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Department of Revenue mistake was about Chicago’s TIF numbers

Thursday, Aug 10, 2017

* You’ll recall that the Illinois State Board of Education claimed this week that the Department of Revenue staff reported “a significant error in the TIF EAV data that the Department of Revenue submitted to the State Board of Education for modeling.” I immediately FOIA’d the board for all e-mail correspondence. This is their reply today…

Dear Mr. Miller:

This letter is in response to your request for information under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act. Your request was received on Aug. 8, 2017.

You have requested all e-mail correspondence on August 7 and August 8, 2017 between the Illinois Department of Revenue and the Illinois State Board of Education.

The attached document (18-029-miller-doc.pdf) has been provided in response to your request.

* This is the sum total of all e-mails between ISBE and the Illinois Department of Revenue about the mistake in Revenue’s calculations, according to ISBE…

Jason

It has been brought to my attention that the queries that were built for the Chicago TIF values were not correct. I pulled these distributions from cook county and I think what was sent to you for U299 did not include all city of Chicago TIF’s. Please give me a call.

Brad Kriener
Illinois Department of Revenue Property Tax Division

- Posted by Rich Miller        

15 Comments »
  1. - Keyser Soze - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:37 pm:

    Nefarious collusion.


  2. - ILPundit - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:40 pm:

    If it didn’t include all Chicago TIFs, then doesnt that mean the revised analysis will be worse?


  3. - RNUG - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:47 pm:

    Reminds me of my working days. Both ng in writing or email; everything on the phone or in person.

    Used to drive the politically connected managers nuts when I would send them a confirmation email of their phone “requests” on questionable issues.

    Nothing has changed. Nobody wants to be held accountable.


  4. - RNUG - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:48 pm:

    Put nothing in writing … darn autocorrect and auto insert


  5. - PublicServant - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 12:54 pm:

    If Chicago TIFs were under-reported then when corrected, Chicago’s property tax wealth would be more, with Chicago, therefore, receiving even less state aid under Rauner’s AV, even more of the ‘Chicago Bailout’ would be redirected to other school districts. I’m pretty sure that’s why they’re holding up the numbers. Gotta show Chicago being squeezed as much as possible, ya know…


  6. - Rabid - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:08 pm:

    BTIA has brought


  7. - A Jack - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:15 pm:

    If the Chicago numbers are in error, why not release the rest of the districts’ numbers? If the other districts are getting more as claimed by Rauner, the the Chicago numbers shouldn’t make that much of an impact. The Governor can certainly here are the rough numbers for the rest of the state and we will get Chicago for you soon.

    I think the Governor is just stalling with releasing numbers that are much worse than he promised until after the override attempt.


  8. - Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:15 pm:

    Brad, watch out for oncoming busses.


  9. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 1:31 pm:

    ===If the Chicago numbers are in error, why not release the rest of the districts’ numbers? ===

    Because if Chicago gets less, everywhere else will get more.


  10. - Annonin' - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 2:19 pm:

    Looks like jive…rest of state should have been released…why not re FOia with a few more days?


  11. - wordslinger - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 2:59 pm:

    So what school year can the governor be given a clue as to what he’s proposed?

    Because the next one is coming up fast.


  12. - Mod Dem - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 3:48 pm:

    Rich - The FOIA request itself might have given them an out…you asked for communication between ISBE and Revenue…not internal communications on that date from the Department of Revenue, nor the Department of Revenue and the Governor’s Office. When i worked for the State we totally parsed the FOIA requests to meet the compliance of the ask…and no more.


  13. - Precinct Captain - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 4:12 pm:

    A single email with no reply? Yeah right.


  14. - A Jack - Thursday, Aug 10, 17 @ 5:16 pm:

    They have the model built and must know the correct Chicago TIF number since on Tuesday they knew the old number was wrong. How long does it take to plug in the correct number and rerun the model?

    They built the model and ran it within four days of the AV. Shouldn’t we have the corrected model by tomorrow?


  15. - Team Warwick - Friday, Aug 11, 17 @ 8:16 am:

    I used to run that model and what datasets IDOR gives ISBE can foul up the run. And i also used to work at IDOR and i totally get how they could have missed picking up a dataset to give to ISBE. No fault no foul here folks. Its just a complex thing to grab all the correct datasets and give them to ISBE, and its a complex thing to make sure to model is correctly picking up all the datasets you program it to look at. Takes time to be accurate and then verify the program results. Give ‘em break on it. If you could see the datasets at IDOR they have to select from it would boggle your mind. Masdive. Enormous. Like Houston’s Mission Control Center. Be proud of your IDOR people. Its truly amazing.


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