Jibba - yes and everyone focuses on the major sports but the lower-dollar (or lower-revenue generating) sports are also going to be greatly impacted by the additional logistics & travel costs.
I feel like we are getting close to the point of needing just football and basketball conferences.
Sure is going to be productive for the men’s and woman’s track team to load up from Maryland and fly to USC for a Big Ten meet on some random Tuesday.
The new Big Ten Network deal looks like it will be worth more than $40 million a year for each school. But remember the schools just can’t afford to pay the players.
I was not expecting to see any rigged election claims by the Trump fans I know on FB after Bailey and Devore won their primaries. And yet this morning I am seeing rigged claims because Peggy Hubbard lost to Kathy Salvi. *facepalm*
Holiday weekend! In a reasonably good mood and feeling positive heading into the weekend. I reserve the right to revert to Illinois centric complaining though.
===yes and everyone focuses on the major sports but the lower-dollar (or lower-revenue generating) sports are also going to be greatly impacted by the additional logistics & travel costs.===
The re-negotiation with ESPN and the B1G network in the Los Angeles market will help a great deal.
Tough to see this being a “fiscal” move where USC and UCLA lose.
Whew the SEC added Texas and Oklahoma, the brand went up considerably, wait till B1G resets its own value after this.
@ Jibba - I am disappointed as well. Regions mean something in the context of sports. As a person born in the Commonwealth of Virginia, I love the Atlantic Coast schools. I loathe the Southeast schools. I respect the Midwest and the Big 8/12 for their ferocity. The PAC 10 was always “West Coast offense, etc.
Today, there is none of that. And to keep this Illinois-centric, one has to wonder why the U of I and Northwestern would vote to expand again. What will the actual University of Illinois and Northwestern University get out of this, except a few more dollars when their games are ignored in the California market?
NCAA sports are so much wedded to big business, that conferences are starting to cease to be meaningful. As a result, the SEC has won. End of story. Other conferences no longer matter. The Big 10/12/14/16 ought to rebrand itself as “The Coast to Coast Second Tier Conference.”
do we know that U of I and Northwestern voted to expand? my guess is yes, but it is against the interests of athletes in many ways. they probably did because the B1G is trying to keep pace with the SEC and they have also out played the ACC with all its media problems (last year was not on Comcast. which is kinda fun since the ACC Commissioner came from Northwestern.
-do we know that U of I and Northwestern voted to expand? my guess is yes,-
It was unanimous. Other than debating whether this should be happening, the more immediate question is who is next? Cal Berkeley and Stanford would bring the Bay Area and are good academic fits. Washington and Oregon? Rumors about them already. And could this be the time when Notre Dame finally has to make a move or be left without a chair when the music stops, and left without the ability to put a schedule together?
==The new Big Ten Network deal looks like it will be worth more than $40 million a year for each school.==
==Tough to see this being a “fiscal” move where USC and UCLA lose.==
The *current* BIG payout per school is almost $47 million vs. the $20 million that PAC pays, so those schools are more than doubling their payout at a minimum. SEC schools get $54 million each. Figure the new BIG media deal will be north of $50 million per school.
Adding…I’m good with this. If there’s going to be major megaconferences, as a Big Ten alum, I don’t want to see the conference left behind. Now they need a couple of other west coast partners - Oregon (Nike) and Washington (media market) fit the bill. Add in Notre Dame and maybe Stanford or maybe steal Mizzou (SEC would nab Clemson), and you’ve got a clean 20. I don’t think either them or the SEC are done until they’re at 24 though
@Joe - I support your thinking. Oregon (with Nike) is a no brainer to pick-up. Stanford is a good get with excellent academics and really good “Olympic sports”.
I think this pushed Notre Dame to join up with someone and why not the Big Ten.
When the mega conferences decide we need to take care of our own, and our members can only schedule 2 nonconference football games in September, schools are not going to use those tuneup games on Notre Dame.
=ND having to share football revenue only works if B1G top the monies ND makes with the ACC agreement and football money NOT shared.=
“Reports earlier this month had indicated that the Big Ten could finalize its new deal by Memorial Day weekend and that the deal could net nearly double the current annual distribution of $54 million per school. But Iowa athletic director Gary Barta said that figure was wishful thinking.”
Notre Dame gets $15 million for football and I don’t think they get all of the $17 million from the ACC because they aren’t in their football deal.
===And then there’s this: the Wall Street Journal reported that in 2019, Notre Dame brought in $118 million in football-related revenue, and Forbes had the program in 2018 posting a $72 million profit.===
==The Big 10 adding USC and UCLA shows just how nuts college sports is. All about the dollars now.==
At least Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers made some sense 10-12 years ago. Although at the time of the Nebraska move in June 2010 I would have also added Mizzou as was originally anticipated for years.
- TheInvisibleMan - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:07 am:
Bobby Piton seems to be having a bad day on twitter today.
- Jibba - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:14 am:
The Big 10 adding USC and UCLA shows just how nuts college sports is. All about the dollars now.
- Sports Stooge - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:16 am:
Jibba - yes and everyone focuses on the major sports but the lower-dollar (or lower-revenue generating) sports are also going to be greatly impacted by the additional logistics & travel costs.
- Cool Papa Bell - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:21 am:
I feel like we are getting close to the point of needing just football and basketball conferences.
Sure is going to be productive for the men’s and woman’s track team to load up from Maryland and fly to USC for a Big Ten meet on some random Tuesday.
The new Big Ten Network deal looks like it will be worth more than $40 million a year for each school. But remember the schools just can’t afford to pay the players.
- hisgirlfriday - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:25 am:
I was not expecting to see any rigged election claims by the Trump fans I know on FB after Bailey and Devore won their primaries. And yet this morning I am seeing rigged claims because Peggy Hubbard lost to Kathy Salvi. *facepalm*
- Waffle Fries - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:30 am:
Holiday weekend! In a reasonably good mood and feeling positive heading into the weekend. I reserve the right to revert to Illinois centric complaining though.
- Ron Burgundy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:36 am:
The Loon Vote gets split multiple ways in a 7 way primary, and now the Loons are wondering why they lost.
And finding a U-Line pen at a polling place will be a sure sign of the conspiracy. /s
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:40 am:
===yes and everyone focuses on the major sports but the lower-dollar (or lower-revenue generating) sports are also going to be greatly impacted by the additional logistics & travel costs.===
The re-negotiation with ESPN and the B1G network in the Los Angeles market will help a great deal.
Tough to see this being a “fiscal” move where USC and UCLA lose.
Whew the SEC added Texas and Oklahoma, the brand went up considerably, wait till B1G resets its own value after this.
- H-W - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:42 am:
@ Jibba - I am disappointed as well. Regions mean something in the context of sports. As a person born in the Commonwealth of Virginia, I love the Atlantic Coast schools. I loathe the Southeast schools. I respect the Midwest and the Big 8/12 for their ferocity. The PAC 10 was always “West Coast offense, etc.
Today, there is none of that. And to keep this Illinois-centric, one has to wonder why the U of I and Northwestern would vote to expand again. What will the actual University of Illinois and Northwestern University get out of this, except a few more dollars when their games are ignored in the California market?
NCAA sports are so much wedded to big business, that conferences are starting to cease to be meaningful. As a result, the SEC has won. End of story. Other conferences no longer matter. The Big 10/12/14/16 ought to rebrand itself as “The Coast to Coast Second Tier Conference.”
- Amalia - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:55 am:
do we know that U of I and Northwestern voted to expand? my guess is yes, but it is against the interests of athletes in many ways. they probably did because the B1G is trying to keep pace with the SEC and they have also out played the ACC with all its media problems (last year was not on Comcast. which is kinda fun since the ACC Commissioner came from Northwestern.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 9:57 am:
=== but it is against the interests of athletes in many ways.===
N.I.L. in the Los Angeies market… basketball, football…. It’s in the best interests of the athletes to get exposure to maximize opportunities
- Ron Burgundy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:05 am:
-do we know that U of I and Northwestern voted to expand? my guess is yes,-
It was unanimous. Other than debating whether this should be happening, the more immediate question is who is next? Cal Berkeley and Stanford would bring the Bay Area and are good academic fits. Washington and Oregon? Rumors about them already. And could this be the time when Notre Dame finally has to make a move or be left without a chair when the music stops, and left without the ability to put a schedule together?
- Joe Bidenopolous - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:06 am:
==The new Big Ten Network deal looks like it will be worth more than $40 million a year for each school.==
==Tough to see this being a “fiscal” move where USC and UCLA lose.==
The *current* BIG payout per school is almost $47 million vs. the $20 million that PAC pays, so those schools are more than doubling their payout at a minimum. SEC schools get $54 million each. Figure the new BIG media deal will be north of $50 million per school.
- Joe Bidenopolous - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:09 am:
Adding…I’m good with this. If there’s going to be major megaconferences, as a Big Ten alum, I don’t want to see the conference left behind. Now they need a couple of other west coast partners - Oregon (Nike) and Washington (media market) fit the bill. Add in Notre Dame and maybe Stanford or maybe steal Mizzou (SEC would nab Clemson), and you’ve got a clean 20. I don’t think either them or the SEC are done until they’re at 24 though
- Cool Papa Bell - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:18 am:
@Joe - I support your thinking. Oregon (with Nike) is a no brainer to pick-up. Stanford is a good get with excellent academics and really good “Olympic sports”.
I think this pushed Notre Dame to join up with someone and why not the Big Ten.
- Proud Papa Bear - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:22 am:
Headed to Chicago today for the NEA National Assembly, the “world’s largest democratic deliberative assembly.”
- The Real Downstate - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:20 am:
When the AAC lost Cinci, Houston, and UCF, they added teams in the West Palm Beach, Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio markets.
- Just Sayin - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:11 pm:
Any chance the B1G might try for Notre Dame next, and if so, will ND actually say “yes?”
Times are changing.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:17 pm:
===Notre Dame===
ND has their own football television deal with a major network and share zero revenues, including for bowl appearances.
They are also part of the ACC, reaping from that alliance where their own (ND’s) football money is not shared.
ND having to share football revenue only works if B1G top the monies ND makes with the ACC agreement and football money NOT shared.
Unlikely, at best.
- Ron Burgundy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:18 pm:
-Times are changing.-
When the mega conferences decide we need to take care of our own, and our members can only schedule 2 nonconference football games in September, schools are not going to use those tuneup games on Notre Dame.
- Cool Papa Bell - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:55 pm:
=ND having to share football revenue only works if B1G top the monies ND makes with the ACC agreement and football money NOT shared.=
“Reports earlier this month had indicated that the Big Ten could finalize its new deal by Memorial Day weekend and that the deal could net nearly double the current annual distribution of $54 million per school. But Iowa athletic director Gary Barta said that figure was wishful thinking.”
Notre Dame gets $15 million for football and I don’t think they get all of the $17 million from the ACC because they aren’t in their football deal.
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- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 2:00 pm:
===And then there’s this: the Wall Street Journal reported that in 2019, Notre Dame brought in $118 million in football-related revenue, and Forbes had the program in 2018 posting a $72 million profit.===
Augusta Free Press
$72 million… in *profit*
- Just Sayin - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 4:24 pm:
==The Big 10 adding USC and UCLA shows just how nuts college sports is. All about the dollars now.==
At least Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers made some sense 10-12 years ago. Although at the time of the Nebraska move in June 2010 I would have also added Mizzou as was originally anticipated for years.