Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » Pritzker: “We are beyond the moment where testing alone can be our primary weapon” - 180 people applied to rejoin healthcare workforce - “No way that these companies can ramp up fast enough to get us everything that we need in the time that we need it” - 54% of confirmed cases are white, 33% black, 11% Latino, 5% Asian - Unarmed National Guard is not enforcing quarantines - Doesn’t think president is listening to scientists - “Concerned that we may have to extend that deadline” - Governor says he will spend some of his own money
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Pritzker: “We are beyond the moment where testing alone can be our primary weapon” - 180 people applied to rejoin healthcare workforce - “No way that these companies can ramp up fast enough to get us everything that we need in the time that we need it” - 54% of confirmed cases are white, 33% black, 11% Latino, 5% Asian - Unarmed National Guard is not enforcing quarantines - Doesn’t think president is listening to scientists - “Concerned that we may have to extend that deadline” - Governor says he will spend some of his own money

Tuesday, Mar 24, 2020 - Posted by Rich Miller

* From the governor’s press conference…

In February, we were among the first states to bring our own state laboratories online, providing us with critical early capacity. At the time we were able to run around 50 tests per day. Today we could do nearly 2000 tests per day from all sources with our state labs now running 600 tests per day in all three locations, Chicago, Springfield, and Carbondale. A lot of work has gone into building up our testing capacity and there’s still a lot more work to be done. On Sunday and Monday we began drive through testing at for state and federal facilities. The Illinois National Guard opened our first entirely state-run drive-through testing facility in northwest Chicago. The Harwood heights community based testing site. This site is designed especially to collect specimens from our healthcare workers and first responders and at current capacity. They can collect 250 specimens per day. Senior members of the US Department of Health and Human Services were out to survey that site this last weekend and they called our setup a national model that they hope to replicate in other states. […]

Over the last few days federal HHS has also set up sites in Bolingbroke North Lake and Joliet with private partners Walgreens and Walmart. These sites can run close to 100 tests per day as is and up to 250 each with expanded staffing here in Illinois. Our residents also have access to four commercial labs and 15 hospital labs that in total average about 1500 tests per day on top of our state lab output. That’s of course on top of the 600 per day that we run at our state labs. IDPH is working with some hospitals to stand up their own new labs, providing positive specimens to hospitals for validation, so they can come online faster. As we speak labs at places like North Shore hospital and Southern Illinois University are expanding their capacity with additional equipment and supplies, with an expected additional capacity of 2805 daily tests in two weeks. That will bring our in state testing to more than 4300 per day.

Now, even with this rapid expansion, we still need 10s of thousands more tests to get an accurate picture of our state, that’s within our reach. Though standing up additional hospital lab sites will be required and mobile testing sites will be required across the state. And we’re doing that with a continued consistent delivery of necessary supplies such as reagent and viral transport media we can get this job done.

Of course, nationally and here in Illinois, we are beyond the moment where testing alone can be our primary weapon against this virus. We can’t just test, we have to treat. It’s true that the vast majority of people will recover from COVID 19 on their own without hospitalization, and without a specific therapy.

One aspect of that is our healthcare workforce, those on the frontlines fighting COVID 19 every day. And I’m very proud to say that since my call to action this weekend for those qualified to join the fight. We have had hundreds of nurses and doctors and other health care workers reach out to us and let us know that they are interested in helping the application went live yesterday and in just 24 hours, we’ve already received 180 applications from individuals ready and willing to rejoin the healthcare workforce.

…Adding… From a press release…

Hospitals across the state are meeting the current need, and the state is building additional capacity to treat patients that may need care in the future.

As of March 23, data reported to the Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH) showed 12,588 non-ICU beds, 1,106 ICU beds and 1,595 ventilators available in hospitals across the state. The current capacity of the state’s health care system as of is shown in the table below.

* Impact of stay at home order…

I want to take a moment now to provide you with a fuller picture of what we could be dealing with in the near future. As I’ve said, You deserve honesty and transparency on the gravity of our situation, and the reasoning behind the aggressive measures, like the stay at home order that I’ve put in place in our worst case scenario projections. That is without the stay at home order, in one week we would need over 2500 more non ICU beds and 800 ICU beds, than we have in existence in the entire state today. Further still in two weeks, we would need over 28,000, additional non ICU beds and over 9400 additional ICU beds. That’s untenable.

Again, I’m using Otter for transcription, so expect typos.

* Triage tents and closed hospitals…

IEMA has deployed 49 triage tents, 40 outside of Cook County to set up triage units outside of hospitals to safely and efficiently evaluate potential COVID 19 patients. In total, 66 of our over 200 hospitals statewide have set up triage tents with IEMA, or on their own. IEMA is currently working with 26 additional hospitals to set up triage centers, and my team and I will make sure that each and every one of those hospitals, has what they need to get a triage center going. […]

IDPH, IEMA, the Illinois National Guard and the US Army Corps of Engineers are in the process of investigating closed hospitals that could temporarily reopen to support our COVID 19 response. In a worst case scenario surge the state would turn existing hospitals into almost entirely COVID 19 response hospitals, moving non COVID patients to other hospitals including these re-outfitted locations.

* Ventilators…

The number one difference between a standard bed, and a COVID equipped bed is a ventilator. Right now in Illinois we have about 2200 ventilators all across the state of which 1600 are currently available. I n the worst case scenario projections that I discussed earlier, we would need over 4100 more ventilators to outfit our ICU beds within two weeks. Again, that’s a projection based on no protective interventions. My team and I are pursuing every option to increase our state’s supply of ventilators including working with scientists and experts in Illinois and beyond to pursue innovative new equipment options.

* White House…

Yesterday I spoke with President Trump to walk him through Illinois’ immediate needs, millions of N 95 masks, and hundreds of ventilators just in the near term. President Trump promised assistance and yesterday afternoon. The White House notified us that we will be receiving 300 more ventilators and 300,095 masks from FEMA in the coming days. On that call I also urged the president to invoke the defense production act. I know I sound like a broken record, but if I have to stand here every single day until I’m blue in the face and advocate that the federal government fully utilize this act, then I will.

This is the reality, there is a finite supply of critical resources available around the world right now. There is an enormous supply of governors and countries trying to get those resources. We need the full might of the federal government to obtain and allocate things like ventilators and PPE. I know there are businesses out there right now working on turning production toward these critical needs and I’ve been vocal about how grateful I am to the manufacturing community for the most part, which is stepping up to try and help, but there is no way that these companies can ramp up fast enough to get us everything that we need in the time that we need it

* Reopen the country?…

Finally, there has been some talk over the last 24 hours by some about who this nation might be willing to sacrifice to COBID 19, for the sake of our economic interests. Well, in case there’s any doubt in your minds, I’m not willing to sacrifice anyone.

There is no life in this state that is more or less precious than any other no person more or less worthy of saving. I want grandparents around to help raise their grandchildren. I want people to spend years after this is over, celebrating birthdays and wedding anniversaries and healthy retirements. I want Illinois to continue to be enriched by its young and old residents alike. Our economic strength comes from our diversity in this state, and the hard won experiences of our citizens without that we are nothing with it. There is nothing that we cannot overcome.

* It’s now the IDPH director’s turn…

In terms of the data that we’ve collected, 54% of our confirmed cases are white, 33% are black, 5% are categorized as Asian, we have 11% of Latino or Hispanic ethnicity.

In terms of severity of illness, our data shows that 16% of COVID cases have resulted in hospitalization, 4% have resulted in ICU admission. Of the lives lost, we see that 92% of those lives lost are in those older than 60.

* The National Guard’s Adjutant General again tried to counter rumors…

The National Guard has been the subject of recent rumors that we were performing some type of policing action to enforce a quarantine. Well let me repeat again today that the Illinois National Guard is not bringing weapons, and not enforcing quarantines. What we are doing is bringing approximately 115 personnel of the medical profession, as the governor spoke of earlier, to support things like drive through testing.

He continued by outlining the rest of the things the Guard is doing. It’s a lot.

* Now on to questions for the governor. First responders, healthcare workers are exhausted. Any potential to help relieve them?…

Healthcare workers are being overworked there’s no doubt about it. They’re doing heroic amazing work every day. And they do deserve a break as best we can give them. They’re so dedicated, they’re dedicated in non-crisis times I must say, and now they’re working, you know even harder. So as you know we expanded the eligibility to work in the healthcare field to people who had recently retired, we can give them back their licenses. Nearly immediately and those who may have left the profession for some other profession, we need them back we’re encouraging them to come back and we’ve seen hundreds already talking to us about coming back filling out forms and so on.

And so in that way we’re trying to fill up the need for more health care workers so we can alleviate some of the work on the front lines. We’re also, at the edges at the borders of the state, we’re allowing people who may work as healthcare workers in other states but may live in Illinois, or they may live on the other side of the border, and may be willing to work in Illinois, we want to make sure they get licensed in Illinois and so reciprocity, for those folks. We want to be able to move healthcare workers to where they’re most needed so we’re doing our best to try to alleviate the congestion let’s say that that is weighing upon the healthcare industry the healthcare workforce today and we’ll keep looking for ways to do that.

* Asked about President Trump’s stated desire to get the economy going again by April…

My concern with the President’s remarks is I don’t think he’s listening to the science. I think that he is, you know, operating, he’s looking at the stock market, which I know he’s essentially judges himself by, and making decisions in that way. Look, I understand that. What’s happening now is very, very difficult for families all across this nation.

Everybody is suffering financially from this and some more than others, and so this is something that weighs on all of us. And I think about how we can support people across the state of Illinois. We’ve done many things like expanding unemployment benefits and providing meals for kids and making sure that we’re looking at shelter for those who are homeless. There’s a, there’s an awful lot and of course we stopped evictions in the state and we stopped, we put a moratorium on on shut offs of utilities and so on, we’re doing many other things like that to protect people from the economic downturn that seems to be upon us.

But I think the President is not taking into account the true damage that this will do to our country. If we see truly millions of people die, and that’s what I think would happen that’s what the scientists and the doctors tell us what will happen. And you heard me say a little bit earlier, if you don’t have these restrictions on the damage that would be done that the lives that would be lost the overriding of our healthcare system would lead to real devastation so I’m very very concerned about what the President is saying.

* Will he be extending the stay at home order beyond April 7…

Again, I’m trying to follow the science here and I am concerned that we may have to extend that deadline.

You know we have to start to see some movement in the numbers in the right direction or at least a shaping of the curve that looks like we’re hitting you know a good spot in that curve.

* Budget adjustments?…

Well that is an excellent question I mean there’s no doubt that any estimates that were made even two months ago would be, you know, not useful. At this point I don’t think anybody expected where we would be today.

So we are working with our budget experts, with our Office of Management budget, with my deputy governor for budget and economy and our entire team to try to figure out what direction, what’s the steepness of the downturn in revenues and of course there are expenditures that we’re needing to make to save people’s lives to protect people across the state. We’re going to do what we need to do there’s no question about that. But yes, of course behind that we’ve got to look at our budget situation and do whatever we need to do to address it and then you know we’ve got to also consult with the General Assembly on what we will do for next year’s budget.

* Would he spend part of his own personal fortune to acquire PPE…

Well I’ve reached out to an awful lot of people in the business community that I know, to help them, to get them to help us acquire PPE from around the world. Many of them have offered their resources. I, of course, have been charitable as you know over the years and intend to be in this situation as well. And so we’ll be doing, I’m gonna be doing everything that I can. I’m certainly working more morning noon and night and I’ll put my resources to bear on it too.

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42 Comments
  1. - Boone's is Back - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 2:54 pm:

    ===we’ve already received 180 applications from individuals ready and willing to rejoin the healthcare workforce.===

    Thank you to those people that are willing to put themselves at risk to help their communities.


  2. - SAP - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:03 pm:

    ==we’ve already received 180 applications from individuals ready and willing to rejoin the healthcare workforce.==

    May God bless every one of you and all the many people on the front lines.


  3. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:07 pm:

    ===… 180 applications from individuals ready and willing to rejoin the healthcare workforce.===

    The gratitude I owe them, I’ll never fully repay ALL those in the medical field… including these 180 returning.

    It’s emotional, and I didn’t think it would be reading it, but it is. Wow.


  4. - Jane A - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:23 pm:

    My niece is an ER nurse at a hospital in the suburbs that has just been designated as a center for coronavirus care. She is one of the bravest young women I know. She considers her service to be simply what she should do in the line of duty.

    Thank you to all health care professionals who share this ethic.


  5. - Precinct Captain - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:29 pm:

    Contrast Gov. Pritzker with DJT, who has also RTed a Breitbart post called “Biden’s brain freeze” and James Woods attacking voting rights:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242416827558498304


  6. - Last Bull Moose - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:35 pm:

    Thanks to all who are helping.
    Many recent veterans were trained as EMT’s. I would put out a call to them also.


  7. - Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:37 pm:

    Trump promised 300 ventilators when the governor told him we need 2500?

    I want to see some data on how these are being distributed, by state.


  8. - Huh? - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:47 pm:

    “Thank you to those people that are willing to put themselves at risk to help their communities.”

    Thank you to all of the store clerks and stock people struggling to keep food and goods on the shelves.

    It isn’t just people in the medical field who are helping fight the corona virus.

    I have a daughter who is one of these selfless people, trying to keep store shelves stocked. I have three cousins serving in the medical field as ER nurses and staff physicians.

    My family has skin in the game.


  9. - Arock - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:48 pm:

    “There is no life in this state that is more or less precious than any other no person more or less worthy of saving.” - if it were only true.


  10. - JoanP - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 3:56 pm:

    I’m so impressed that people are willing to go back onto the front lines. Thank you so much.

    @Huh? -

    That is so true. Truckers, grocery store workers, garbage disposal workers, utility workers, so many people out there, putting themselves at risk, to help make sure that the rest of us have what we need.

    Say “thank you” to your daughter for me.


  11. - Former Candidate on the Ballot - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:05 pm:

    “This is the reality, there is a finite supply of critical resources available around the world right now…. but there is no way that these companies can ramp up fast enough to get us everything that we need in the time that we need it”

    There could not be a more honest and truthful statement said. No blame, just the realities of micro economics


  12. - Louis G Atsaves - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:06 pm:

    Dr. Emmanuel claims 14 days in a New York Times piece online today. Is he an expert?


  13. - Rich Miller - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:11 pm:

    ===Dr. Emmanuel claims 14 days===

    The problem is that not all of the country has implemented stay home orders. We’ll know when we get there.

    Some of you argue like children on a trip asking “Are we there yet?” over and over. Take a breath. Social distance. Do your best. And hopefully this whole thing will go away soon. Enough with the tantrums, already.


  14. - Bourbon Street - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:13 pm:

    My respect and admiration for Gov. Pritzker has really grown since the start of this ordeal. I’m in Florida right now and DeSantis’ handling of this crisis has been so weak that the Miami Herald issued an editorial that excoriates him. (I don’t know how to post links, so I apologize.)

    I’m wondering if there is a way to draft Pritzker to be governor of Florida. Pure fantasy, but we really need someone like him down here.


  15. - NonProfit Nellie - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:17 pm:

    This is great but don’t forget all of those very underpaid workers who are supporting seniors, people with disabilities, persons with mental health diagnoses and persons with intellectual and/or developmental disabilities. Putting themselves at risk every day because you can’t support persons with disabilities from your home.


  16. - Generation X - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:21 pm:

    ===I’m wondering if there is a way to draft Pritzker to be governor of Florida. Pure fantasy, but we really need someone like him down here.===

    So Desantis has overseen a state with almost double the population of Illinois and far more elderly residents and had 17 death coming into today, compared with Illinois 12. What exactly has DeSantis done wrong?


  17. - Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:29 pm:

    ==What exactly has DeSantis done wrong?==

    Taken half-steps in contrast with other governors. Criticized the CDC. Punted decisions to local officials. Should I go on?


  18. - Last Bull Moose - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:31 pm:

    It sounds like triage will soon be a reality. In theory, if everyone avoided contact for 3 weeks the pandemic would end. But that will not happen.


  19. - Excitable Boy - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:35 pm:

    - What exactly has DeSantis done wrong? -

    Time will tell, and we’ll also see how many vacationers took the virus back to their home states. We’re supposed to all be in this together, the party of “family values” seems to have missed that one.


  20. - Generation X - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:37 pm:

    ===Taken half-steps in contrast with other governors. Criticized the CDC. Punted decisions to local officials. Should I go on?===

    Criticizing the CDC? They are part of the Federal response that Pritzker is upset with no?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/as-coronavirus-spreads-to-suburbs-pritzker-lashes-out-at-cdc-for-test-shortage

    Some Governance is best left to locals

    All this and Florida is faring pretty well overall. I guess DeSantis is just uber lucky


  21. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:39 pm:

    === All this and Florida is faring pretty well overall.===

    Narrator: In 14 days, we’ll see.


  22. - Precinct Captain - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 5:04 pm:

    ==- Generation X - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 4:37 pm:==

    If I put my head in the sand, do little to no testing, and pretend nothing is happening, that doesn’t mean nothing is happening.

    Just today the Trump administration has order states to stop releasing unemployment #s.

    https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hinz-politics/trump-administration-dusts-2008-order-states-dont-release-daily-jobless-numbers


  23. - Han's Solo Cup - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 5:05 pm:

    OW-
    I guess Florida and Missouri will be the “control” groups in this big petri dish.


  24. - JoanP - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 5:08 pm:

    Rich,

    I just want to say how much I appreciate your transcriptions of Pritzker’s press briefings. I try to watch them, but I sometimes don’t, and it’s great to be able to read these, unfiltered.


  25. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 5:16 pm:

    - Han’s Solo Cup -

    Yeah. I know, as I’m sure you will agree, that whatever is found can be as limited and less damaging then what could be feared.

    You be safe too.

    OW


  26. - Soccermom - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 5:54 pm:

    “There is no life in this state that is more or less precious than any other no person more or less worthy of saving. I want grandparents around to help raise their grandchildren. I want people to spend years after this is over, celebrating birthdays and wedding anniversaries and healthy retirements. I want Illinois to continue to be enriched by its young and old residents alike. Our economic strength comes from our diversity in this state, and the hard won experiences of our citizens without that we are nothing with it. There is nothing that we cannot overcome.”

    This literally made me cry.


  27. - Captain Obvious - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 6:27 pm:

    There is no life in this state that is more or less precious than any other no person more or less worthy of saving.

    I hope he applies this sentiment to other issues as well, but i won’t hold my breath.


  28. - Candy Dogood - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 6:36 pm:

    ===I guess Florida and Missouri will be the “control” groups in this big petri dish. ===

    States: The laboratories of COVID-19 Responses.

    Federalism has never more clearly demonstrated it’s value than in the fact that states which have chosen to elect reasonable fact driven leaders concerned with the well being of the people which they serve are able to respond to a public health crisis.

    While others are willing to literally sacrifice their citizens on an altar to please the invisible hand.


  29. - Washingtonian - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 7:09 pm:

    Proud of our state govt. Glad it’s not the last gov.


  30. - Generation X - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 7:09 pm:

    ===If I put my head in the sand, do little to no testing, and pretend nothing is happening, that doesn’t mean nothing is happening.===

    Must be dropping a lot of bodies in the Atlantic, Dexter style. With 4.2 million senior citizens in Florida, I think the news would pick up on DeSantis cooking the books.


  31. - LakeCo - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 7:48 pm:

    =Must be dropping a lot of bodies in the Atlantic, Dexter style. With 4.2 million senior citizens in Florida, I think the news would pick up on DeSantis cooking the books.=

    Do you not understand how this whole pandemic thing works? You can’t draw any conclusions from today’s numbers out of Florida, it’s just a snapshot in time. Meanwhile the virus is spreading silently and relatively unchecked. The people who are catching and spreading it now won’t have symptoms for another week. That’s why you have to wait and see. Go look at Rich’s charts on the # of cases in Illinois, and pay special attention to the part where the numbers start to rise exponentially.


  32. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 7:54 pm:

    “Say “thank you” to your daughter for me.”

    I went one better. I told her she was my hero. I am so proud of her.


  33. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 8:07 pm:

    7:54 twas I. Like I said, my daughter, my hero. One of the unseen and unsung heroes of this crisis.

    Say thank you to them the next time you are in a grocery store. Be nice to them. It isn’t their fault that the shelves are bare.


  34. - 588-2300 - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 8:16 pm:

    A better question for Pritzker: Will he continue to order the entire State to be subject to his emergency executive order if it becomes clear that the spread of Coronavirus is under control outside of a localized area?


  35. - Huh? - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 9:00 pm:

    Let’s try this again 7:54 and 8:07 twas I. My daughter. My hero.


  36. - Generation X - Tuesday, Mar 24, 20 @ 10:37 pm:

    ===Do you not understand how this whole pandemic thing works? You can’t draw any conclusions from today’s numbers out of Florida, it’s just a snapshot in time. Meanwhile the virus is spreading silently and relatively unchecked. The people who are catching and spreading it now won’t have symptoms for another week. That’s why you have to wait and see. Go look at Rich’s charts on the # of cases in Illinois, and pay special attention to the part where the numbers start to rise exponentially.===

    I wonder if the numbers rising have anything to do with the number of tests being administered? Seems like that would be a key variable. Another factor are the likely thousands of people have had this virus with symptoms not serious enough to require hospitalization or testing. Those two factors make the reporting of cases an extremely poor way of tracking this virus and where it is impacting.

    The better way to assess how things are going for an area is the death totals. Washington got blindsided, but from there you can start to see where measures are having a positive or negative impact.

    I don’t pretend to know what measure every state and local government has taken but Florida had its first known case on March 1st and likely had many more unknown cases. The virus has had plenty of time to spread.


  37. - First Amdt Lawyer - Wednesday, Mar 25, 20 @ 7:41 am:

    Generation X,

    Reason in a time of public panic is a rare and dangerous thing.


  38. - Touré's Latte - Wednesday, Mar 25, 20 @ 8:09 am:

    IL still needs more data — more testing — to establish a reliable delta on various needs. Using the fast becoming popular war referencing, testing will help remove the fog of war.

    “No way that these companies can ramp up fast enough to get us everything that we need in the time that we need it” Please JB, rather than question the troops, stick with rallying the troops.


  39. - Eastside - Wednesday, Mar 25, 20 @ 8:32 am:

    I do not get the Governors who have issued statewide restrictions set to expire before Easter criticizing the President’s comments on Easter. If his comments were so reckless, why do their own orders expire before Easter? Are they ignoring science too?


  40. - SSL - Wednesday, Mar 25, 20 @ 9:57 am:

    Florida has potential to be Italy. Hoping it won’t be, but with as many seniors that live in densely populated areas, along with a much less restrictive approach than other states have taken, there is real risk. Maybe the heat and humidity will help?


  41. - Pundent - Wednesday, Mar 25, 20 @ 10:17 am:

    @ Eastside - In most instances the states are time bound by statute as to how long restrictions can stay in place. But most Governors have acknowledged that those orders can and would be extended as conditions warrant.

    The President on the other hand is predicting an arbitrary date that he wants social distancing to end by. It’s based on nothing more than his “hunch” that by Easter this will have gone on long enough. Big difference in approach.


  42. - JoanP - Wednesday, Mar 25, 20 @ 11:54 am:

    =say thank you to them the next time you are in a grocery store. =

    Did that this morning at my produce store, a small, family-owned business. And turned down the senior discount, because they need it (small as it would have been) more than I do.


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