
“In front of you, members of the Press, is my Term Limit strategy.
You all may think these are the petitions. Dopes!
In front of you are files, on every single elected official in Illinois.
In these files are all the officials …and their …hopes … dreams… And weaknesses, and fears… I want to KNOW all, and I bet I can get a few to walk away. I want to be a …’Friend’…and these files guarantee that friendship..,”
- William j Kelly - Wednesday, Apr 30, 14 @ 4:12 pm:
He paid a firm to send people out at $2 a signature to get sheets filled out. The only heavy lifting was the pen or keystrokes to move monies to an out of state petition company. Get real.====
What’s real bunky, is he did it. You described the process in your own gifted way. I described the result; he did it. It’s done. Capiche?
===To the “Caption”
“I was going to ask ‘Slip and Sue’ to help load the boxes, buth this petition thing has cost my big bucks already, and she sees me as a meal ticket; one way or another, so, she is in the padded room while on premise…”====
I’m pretty sure someone’s in a padded room, but it’s not her.
Sorry, - A Guy… -, it’s up to you if you want to share your room with her.
“I called Speaker Madigan about this Term Limits thing, and I said, ‘I’ve tried to help you out of this, but if you ask for more time, I’m gonna file these petitions to get on the Ballot.
Speaker said, ‘You won’t get them signed.’
I told him, ‘We will get them. If you challenge these petitions I will file a motion to dismiss, And if the MTD is denied, I’ll file a motion seeking to obtain evidentiary ruling in advance, and after that I’m gonna file against pre-election ballot printing, and Speaker, you’re gonna spend an entire summer going blind on paperwork because North Shore Raunerite cant be bought, and you are trying to stop him.”