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Separatism can spiral out of control

Monday, Apr 22, 2019

* The state of Washington has its own Eastern Bloc

A Washington state lawmaker says it’s time for eastern Washington to break away and become a 51st state called Liberty in order to protect gun rights and avoid the “socialist values of downtown Seattle.”

In a fiery speech Friday, Republican Matt Shea of Spokane Valley promoted his “state of Liberty” proposal at a sparsely attended 51st state rally in the Capitol rotunda.

“I’m not going to sit in a state that is going to try to take away our firearms,” Shea told the crowd, some of whom were openly carrying firearms. “So if they try to do that, then the only solution left is a 51st state.”

As Shea spoke, an unidentified bodyguard watched his back and two men held a 51st state flag that featured an osprey and the words “Liberty, Founded in Truth.” Shea said splitting Washington into two states would protect people in eastern Washington from what he described as Seattle’s experiment with socialism. […]

A six-term member of the Washington House, Shea is a self-described “Constitutional conservative” and “pro-liberty” legislator. He’s also no stranger to controversy. Last August, in a speech at a pro-gun rally, he referred to the media as “dirty, godless, hateful people.” In 2016, Shea participated in what he called a “fact-finding mission” to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge where he and other Northwest lawmakers met with the armed militants who had occupied the facility, as well as local officials and the FBI. In 2014, Shea traveled to Nevada to lend support to rancher Cliven Bundy, whose son led the Malheur occupation, during his fight with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing fees. […]

Shea has been trying to launch Liberty since at least 2015. This year, Shea and fellow Republican Bob McCaslin, also of Spokane Valley, introduced a bill to get Liberty up and running. The lawmakers have also introduced a House Joint Memorial petitioning Congress to create a new state in eastern Washington. So far neither have gotten a public hearing.

Our own Eastern Bloc uses similar rhetoric, but as you’ll see below it has so far been pretty tame by comparison, although ours appears larger.

* Things have clearly gotten out of hand in Washington

A Washington state Republican politician took part in private discussions with rightwing figures about carrying out surveillance, “psyops” and even violent attacks on perceived political enemies, according to chat records obtained by the Guardian.

State representative Matt Shea, who represents Spokane Valley in the Washington state house, participated in the chats with three other men. All of the men used screen aliases – Shea’s was “Verum Bellator”, Latin for true warrior. The Guardian confirmed the identity of those in the chat by cross-checking phone numbers attached to the Signal accounts. […]

The chats on the messaging app Signal took place in the days leading up to a supposed “Antifa revolt” on 4 November 2017. Throughout late October, far-right media outlets had been stoking fears of political conflict on the basis of planned peaceful protests by a small leftist group.

The men proposed to confront leftists – whom they repeatedly refer to as “communists” and “Antifa” – with a suite of tactics, including violence.

* Related…

* Wilhour Endorses County Board Votes on State Separation, FOID Card Registration: “They continue to burden our industries with impossible regulations that have crippled our private sector and limited our ability to create high wage jobs. They have no respect for the traditional values that have made our area great, and they are constantly working to erode our Constitutional rights. This is a position that I have long resisted, but so long as Chicago continues to marginalize our rights, our values and our pathway to prosperity; I contend that we are in fact better off without them.”

* Sen. Brian Stewart: Do we have challenges? Absolutely we do! We’ve had challenges since our state became a state. We’ll have more. I don’t think our challenges are because downstate Illinois is a tugboat riding the global tsunami of “powerful economic forces.” And I don’t think decline is inevitable. We’re different. We have always been different. And there’s nothing wrong with that. That’s what folks like Krugman and Matthews are missing. They don’t get what makes us different. Maybe our differences mean we have a different economy that requires different solutions than big cities do. Maybe that’s the reason “one size fits all” doesn’t work for us, whether it’s a mandate or an economic development incentive. There’s a lot we can do. We can follow Professor James Ziliak’s advice, in his chapter for the Aspen Institute titled “Restoring Economic Opportunity for ‘The People Left Behind’: Employment Strategies for Rural America,” and invest in “rural broadband infrastructure; an ongoing program of expanded access to financial capital for entrepreneurs and other small-business development initiatives in rural areas; and … to rejuvenate rural infrastructure.”We can pass the common sense solutions I filed this session, like SB1925 and SB1926 that seek to expand tax credits to downstate cities and towns, while removing dangerously restrictive language for businesses applying for the economic development incentives under the Growing Economy Tax Credit Act. We can look to the Illinois Farm Bureau’s recommendations that include regulatory reform; a reasonable tax policy especially when it comes to capital gains taxes and “lower effective tax rates for small and family-owned farms and ranches”; and infrastructure investment, that I personally think also has to end the practice of taking tax dollars from downstate Illinois and spending it in Chicago.

- Posted by Rich Miller        

72 Comments
  1. - Demoralized - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:26 am:

    I simply do not understand these feelings some have and I also think that these “movements” are absolutely ridiculous. The notion that people don’t feel represented is absurd. These people clearly don’t understand our electoral process and have come to believe, for whatever reason, that if they don’t get their way in how things are governing that their rights are somehow being taken away. They want to turn our democracy on it’s head. People pushing these sorts of movements need to be seen for what they are - nothing but a bunch of kooks.


  2. - Former Downstater - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:26 am:

    Sen. Stewart made sense right up until the last phrase.


  3. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:29 am:

    It’s tough being… angry, white, rural, old… and everyone not like you is wrong.


  4. - Scamp640 - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:30 am:

    Downstate provocateurs should be careful what they wish for. One way to predict what downstate Illinois would look like as a separate state is to compare life expectancy data for neighboring stats such as Missouri, Indiana, and Kentucky. On average, residents in those states die two years sooner than Illinois residents. Those extra dollars from north of I-80 make a difference.

    Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/ranked-life-expectancy-by-state-2018-4


  5. - Anon E Moose - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:33 am:

    “they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Truer now than ever.


  6. - Cheryl44 - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:38 am:

    I bet they’d miss the tax dollars from Seattle the way the downstate IL folks would miss money coming from Chicago.


  7. - Annonin' - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:39 am:

    WA seems like these WA magoos can be tucked nicely in Idaho — just like Caulkins and his magoo friends will fit into IN. Lords know these whacks would not want to be party to growin’ govt.
    BTW will there he live coverage of Slip&Sue’ “rauner returns” rally?


  8. - Grandson of Man - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:39 am:

    For sure we’re not going to let the political losers, the right wing separatists, dictate terms about separating Chicago from Illinois. If they don’t like the state’s political makeup they can either win elections or leave.


  9. - Harvest76 - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:46 am:

    Common Sense legislation like expanding tax credits for Downstate towns and cities? If you separate down state from Chicago, you won’t have to worry about tax credits because there won’t be any tax base against which to credit.


  10. - DuPage Saint - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:48 am:

    @Grandson of Man: But it is sooo hard to win elections and so easy to complain


  11. - Shark Sandwich - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:49 am:

    At least Shay’s Rebellion was about whiskey.


  12. - Annonin' - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:49 am:

    BTW clinging to guns and religion is sounding a little whimpy…the magoos need to quit whining.


  13. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:54 am:

    –On Wednesday, [Shelbyville Republican Rep. Brad Halbrook] stood in front of Abraham Lincoln’s statue and rallied hundreds of gun owners, saying, “Let’s build a wall around Cook County and get Chicago to pay for it. Let’s make Illinois Great Again.”–

    There were Confederate Stars and Bars waving in that gun crowd, in front of Lincoln.

    These charlatans are just appealing for attention in the worst way, to stroke their own egos and build their own brands.

    But when you tell people they are under attack by “the others,” don’t claim you’re not complicit when some believe it and act upon it.


  14. - lakeside - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 10:58 am:

    The Speaker should put it up for a vote in the House. Write the bill with all their rhetoric and arguments (Chicago pays for the wall, all that stuff), and see how many votes you get on it. Heck, put enough Dems on it so it’ll pass with, say, 10 Republican votes - however many of these jokesters are around.

    Because they absolutely do not want to live in the world they say they want, and wouldn’t vote for it. Call their bluff so we can put an end to wild obnoxiousness.


  15. - lakeside - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:00 am:

    It would have the fringe benefit of being very, very funny.


  16. - Grandson of Man - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:00 am:

    “I’m not going to sit in a state that is going to try to take away our firearms”

    Per capita gun deaths are highest in states where there are fewer gun regulations. Don’t these people want fewer gun deaths? Do they want their children, family members, friends, coworkers to be firearm casualties, like through accidental shootings and suicides? What’s wrong with more safety and responsibility?


  17. - Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:01 am:

    I had a hushed conversation with a citizen of the Eastern Bloc this weekend who assured me there is embarrassment with and resistance to this new Confederacy.
    I told this person to stay strong and smart.


  18. - Dotnonymous - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:04 am:

    This “separatist” impulse represents the last gasp of the Tea Baggers.


  19. - Demoralized - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:07 am:

    ==I’m not going to sit in a state that is going to try to take away our firearms==

    So don’t. Leave. Of course the premise that anyone is attempting to take away your firearms isn’t true.


  20. - JoanP - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:07 am:

    =I personally think also has to end the practice of taking tax dollars from downstate Illinois and spending it in Chicago=

    Tell you what. We’ll give you all back your tax dollars if you’ll give us back ours.

    I don’t think you’ll like the result.


  21. - Demoralized - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:07 am:

    I suppose they could call their new “state” Benedict Arnold.


  22. - Henry Francis - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:09 am:

    I saw the Eastern Blocheads get some pub on the Fox News website. This sentiment is only going grow because of Trump and Fox fanning the flames.

    When folks like Rep. Shea loses the battle of ideas, what does he have left to battle with?


  23. - Montrose - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:13 am:

    Could we extend Seattle’s monorail to Chicago and create the state of Chiattle as a counterweight to Guntopia? I would really like easier access to a couple of their breweries.


  24. - Gene - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:18 am:

    —attempting to take away your firearms isn’t true.—

    Any ban is confiscation by attrition.


  25. - Demoralized - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:23 am:

    ==is confiscation==

    Anyone knocking on your door to take away your guns? No. Then the use of the term confiscation is nothing but untrue hyperbole. It’s the standard “argument” against any sort of regulations of firearms.


  26. - ‘Goose - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:29 am:

    Eastern Oregon and Eastern WASHINGTON can be one state . Everything west of the cascades can be another. Cool.


  27. - Nonbeleiver - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:36 am:

    The nation is very split and this will increase.

    E Pluribus Unun has increasingly become E Pluribus Dissolutio.

    Easy for some to make fun of those who want to separate but it does not reflect well upon their tolerance and diversity.

    The question remains for those who want to separate is detailing precise plans as to how this would be done and not use it as merely rabble rousing and political posturing.


  28. - Dotnonymous - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:36 am:

    I would like to have a nickel for every firearm in Illinois.

    Any person with a FOID card may purchase unlimited firearms…unlimited pistols/rifles/shotguns are available in every town in Illinois.

    Why do we need so many guns?…I often wonder.

    It’s a good question?


  29. - JS Mill - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:38 am:

    =Our own Eastern Bloc uses similar rhetoric,=

    So did the USSR and other totalitarian groups. The love the “patriotic/freedom” cause talk. The more grandiose the better.

    But, in the end the demagogues are all the same.


  30. - Demoralized - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:43 am:

    ==it does not reflect well upon their tolerance and diversity==

    Really? You’re suggesting calling out these schemes is intolerant or against diversity (whatever that means). Of course people are going to make fun of them. And they should.


  31. - Medvale School for the Gifted - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:45 am:

    Please, Please Please, Mr. Speaker. Let the anti-Chgo bill out of Rules so it can get a fair and thorough review and debate.


  32. - The Way I See It - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 11:49 am:

    I bet that there is a larger game afoot for these bozos, like getting people to sign petitions and then selling their names and addresses for fundraising and people who sell survivalist gear and the like.


  33. - Rich Miller - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:08 pm:

    ===Easy for some to make fun of those who want to separate but it does not reflect well upon their tolerance and diversity.===

    Perhaps the dumbest comment of all time.

    People who want to separate are, by very definition, lacking in tolerance and love of diversity.

    Go take a nap.


  34. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:10 pm:

    –When folks like Rep. Shea loses the battle of ideas, what does he have left to battle with?–

    The real thing, i.e. his “Biblical Basis for War,” with tactics including assassination, guerilla warfare, sabotage and plunder.

    The objective being to create a so-called “Christian” theocracy with no Jews, Muslims, gays or darker-skinned people.

    You know, just like Jesus talked about in The Gospels.


  35. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:13 pm:

    Pardon, here’s a link to a story on Shea’s “Biblical Basis for War,” which contains a link to the actual document.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/state-lawmaker-matt-shea-defends-advocacy-for-holy-army-as-spokane-sheriff-refers-his-writings-to-fbi/


  36. - Anyone Remember - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:13 pm:

    CA has the State of Jefferson, NY has several movements (upstate, Long Island, etc.). Other than Long Island, common theme is a general trend towards “Ike Clanton carry” - open carry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)


  37. - Skeptic - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:15 pm:

    “Call their bluff so we can put an end to wild obnoxiousness.” With all due respect, that’s kind of how Donald Trump happened.


  38. - Cheryl44 - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:18 pm:

    ~The objective being to create a so-called “Christian” theocracy with no Jews, Muslims, gays or darker-skinned people.~

    I may be a white woman, but I’d prefer to live with that group over having to stay with the separatists.


  39. - Suburban Mom - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:20 pm:

    Tolerance isn’t a virtue, it’s a peace treaty. When the right refuses to abide by the terms of the treaty, it’s disingenuous for the right to constantly claim that the left is full of hypocrites for refusing to tolerate every stupid and dangerous idea that comes down the pike, while the right aggressively refuses to tolerate anything whatsoever. You can’t abandon the peace treaty and continue to hold the other party to it.


  40. - revvedup - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:55 pm:

    I like how anti-gun posters refuse to admit the existence of bills in the Illinois legislature that would disarm the law-abiding under the false premise of crime control, and/or violate the 2nd Amemdment right to keep and bear arms. So far we have: SB1497 CRIM CD-ASSAULT WEAPON BAN; SB1386 FOID-AMMUNITION SALES RESTRICTIONS; SB121 USE/OCC TAX-AMMUNITION; SB107 CRIM CD-ASSAULT WEAPON BAN;
    HB3698 CRIM CD-MULTIP SALE OF FIREARM; HB3553 MUNI & COUNTY-REGULATE FIREARM; HB3529 CRIM CD-LGE CAP AMMO&AMMO FD. Now, what was the lie the anti-gun people keep repeating about not wanting my guns, or infringing on my rights?


  41. - vole - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 12:59 pm:

    Calling for greater liberty from gun regulation is only calling attention to how little gun regulation actually limits liberty. When gun sales are lagging, ramp up the smears and fears of socialist big gubment taking away rights. And get the big, just-ain’t-right, dog pouring fuel on “rigged”.


  42. - Montrose - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 1:03 pm:

    * Now, what was the lie the anti-gun people keep repeating about not wanting my guns, or infringing on my rights?*

    Putting aside the substance of those bills, are any of them law? Every single one of those bills were re-referred to rules. They are dead. The separatists filed something to create two states, but that does mean we actually have two states. Right now, its just a bunch of words, just like those bills listed. Take a deep breath.


  43. - Vinron - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 1:17 pm:

    A fairly quick read on separatism - Cap Fax appears at fn 26.
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3130497


  44. - Demoralized - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 1:21 pm:

    ==that would disarm==

    Again, ridiculous hyperbole. Nobody is taking anything away from you. If you want to see what true confiscation and disarming looks like then go read about what New Zealand is doing right now and then come back here and throw your little temper tantrum about how you believe your rights are being taken away. They are not.

    Now, back to the actual topic


  45. - Lucky Pierre - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 1:22 pm:

    Keep mocking and ignoring the people who don’t live in the big cities Democrats.

    That worked out really well in 2016


  46. - Rich Miller - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 1:33 pm:

    ===That worked out really well in 2016===

    Yeah. Hillary won Illinois by 17 points.


  47. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 1:48 pm:

    –Keep mocking and ignoring the people who don’t live in the big cities Democrats.–

    My community would love some of that Ignoring ROI that Downstate gets on the taxes they send to Springfield.


  48. - Nuke the Whales - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 1:50 pm:

    This is the same Matt Shea who advocated following alleged AntiFa activists around and made no objection to the use of violence against them.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/20/matt-shea-rightwing-messages-chat-records


  49. - The Dude Abides - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 2:01 pm:

    “Per capita gun deaths are highest in states where there are fewer gun regulations.”

    While I agree with most of the previous comments about these far right wackos the above comment isn’t accurate. States with more gun control laws aren’t necessarily safer. I have a friend who currently lives in Tennessee, where there are fewer gun control regulations than Illinois. Tennessee has about 6.8 million people and they have fewer gun homicides than Chicago, with less than half of that population. Reducing gun homicides is a little more complicated than merely passing more laws. About 60% percent of gun deaths are by suicide. This country has a big problem dealing with the mentally ill. Suicide should be a mental illness issue, not a gun control issue.


  50. - someonehastosayit - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 2:09 pm:

    ==Suicide should be a mental illness issue, not a gun control issue== Are the studies that link the presence of a gun in the house with increased occurrences of suicide actively promoted or buried as “anti-gun” propaganda? If the Illinois Department of Health and Family Services tried to publicize such studies it would be fought tooth and nail by the NRA types for promoting gun control.


  51. - Bigtwich - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 2:13 pm:

    ==Keep mocking and ignoring==

    We can mock them or ignore them but we can not do both. Personally I favor the mocking.


  52. - 47th Ward - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 2:18 pm:

    ===Keep mocking and ignoring the people who don’t live in the big cities Democrats.===

    Can we still mock you?

    One of the primary differences between urban/suburban people and rural people is that a majority of the former are actively adapting to globalization while the latter are pretending it can be reversed if only their voices were heard.

    Adapt or be left behind. Resentment doesn’t solve anything. Quit your belly-aching and get your heads around the fact that the entire world is changing. It’s becoming smaller and more interconnected, and that brings both positive and negative consequences.

    Nothing can stop this force. The best you can do is to mitigate its negatives. To do that, you have to acknowledge that it’s happening. Some would rather pretend it’s not.


  53. - Old and In thevWay - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 2:26 pm:

    The Dude Abides
    While I don’t disagree about suicide and mental health you are wrong about states and their gun laws.
    2018 Stats
    Illinois #34. 11.6 gun deaths per 100,000 (506 gun suicides)
    Tennessee #14. 17 gun deaths per 100,000 (675 gun suicides)

    There is a correlation and it is consistent. You can look it up as Yogi said.


  54. - I am your neighbor - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 2:50 pm:

    People who live in the rest of Illinois don’t care what kind of safety statistics are spouted by Chicagoland people who don’t understand gun ownership. They really don’t.

    They really frost over when those same people say they’re not coming for your guns. With bans and registrations and tomorrow’s confiscations, they really want to deprive you of your guns.

    But the Chicagoland people think they’re being genuine, compassionate and true because they think they only want to ban and remove the firearms that look scary to them, the ones that Bloomberg and Brady don’t like.

    Those scary ones are ones I am clinging to.


  55. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 3:06 pm:

    –Tennessee has about 6.8 million people and they have fewer gun homicides than Chicago, with less than half of that population. –

    Apples and bowling balls, comparing homicide rates of a large city and a state.

    For states, TN and IL have about the same homicide rate. For big cities, Chicago has a lower rate than Memphis.

    St. Louis’ homicide rate is more than 2.5 times that of Chicago, and is the highest in the country.

    Not surprisingly, then, among all cities, East St. Louis has the highest rate in the state and the country.

    St. Louis also has the highest violent crime rate in the country. Milwaukee, Memphis and Indianapolis are in the top ten. Chicago is not in the top 25.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

    https://www.thetrace.org/2018/04/highest-murder-rates-us-cities-list/

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-united-states.html


  56. - Old and In the Way - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 3:10 pm:

    I am your neighbor

    I don’t live in Chicago or anywhere near it. I own guns and do understand gun ownership and the responsibilities required. What concerns me is that most of these people have a very different view of gun ownership and its responsibilities.


  57. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 3:10 pm:

    –People who live in the rest of Illinois don’t care what kind of safety statistics are spouted by Chicagoland people who don’t understand gun ownership. They really don’t.–

    Must be a heavy load speaking for millions of people.

    With that kind of support, why didn’t you run for governor? You’d be a shoo-in.


  58. - rejjs - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 4:01 pm:

    I love that the GOP weirdo talking about psy-ops and violence against his enemies used the screen name “Verum Bellator.”

    Masculine adjectives in that Latin declension use -us for masculine; -um is for the neuter gender. Shea seems to be proclaiming his gender as neuter.


  59. - Gene Ralno - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 4:38 pm:

    Fifteen states have groups discussing secession. About two dozen states are being politically dominated and even oppressed by big cities controlled by democrat activists.


  60. - Rich Miller - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 4:39 pm:

    ===even oppressed===

    I’ve traveled to several countries where citizens are oppressed. You have zero idea what you’re talking about.


  61. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 4:43 pm:

    –About two dozen states are being politically dominated and even oppressed by big cities controlled by democrat activists.–

    Please tell us more about this oppression. Be specific, or you’ll just sound like a weak whiner.


  62. - IllinoisBoi - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 4:45 pm:

    ==With bans and registrations and tomorrow’s confiscations, they really want to deprive you of your guns.==

    It seems the tomorrow when guns are confiscated never seems to arrive.


  63. - Tired of Both Parties - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 5:15 pm:

    “It seems the tomorrow when guns are confiscated never seems to arrive.”

    Hmmm. Maybe it is because groups like the NRA fight off these gun confiscation efforts?

    Why does it seem when there is an issue that so called old rural white people are passionate about such as gun rights, that these folks are told to quit complaining and mocked? If “people of color” were pro-gun and received the same treatment these old rural white people get, everyone that criticized them would be labeled a racist.


  64. - 47th Ward - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 5:23 pm:

    ===d? If “people of color” were pro-gun…===

    First, many are pro-gun. Second, the last time African-Americans loudly embraced their 2nd Amendment rights, Governor Ronald Reagan signed one of the toughest fun control bills of its time.

    So be careful of what you wish for.


  65. - 47th Ward - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 5:24 pm:

    Gun control. Reagan was probably against fun too, but not in this case. Google Mulford Act.


  66. - I am your neighbor - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 5:50 pm:

    >>>> the last time African-Americans loudly embraced their 2nd Amendment rights,

    We got McDonald v Chicago, and the 2nd Amendment was found to guarantee a fundamental civil right that your state or local government cannot infringe upon.


  67. - 47th Ward - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 5:53 pm:

    Lol neighbor, do you think history began when you were born?


  68. - Anyone Remember - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 6:31 pm:

    For those who mentioned Reagan and Mulford, check this out. https://www.greensboro.com/townnews/politics/it-depends-on-who-has-the-guns/article_6088c25a-efe3-11e3-b04b-0017a43b2370.amp.html


  69. - Harvest76 - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 7:08 pm:

    ==With bans and registrations and tomorrow’s confiscations, they really want to deprive you of your guns.==
    They must have a list of conservatives to take guns from, because I’m a lefty and in 30 years my gun collection has exploded. never once was I denied access to a weapon or ammo.


  70. - DuPage Dave - Monday, Apr 22, 19 @ 7:15 pm:

    Makes me feel old. I remember Forgotonia as the poor, neglected, unrepresented part of Illinois crying for separation. I also remember Lincoln County, the norther tier of Cook County, feeling much the same way. Same old gasbags peddling the same old baloney sausage. It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.


  71. - Shawshank Red - Tuesday, Apr 23, 19 @ 8:28 am:

    I hope nobody gets shot at one of these rallies in Washington state. They might need a nurse …


  72. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Tuesday, Apr 23, 19 @ 10:14 am:

    ==They really frost over when those same people say they’re not coming for your guns.==

    If they’re cold they should come inside for a spell. It’s true. No one is coming for their guns. The FOID card is a dollar a year and it takes five minutes to fill out the application.


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