Capitol - Your Illinois News Radar » Department of Revenue mistake was about Chicago’s TIF numbers
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Department of Revenue mistake was about Chicago’s TIF numbers

Thursday, Aug 10, 2017

* You’ll recall that the Illinois State Board of Education claimed this week that the Department of Revenue staff reported “a significant error in the TIF EAV data that the Department of Revenue submitted to the State Board of Education for modeling.” I immediately FOIA’d the board for all e-mail correspondence. This is their reply today…

Dear Mr. Miller:

This letter is in response to your request for information under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act. Your request was received on Aug. 8, 2017.

You have requested all e-mail correspondence on August 7 and August 8, 2017 between the Illinois Department of Revenue and the Illinois State Board of Education.

The attached document (18-029-miller-doc.pdf) has been provided in response to your request.

* This is the sum total of all e-mails between ISBE and the Illinois Department of Revenue about the mistake in Revenue’s calculations, according to ISBE…


It has been brought to my attention that the queries that were built for the Chicago TIF values were not correct. I pulled these distributions from cook county and I think what was sent to you for U299 did not include all city of Chicago TIF’s. Please give me a call.

Brad Kriener
Illinois Department of Revenue Property Tax Division

- Posted by Rich Miller        

  1. - Keyser Soze - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:37 pm:

    Nefarious collusion.

  2. - ILPundit - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:40 pm:

    If it didn’t include all Chicago TIFs, then doesnt that mean the revised analysis will be worse?

  3. - RNUG - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:47 pm:

    Reminds me of my working days. Both ng in writing or email; everything on the phone or in person.

    Used to drive the politically connected managers nuts when I would send them a confirmation email of their phone “requests” on questionable issues.

    Nothing has changed. Nobody wants to be held accountable.

  4. - RNUG - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:48 pm:

    Put nothing in writing … darn autocorrect and auto insert

  5. - PublicServant - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:54 pm:

    If Chicago TIFs were under-reported then when corrected, Chicago’s property tax wealth would be more, with Chicago, therefore, receiving even less state aid under Rauner’s AV, even more of the ‘Chicago Bailout’ would be redirected to other school districts. I’m pretty sure that’s why they’re holding up the numbers. Gotta show Chicago being squeezed as much as possible, ya know…

  6. - Rabid - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:08 pm:

    BTIA has brought

  7. - A Jack - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:15 pm:

    If the Chicago numbers are in error, why not release the rest of the districts’ numbers? If the other districts are getting more as claimed by Rauner, the the Chicago numbers shouldn’t make that much of an impact. The Governor can certainly here are the rough numbers for the rest of the state and we will get Chicago for you soon.

    I think the Governor is just stalling with releasing numbers that are much worse than he promised until after the override attempt.

  8. - Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:15 pm:

    Brad, watch out for oncoming busses.

  9. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:31 pm:

    ===If the Chicago numbers are in error, why not release the rest of the districts’ numbers? ===

    Because if Chicago gets less, everywhere else will get more.

  10. - Annonin' - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 2:19 pm:

    Looks like jive…rest of state should have been released…why not re FOia with a few more days?

  11. - wordslinger - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 2:59 pm:

    So what school year can the governor be given a clue as to what he’s proposed?

    Because the next one is coming up fast.

  12. - Mod Dem - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 3:48 pm:

    Rich - The FOIA request itself might have given them an out…you asked for communication between ISBE and Revenue…not internal communications on that date from the Department of Revenue, nor the Department of Revenue and the Governor’s Office. When i worked for the State we totally parsed the FOIA requests to meet the compliance of the ask…and no more.

  13. - Precinct Captain - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 4:12 pm:

    A single email with no reply? Yeah right.

  14. - A Jack - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 5:16 pm:

    They have the model built and must know the correct Chicago TIF number since on Tuesday they knew the old number was wrong. How long does it take to plug in the correct number and rerun the model?

    They built the model and ran it within four days of the AV. Shouldn’t we have the corrected model by tomorrow?

  15. - Team Warwick - Friday, Aug 11, 17 @ 8:16 am:

    I used to run that model and what datasets IDOR gives ISBE can foul up the run. And i also used to work at IDOR and i totally get how they could have missed picking up a dataset to give to ISBE. No fault no foul here folks. Its just a complex thing to grab all the correct datasets and give them to ISBE, and its a complex thing to make sure to model is correctly picking up all the datasets you program it to look at. Takes time to be accurate and then verify the program results. Give ‘em break on it. If you could see the datasets at IDOR they have to select from it would boggle your mind. Masdive. Enormous. Like Houston’s Mission Control Center. Be proud of your IDOR people. Its truly amazing.

  16. - Laddo Gopal - Tuesday, Aug 29, 17 @ 8:40 am:

    home repair can be difficult specially if you do not have any idea at all about what you are doing,,

Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.

* Reader comments closed until Tuesday
* Rauner complains it's "hard to overcome" the "biased" Illinois media
* Question of the day: Golden Horseshoe Awards
* Rate Pritzker's new digital ad
* Recent endorsements: Raoul, Biss, Newman, Villivalam
* Joe Berrios' new radio ad features Jesse White, more attacks on Kaegi
* A make-work program for property tax appeals lawyers?
* Rauner tax hike claim ruled "Mostly False"
* Lawsuits expose more problems at Quincy veterans' home
* Could a Moody's methodology change push Illinois into junk status?
* Republicans get into the "holiday spirit"
* Jesse White's GOP opponent: "I'm extremely ordinary"
* Friday open thread
* Yesterday's stories

Visit our advertisers...





* Morning Spin: Mendoza says Rauner can't take cr.....
* Miller: Rauner might never be in charge - Quad .....

* Teen killed while delivering newspapers with stepdad
* Metra to modify train schedules during holiday season
* Chicago-area teen accused of pointing replica gun at cars
* New Bitcoin-based security bounces in trading debut on CME
* The Latest: Electricity fully restored at Atlanta airport
* Chicago taking proposals for reuse of historic city bridge
* No more valedictorian, class ranks at Kankakee High School
* Police: Illinois man dies after crashing ATV in New Mexico
* 14 millionth book for U of I library is professor's work
* Iowa homeless shelter sees high demand for beds

* State paying Medicaid bills before interest piles up
* Food stamps cut to tens of thousands in Illinois
* Statehouse Insider: Holiday cheer from Rauner to Madigan
* Lawmaker's daughter gets probation in political rival attack
* Gov. Rauner unveils Bicentennial Pepsi can
* Video gambling numbers level off in Springfield
* Judge: Video gambling profits must be split with operators
* Under the Dome Podcast: "Objection! (to nominating petitions), Pritzker endorsements
* Schoenburg: Jones leads fundraising in 13th Democratic primary
* Governor candidates want action on Legionnaire’s outbreak at veterans home

* Like our roundup? Share it around.
* Chicago lawyers: not a diverse lot
* A legal setback for Jimmy John's in wage-theft case
* A health setback for Hunter Harrison punishes CSX stock

* Trump to unveil ‘America First’ national security strategy
* Volkswagen Tiguan is all-new for 2018
* Holiday travel chaos ahead after Atlanta airport outage
* Holiday travel chaos ahead after Atlanta airport outage
* Owl, hawk vs squirrel, 87th St. slip memories: Notes, Chicago outdoors
* Mario Batali gives holiday recipe in same email as misconduct apology
* Doug Jones: Trump shouldn’t resign over misconduct allegations
* Man’s buttocks bruised when bullet hits wallet in East Garfield Park
* Man shot during attempted robbery in South Shore
* 2 men wounded in Humboldt Park drive-by shooting

* Morning Spin: Mendoza says Rauner can't take criticism 'from a 5-foot-3 woman from Chicago'
* Man wrestles gun away from attacker, possibly shoots him in home invasion on Northwest Side
* Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson to sell team amid workplace misconduct investigation
* Power fully restored at Atlanta airport after outage grounded more than 1,000 flights
* Homeless man beaten to death at site of his former home, friend says
* Putin called Trump to thank him for CIA tip that helped thwart bombings in Russia
* Trump says he won't fire Mueller as campaign to discredit Russia probe heats up
* Film session: O-line had rough day and Bears can’t win when they can’t run
* LeBron wears 1 black shoe, 1 white shoe, speaks about Trump

» Is It Too Soon To Pass Sexual Harassment Policies? Some Legislators Think So
» Chicago High Schools Compete Against Each Other — For Students
» State Week: Why Are People Still Dying From Legionnaires At Illinois Veterans Home?
» Top Three Challenges For Homegrown Star Taking Over Chicago Schools
» Illinois Women Tell Their #Metoo Stories
» Illinois Issues: A Personal Story
» Key Question For Democrats: To Billionaire, Or Not To Billionaire?
» Pritzker To Be First On Primary Ballot
» 3 Years, 13 Legionnaires’ Deaths At Illinois Veterans’ Home
» Protesters Disrupt Meeting, Call For Palos Trustee To Quit Over ‘Racist’ Comments

* George Will: Whirlpool has Washington in a spin cycle
* State paying Medicaid bills before interest piles up
* Andy Shaw: Is Illinois ready to attack bureaucratic bloat and save money?
* UIS Perspectives: Educating leaders in education
* Food stamps cut to tens of thousands in Illinois
* Our View: City should enlist public input in cuts
* Statehouse Insider: Holiday cheer from Rauner to Madigan
* Schoenburg: Bernie-backing Gronemeyer vs. Clinton delegate Mazzotti for Dem post
* Lawmaker's daughter gets probation in political rival attack
* Scott Reeder: Assaults should never be swept under the rug

* Area Calendar 12/17/17
* Area Calendar 12/18/17
* Rick's Six: Fog early, road work, shooting, controlled burns and new contest clue
* Ameren picks route options for north expansion
* Europe topic of ISU spring seminar series
* Start the Week Off Right: Maintain a healthy lifestyle during the holidays
* Holiday gift (and selfie) hunt
* One hospitalized after single-car crash that knocked down power lines in Belleville
* One hospitalized after single car crash in Belleville
* East Moline police investigate shooting

* Dawn Patrol: Teen accused of pointing toy rifle at traffic is detained
* Latest: Powerful winds raise fire risk as crews battle blaze
* Cowboys edge Raiders 20-17 by slimmest of margins
* Giordano, Bennett lead Flames to 6-1 win over Canucks
* APNewsBreak: US soldier fought to end after ambush in Niger

* High school football: Randy Hultgren lauds...
* Suburban Democrats line up to challenge Ro...
* Strong early filing for Illinois attorney ...
* Kendall GOP chief to challenge Kinzinger i...
* Letter to the editor: Hultgren should oppo...
* Tax cuts for Scrooge McDuck? Dispelling my...
* Letter: Protect our internet from fascism ...
* Efforts continue to have Warrenville Post ...
* Editorial: Roskam gets gun vote right, Hul...
* Slew of suburban Democrats seek to challen...

* This RSS feed URL is deprecated...

* This RSS feed URL is deprecated...

* Investigation: Emanuel's Chicago Infrastructure Trust has cost taxpayers $5 million but has contributed little, and other news
* Let’s not presume that Trump and his political ilk are beaten quite yet
* Bling for the budget- and design-conscious
* Standing on the shoulders of ancestors.
* Sketchbook.
* Whenever the fight for democracy reaches a crossroads, look south.
* Sunday, Sunday.
* Rahm on Colbert.
* Sketchbook.
* A Black friend and a Jew lawyer.

* Illinois Awarded Funds to Offer Advanced Training on Detecting Impaired Driving
* Illinois EPA Announces Upcoming Household Hazardous Waste Collection Events
* IEMA Highlights Emergency Preparedness for People with Access and Functional Needs in May - Ready Illinois website offers preparedness tips for people, caregivers
* First Lady Launches Illinois Family Connects
* Governor and Lt. Governor Unveil 2016 Journal of Local Government Shared Service Best Practices

* Bloomberg report lends further credence to Samsung Galaxy S9 February announcement
* There’s still time to bring the Oculus Rift home for the holidays at a discounted price
* Purported Sony H8216 specs could foreshadow Xperia XZ1 sequel with Snapdragon 845
* Samsung Market Share Slipping and the Post Net Neutrality World | #PNWeekly 283
* HQ Smashed Its All-Time Player Record Tonight as iPhone Trivia Show Continues to Surge in Popularity
* Play the best strategy game in the world — now 50% off
* BlackBerry nixes security support for the PRIV after two years

* Lull in Manny Machado rumors, but plates shift underneath
* Sporcle Saturday: The richest free agent deals in White Sox history
* Former White Sox players return to rep team
* White Sox news that doesn’t involve Manny Machado
* Former White Sox players return to rep team
* The cracks in the White Sox-Manny Machado rumors
* Hahn mum on any White Sox-Machado talks

Main Menu
Pundit rankings
Subscriber Content
Blagojevich Trial
Updated Posts

December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005


RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0

Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller