People are getting turned away at the Illinois State Capitol after at least 3,600 people gathered in the first floor rotunda for a pro-life rally. Officials say it’s too dangerous to let anyone else in. #twillpic.twitter.com/X1t0St9iNd
These folks clearly organized well, but they represent an extreme minority view. The GOP position on abortion doesn’t even command the support of a plurality of “strong Republicans” *nationally*, let alone voters generally in a left-leaning state like IL. Link: https://twitter.com/SarahKCowan/status/1108071175253643264
Parental notification required for the school nurse to give an aspirin, but not for an abortion.
This type of action is why the gun supporters are so vehement in giving up anything. It seems like there is a continual overreach.
Do 3rd trimester (and now post-birth) abortions really make us better as a society?
- Six Degrees of Separation - Wednesday, Mar 20, 19 @ 3:30 pm:
I agree Illinoisans are generally supportive of abortion rights, but there are boundaries to be tested between the right to have an abortion and the circumstances in which they are regulated. We are seeing the same testing grounds on 2nd amendment gun rights.
Downstate, you really might want to be honest about the issues.
There are no “post birth” abortions. That’s simply does not occur.
Regarding an aspirin, when a child gets a headcold from violent abuse by a parent, we can talk about that. The notification laws are a problem because often the young women are victims of family members, or may face terrible abuse at home if they are pregnant.
The lack of notification exists to protect actual life — the lives of young women.
Few parents are ambivalent about being notified of matters regarding their children.
That responsibility eclipses the entire pro-choice/pro choice dynamic. It is about something much more fundamental - people who accept the full responsibility of rearing a child as the most important job they will ever have do not cede that foundational undertaking lightly. . . . . .for ANY reason.
Gooner, will sneaking off to get an abortion improve home life for that young lady? Not likely. Should we not be dealing with the real problem? I’m pro choice but some of this pro abortion nonsense is way over the top.
I don’t think they join the crowd and become vocal if they are not already there on the issue, I think it is more of an overreach in relation to what people are willing to cede as parents. I am not at all sure that line in the sand begins or ends with the abortion issue.
===If third trimester abortions stop unwanted people from being brought into the world, then a resounding yes.===
An ‘anonymous’ commenter identifies Downstate’s comment as an “ugly, nasty statement” but gives the latter comment a pass. Unreal
- Grandson of Man - Wednesday, Mar 20, 19 @ 4:00 pm:
Forcing people to give birth against their will is cruel, even if they’re minors. Don’t like teen pregnancies? Then let’s get our heads out of the sand, talk openly to our teenagers and teach them about birth control and sex education.
So the claim then is that parents generally, regardless of their personal views on the pro-choice/anti-choice debate, will be broadly mobilized on this issue based on their opposition to their children potentially receiving abortions without parental notification? I’m sorry, but still a hard sell. If a parent is pro-choice, or not politically motivated by abortion, I find it hard to believe that parental notification will move the needle in a democratically meaningful way.
Speaking of mistakes by Life Whack Jobs … local spox for Bishop of Bling starts his exit interview…”Andrew Hansen, a spokesman for the Springfield Diocese, dismissed the report as “an impressive professional marketing brochure.”…meanwhile no scores from bishop Dialing 9-1-1 test.
Left-wing Europe allows abortion in only the first 3 months of pregnancy. It’s insane to allow it for anytime, for any reason, up until moments before birth. Parents should know if their child is going to take a human life. We require them to know if their child is going to take aspirin, or go on a school field trip.
Some IL politicians could care less about human life, they only care about extremist Planned Parenthood money.
I don’t think they mobilize at all. Most have long ago tuned the endless arguing out and simply live their lives in as positive and productive a fashion as possible.
Just suggesting that this type of dynamic is not unrelated to how a goof like Trump gets elected or even re-elected. There are a significant number of citizens out there who feel politically “homeless” as they are disenfranchised by the fringe elements left and right. Pretty reasonable and generally likeable folks.
Just suggesting that for that large swath of our citizenry nationally, attach the parental responsibility to the abortion issue at your own peril.
For most here this is inside baseball from a pre-determined vantage point. The habitual screaming match is Colgate vs. Crest for the masses. Ceding parental rights is simply fundamental beyond the abortion issue and chips away at the new lefts case to the vast middle. Again a nuanced art form that most did t see coming when the unthinkable happened in 2016 nationally. Just be careful about winning the battle and losing the war.
=And 3rd trimester abortions are VERY rare and only done when absolutely necessary.=
You may be unaware of this development: Late term abortion is being discussed openly by 2020 presidential candidates. It concerns some people who are pro-choice and perfectly on board with early abortions.
Haven’t seen it this crowded since Secretary of State George Ryan announced his run for governor in the rotunda during a lunch hour.
It was amazing how everyone decided to spend their lunch hour in the rotunda.
Pro choice Bruce bought the Party and drove it in to the ground. Now they’re trying to find their footing, and happy for them, some of the remaining pots of money also favor a hard line on abortion. It works nationally, after all.
But will it play here? Will notification turn the famously pro-choice suburbs Red again? If they run candidates who support access for all adults and funding for poor adults but draw a line at notification, it might. But if they run candidates who oppose all abortion in all forms at all times, notification will get buried in the mix and they’ll lose again.
The Repubs need that moderate voice again. Without it, this is all sound and fury, signifying nothing.
- GraduatedCollegeStudent - Wednesday, Mar 20, 19 @ 10:17 pm:
Left-wing Europe allows abortion in only the first ===3 months of pregnancy. It’s insane to allow it for anytime, for any reason, up until moments before birth. Parents should know if their child is going to take a human life. We require them to know if their child is going to take aspirin, or go on a school field trip.===
Left wing Europe also has better worker rights/access to time off on the whole and significantly closer clinics than can be found in large chunks of the US. Maybe we wouldn’t have to worry about allowing 3rd trimester abortions if you didn’t need to plan to have one in 5-6 months.