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Madigan: “We’re not gonna walk away from Senate Bill 1″
Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller * Speaker Madigan said today that the House will call the SB1 override motion next Wednesday. If it fails, he said, the House has until August 29th to override the governor’s veto. If it fails again, Madigan said the House would eventually advance HB3163. That’s the bill which contains exactly the same language as the vetoed version of SB1. “We’re not gonna walk away from Senate Bill 1,” Madigan said. “We’re not walking away from that bill.” * Madigan said he will continue to meet with the other legislative leaders to try to hammer out a compromise. “We’re prepared to come to an agreement with the governor,” Madigan said. “I question whether he’s prepared to come to an agreement with us.” Madigan claimed that, over the weekend, a proposal was made to resolve the SB1 issue, but when Leader Durkin took it to the governor, Rauner rejected it. When told that House Republican Leader Jim Durkin said today the leaders were “close” to an agreement, Madigan said, “I would expect that Mr. Durkin would say that and I wouldn’t be surprised if he and I were close. The better question is ‘What about Mr. Rauner?’” “It may be that we’ll need reasonable Republicans to come with us,” said Madigan, pointing to the override of the governor’s budget and tax hike vetoes. Asked about Sen. Barickman’s proposal to trade relief from some teachers union rights for Chicago pension funding, Madigan turned a big thumbs down. “We didn’t support that when the Republicans passed it in 1995 for Chicago,” and he’s not going to support it now. * And remember this quote from Gov. Rauner on WTTW?…
Madigan’s response…
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- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:54 pm:
===The answer is I never said that. The question I would put to you is do you think I would say that to Bruce Rauner?===
No, Speaker. I would not.
So the follow up, since Madigan answered…
“Why do you think the Governor said that?”
- Longsummer - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:55 pm:
I having a feeling there may be some dark money or otherwise coming Mr Drury’s way. There had to be some reason Drury was top of mind for Rauner. The story so outreagous on its face and perpetuates Drury as a folk hero. Plus Drury a one trick pony with Madigan issue, which is Rauner’s main issue. Time will tell.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:57 pm:
===may be some dark money or otherwise===
Ya think?
- nadia - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:57 pm:
I’m not sure if Madigan painted the GOP into a corner on this or if they painted themselves backwards into a corner.
- Keyrock - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:58 pm:
The Governor is making up whoppers from the extreme.
- Rod - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 3:58 pm:
It makes some sense to call the override vote first and then vote on HB3163. The idea that calling HB3163 first and having it fail, then hoping four Republicans would jump on the override of the AV made no sense. This makes some sense, but after a failure to override I don’t see democrats supporting the AV by voting for HB3163. Still the money will not flow to school districts.
- BC - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:00 pm:
== “We didn’t support that when the Republicans passed it in 1995 for Chicago.” ==
Yep. And the Republicans didn’t impose those collective bargaining restrictions on any other school district when they could have back then. Why would the Dems vote to do it now?
- Mr B. - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:09 pm:
Solve this issue quickly. Kids on the table here. Compromise from both sides needed ASAP.
- Tequila Mockingbird - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:17 pm:
Dear governorspeakerpresident, Just. Do. Your. Job. Start over if that’s what it takes.
Being worst in the nation means there are 49 other examples out there of a better way. Just pick one and copy it. But no, this is Illinois and we are different. If there is a way to make it harder, more expensive, more complicated, or not even workable, then that’s how we roll.
- Roman - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:18 pm:
All roads lead back to that 1995 school reform act: Chicago’s teacher pension crisis, the much maligned CPS block grant, total mayoral control of the school board, and now a new controversy over CPS collective bargain restrictions — all created by that law.
One piece of legislation casting a long, long shadow.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:19 pm:
Durkin says he and Madigan are close to a deal.
What’s the deal and what is Rauner’s beef with it?
As a public service, I’d like to make two points to BTIA:
1. Any school funding deal requires a 3/5 vote.
2. School funding isn’t social services, You won’t have two years to play games with funding.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:19 pm:
===One piece of legislation casting a long, long shadow===
One of the signature accomplishments of full GOP control of Springfield.
- Michelle Flaherty - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:19 pm:
If you’d like to read along as the GOP jams the dreaded Chicago block grant and everything else Chicago school related down Democrats’ throats, you can do so here:
http://www.ilga.gov/house/transcripts/htrans89/HT052495.pdf
It was HB206. The debate begins at the bottom of page 32.
Speaker Daniels (cringe) take it away …
- Earnest - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:23 pm:
>Madigan claimed that, over the weekend, a proposal was made to resolve the SB1 issue, but when Leader Durkin took it to the governor, Rauner rejected it.
It’s got to be difficult to negotiate with Durkin and Brady when they will do or say what the Governor tells them to, up to and including reversing their positions later.
- Winnin' - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:31 pm:
@Earnest,
When Brady was running for governor, Rauner dubbed him a Careerfella. That would put Durkin’ in the category of a Careerfella, too.
Now that Rauner owns them, they are OK to him. What they may have forgotten is that Rauner can’t fire them, like he did his staff, and hire IPI in their place.
So they have an opportunity to become Careerfellas again and use their experience to be leaders.
But don’t hold your breath.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:36 pm:
== 2. School funding isn’t social services, You won’t have two years to play games with funding. ==
More accurately, they’ve already been playing games with portions of K-12 funding for 2 years and most of the reserves and borrowing authority is already gone.
- SAP - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:38 pm:
==1. Any school funding deal requires a 3/5 vote.==
With respect, but one possible way forward if SB1 override fails and if there are not enough “reasonable Republicans” to go with the Democrats on HB3163 is to pass a Dem only bill with a Jan 1, 2018 effective date and cross your fingers that school districts can limp along without general state aid until then.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:41 pm:
== 1. Any school funding deal requires a 3/5 vote. ==
If you stall until January, all you need is a simple majority. But you’ll still need 3/5’s if Rauner vetoes it again.
If Rauner thinks he can successfully blame Madigan for the delay, my guess is nothing happens until January.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:45 pm:
===until January, all you need is a simple majority. But you’ll still need 3/5’s if Rauner vetoes it again.===
This is really the nut to crack, the Rauner veto. The 3/5 vote is needed either way, might as well go for immediate.
===If Rauner thinks he can successfully blame Madigan for the delay, my guess is nothing happens until January.===
That’s where MJM and Cullerton running their own bill by then, and forcing the Raunerites, in let’s say October, not be “Green”
Big gamble by Rauner now.
Vetoes have consequences
- Passive Agressive - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:46 pm:
=If Rauner thinks he can successfully blame Madigan for the delay, my guess is nothing happens until January.=
Schools will be closed by then. If that happens, it is certainly game over for Rauner.
- Wensicia - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:52 pm:
There are quite a few districts that won’t make it until January without state funding, including mine. Which politicians will benefit when schools send children home at the end of October?
- SAP - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:54 pm:
What I suggested at 4:38 is, worst-case scenario, pass school funding now with a Jan 1st effective date. That way schools in distress might be able to borrow against incoming state aid.
- SAP - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 4:56 pm:
That worst-case scenario shifts blame from Democrats while preserving the opportunity to continue work on legislation with an immediate effective date.
- cdog - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:04 pm:
SB1 override motion next Wednesday
If it fails…the House has until August 29th to override the governor’s veto.
If it fails again, Madigan said the House would eventually advance HB3163 (exactly the same language as the vetoed version of SB1)
So, you get a cheeseburger or a cheeseburger. Not much compromising there.
Why not run a bill with the original Senate version of SB1, Mr Madigan?
- igotgotgotgotnotime - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:04 pm:
“The answer is I never said that.”
The only 3 possible scenarios here are the governor is lieing, the governor is living in a fantasy land, or Madigan is just viciously trolling someone who he recognizes is a complete jughead. All equally likely.
- Sue - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:17 pm:
If there was a so called deal- what was it?
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:18 pm:
Rauner’s ham handed, forced Drury lie tips his hand as to who will be bankrolling Drury.
I mean, who brings up Scott .Drury in an interview?
- Dome Gnome - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:21 pm:
I keep waiting for Rauner to notice that his outlandish statements get fact-checked.
- Teddy Salad - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:24 pm:
Drury is the replacement Igor to this Frankenstein. His last Igor, named Durkin, suffered a funding overdose and lost 66 - 33.
- Pundent - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:28 pm:
=I mean, who brings up Scott .Drury in an interview?=
Scott Drury does that’s who. Many, many, many times. The only difference is that Rauner didn’t remind us that Scott was a former prosecutor.
- Honeybadger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 5:34 pm:
Governor Rauner has been telling tall tales from the very beginning starting with his alleged election night call to Speaker Madigan.
Actually go back further, while running for Governor, he and Diana stated he had no social agenda.
Jeez, when will the rest of the Raunerite party realize he has no credibility left?
- TinyDancer(FKASue) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 6:11 pm:
@Michelle Flaherty
Thanks for the evidence, um….I mean transcripts.
- DuPage Dave - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 6:33 pm:
Of course Rauner lied about his conversation with Madigan. He apparently lies about everything these days.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 7:02 pm:
In the interview with Amanda Vinicky he was smiling while he was lying. It’s creepy.
- walker - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 7:34 pm:
Just walk back to the original SB1 before it was amended in the House.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 7:39 pm:
The idea of Speaker Madigan laughing about anything is cause enough to know Rauner is lying.
- Real - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 7:44 pm:
cdog
Why run another version of sb1 when all school superintendents, teachers, and educational organizations are happy with the current version of sb1?
Why refuse CPS money just because?
- Mama - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 9:07 pm:
“Which politicians will benefit when schools send children home at the end of October?”
The answer is Gov. Rauner.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 9:11 pm:
===The answer is Gov. Rauner.===
I doubt that. Schools closing never work out for governors that veto funding.
- PhD - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 9:41 pm:
==Why not run a bill with the original Senate version of SB1, Mr Madigan?==
Because a cheeseburger tastes better than a regular hamburger to most of the constituents in his district. Everyone in other districts appears to have cheeseburgers.
It certainly seems reasonable to for the state to support pensions for all school districts or no school districts.
- blue dog dem - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 10:04 pm:
If football season is jeapordized, it may be the cleansing of a lifetime. In my neck of the woods, people make a bigger deal out of the varsity coach over the algebra or chem teacher. Heads would roll.
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- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Aug 16, 17 @ 11:26 pm:
===I doubt that. Schools closing never work out for governors that veto funding.
Let me remind those with no kids, very young kids, or kids who have moved on, by the time school starts in August/September there is nothing parents of teenagers want more than their kids to be out of the house. Like now. Right now. Go away. I love my kids. In school.
- PublicServant - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 5:32 am:
===In my neck of the woods, people make a bigger deal out of the varsity coach over the algebra or chem teacher.===
Not surprising.
- Truth Squad - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 6:27 am:
===Compromise from both sides needed ASAP.===
Good luck with that.
- Elliott Ness - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 8:05 am:
Run the Senate version of SB1 prior to the last minute House amendment and it will pass House with plenty of GOP votes- Speaker should compromise and get this done, not that much difference since CPS pension payment is included now in SB6 which has already passed. Speaker is enjoying this very much- he has had his fun (he was having a ball at the presser yesterday) and now he needs to end this. Of corse he could make the governor look foolish on this issue for a lot longer, but he will have more opportunities and those opportunities will come on issues not so vital to children. C’mon Speaker, you can end this craziness.
- RNUG - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 8:39 am:
== Run the Senate version of SB1 prior to the last minute House amendment and it will pass House with plenty of GOP votes ==
Then it has to pass the Senate
And finally, will the Governor sign it, or just amend it again?
Right now, the only guaranteed path to school funding is the House overriding the veto … if they can.
- Downstate43 - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 9:00 am:
==Right now, the only guaranteed path to school funding is the House overriding the veto … if they can.==
Bingo - more evidence that Madigan, with HIS version of SB1, is playing 14-d chess while the BTIA plays checkers. Maybe it’s a coincidence that it has come to this, but I doubt Mr. Speaker puts much of his deep Catholic faith in coincidences.
- Gruntled University Employee - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 9:09 am:
BTIA playing checkers is too generous, it’s more like tiddly winks.
- PhD - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 9:13 am:
== CPS pension payment is included now in SB6 which has already passed ==
If the state is really committed to making the CPS pension payments, then the additional language in the formula about CPS pensions is innocuous. It is only when the state does not make CPS pension payments, that the formula’s treatment of pensions is relevant. Surprise, the speaker is concerned that the payment to CPS pensions will not be made in future years.
- Free Set of Steak Knives - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 9:33 am:
Not a single Senate Republican voted for SB1 when it was in the House, not even McCann.
The idea that Madigan somehow hijacked a bill that Republicans support and inserted a poison pill is absurd.
And the GOP has not offered publicly at least to support the original House version, nor has the Governor.
If the governor simply had stripped out the House language in his AV, you would have a point. But he didn’t.
So let’s end the speculation that the GOP would support the measure as originally passed by the Senate until Durkin, Brady and Rauner are on record as saying such.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 9:35 am:
===Not a single Senate Republican voted for SB1 when it was in the House, not even McCann.===
McCann is in the Senate. McAuliffe is a Republican.
- Free Set of Steak Knives - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 9:51 am:
apologies and you are right: meant not a single Republican voted for it in the Senate, prior to the amendment. No reason to think they now love SB1. In fact, Brady said SB1 is “dead.”
“But…Madigan!” is a fig leaf. Suburban Republicans object to the underlying intent of the bill which in the long term redirects state funding from the wealthiest districts to the poorest districts.
- PhD - Thursday, Aug 17, 17 @ 10:53 am:
==Suburban Republicans object to the underlying intent of the bill which in the long term redirects state funding from the wealthiest districts to the poorest districts.==
Yes, it is fairly clear that Republicans do not want to provide sufficient funding for educating disadvantaged children.
If the Speaker is actually as ruthless as he is sometimes portrayed, he will wait for the failure of the SB1 override to close schools in rural districts represented by Republicans.