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Bishop Paprocki: “Our nation is divided today over the question of abortion as it was in the 19th century over the question of slavery”

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2023 - Posted by Rich Miller

* From Springfield Bishop Thomas Paprocki’s speech to last week’s Illinois March for Life

We have gathered here from all across the Land of Lincoln because the lives of unborn babies in our state of Illinois are threatened as never before. Since the United States Supreme Court decision last year in Dobbs v. Jackson overturned the 1973 decision of Roe v. Wade and rightfully returned the question of the legality of abortion back to the states, Gov. J.B. Pritzker, Lt. Gov. Juliana Stratton, Attorney General Kwame Raoul, Speaker of the House Emanuel “Chris” Welch, and Senate President Don Harmon, along with many others in Illinois state government, have unequivocally expressed their unabashed desire to expand abortion rights and make Illinois an abortion-friendly haven. Every year, over 10,000 out-of-state residents come to Illinois for abortions, often at taxpayer expense, and that number has been increasing dramatically since June of 2022. In states such as ours, we cannot relax our pro-life efforts now that Roe v. Wade has been overturned. On the contrary, we must step up our struggles to counter the evil forces of death.

Our nation is divided today over the question of abortion as it was in the 19th century over the question of slavery. On June 16, 1858, Abraham Lincoln, before whose statue we gather, gave his famous “House Divided” speech in the Hall of Representatives of the Old State Capitol here in Springfield, Illinois. He started by quoting our Lord Jesus from the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 12, verse 25: “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Mr. Lincoln explained, “I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.”

Similarly, echoing Mr. Lincoln, we should all say, “I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half pro-abortion and half pro-life. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.”

As people of faith, we come here in peace, prayerful asking the members of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of our Illinois state government to “harden not your hearts,” as we read in Psalm 95:8. May you find compassion for the lives of the most vulnerable among us, the sacred human lives of unborn babies.

       

85 Comments
  1. - Baloneymous - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:14 am:

    Waiting for Paprocki’s Godwin’s law moment. good grief. Women’s reproductive rights are like slavery? What a goofball.


  2. - The Truth - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:16 am:

    Equating multigenerational, institutional, inescapable lifelong servitude and abuse to a woman’s right to autonomy over her own body?

    You wonder why church attendance is falling, Bishop?


  3. - vern - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:17 am:

    === As people of faith, we come here in peace ===

    Not sure you’re actually coming in peace if you’re coming to mutter darkly about civil war.


  4. - Secord - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:17 am:

    The Bishop has taken one too many pucks to the head. Pews are barely full in Springfield; he’s not helped draw people into Mass.


  5. - Amalia - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:19 am:

    Paprocki, how dare you. women are devalued over a fertilized egg because of your male centric nonsense. your religion cannot be allowed to triumph over others. mine does not recognize your ridiculous assertion.


  6. - Ducky LaMoore - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:20 am:

    The country can’t survive if the church isn’t in control of women’s bodies by government proxy? I would argue it couldn’t survive with it.


  7. - Arsenal - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:21 am:

    ==I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.==

    I mean, it was, as recently as 18 months ago. The problem is, you guys didn’t like that, so you blew it up.

    I agree that eventually it’s going to become all one thing, but I suspect Paprocki won’t like which thing that is.


  8. - Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:21 am:

    ==he’s not helped draw people into Mass==

    That’s because he’s preached exclusion. He’s not interested in brining people into the fold in hopes of ministering to them. He’s interesting in preaching hate towards them.

    And seriously? Comparing abortion to slavery? Please.


  9. - Montrose - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:22 am:

    Just when I think my frustration with the Catholic church can’t get any worse….


  10. - Tired teacher - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:23 am:

    Ridiculous and absurd. The bishop has twisted history to make this comparison; the two issues not the same.


  11. - Appears - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:30 am:

    I say what I say a lot: if men were the one’s having babies, abortion would be legal.


  12. - Rudy’s teeth - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:33 am:

    If only Bishop Paprocki was so adamant on this topic.

    https://www.bishop-accountability.org

    This website is the largest public library of information on the Catholic clergy abuse crisis.


  13. - Three Dimensional Checkers - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:35 am:

    Sounds Christian.


  14. - hisgirlfriday - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:37 am:

    I fear that Bishop Paprocki is correct in making an analogy between our times and the 1850s and the Dobbs ruling could prove to be just as destabilizing to our Union as the Dred Scott case.

    What Paprocki doesn’t seem to pick up on is he is on the slaver side of this situation by denying women autonomy over their bodies and supporting Republican efforts to make woman unfree in every state in the U.S.

    The Republican “womb-catcher” legislation trying to prevent women from unfree states exercising reproductive freedom in free states like Illinois is akin to the legislative support for slave-catcher laws that slave states supported in the antebellum U.S.

    It is not surprising that a leader from an institution which deems women second-class humans would seek to enshrine such second-class status for women in public policy. But it is tragic that any of our elected officials would listen to him.


  15. - TheInvisibleMan - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:37 am:

    Well, as much as I’d love to hear more on this topic from an organization that for centuries condemned infants who died from sickness pre-baptism into limbo for eternity. The church even made the guy(St. Augustine) who made that rule, a saint.

    They changed their mind once about their infallible beliefs. They best do it again.

    Instead, their choice is to mutter words about civil war.


  16. - Excitable Boy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:37 am:

    I don’t know, Bishop, since then folks like you went from wanting to control the entire body to just the uterus, that’s some kind of progress isn’t it?


  17. - Steve - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:41 am:

    - “I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half pro-abortion and half pro-life.-

    The Dobbs case wasn’t so much about abortion as the scope of the 14th Amendment. This means federalism. A state like Illinois expanded abortion rights while some states didn’t. The whole “House divided” concept really isn’t useful here. According to Paprocki’s logic all states would have the same laws on every subject in the legal code. Some states have state income taxes , some don’t. The world isn’t going to end over diversity : which is what federalism is.


  18. - Nick Name - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:43 am:

    Bishop Paprocki, you cannot say the Court “rightfully returned the question of the legality of abortion back to the states” and in the same breath blast Illinois’ elected leaders for doing exactly what the Court envisioned in its Dobbs decision.

    #unclearontheconcept


  19. - Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:44 am:

    I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half Big Government, Nanny-State Republican and half Freedom and Liberty Democrats.

    Fixed it for the Bish.


  20. - Amalia - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:47 am:

    Also, I sure hope he is not advocating war over the issue.


  21. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:47 am:

    Women’s rights to their own bodies should not be enslaved by a religious right feeling the need to tell women what rights they have or do not have.

    The rest is pathetic righteous indignation and disguised as morality…

    … it’s as the Bishop doesn’t see his flock as followers but as beholds slaves to a religious want.


  22. - Candy Dogood - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:48 am:

    ===I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half pro-abortion and half pro-life.===

    I actually agree with this. Since those states that are attacking the rights of women and denying them access to healthcare and their ability to control reproductive rights are creating numerous examples about why these policies are horrific they’re going to create instances that will erode support for those policies while also underscoring that women’s rights need to be defined in a fashion that can’t be overturned by rapists and religious zealots serving on the court that do not believe women should have rights.

    I think its fascinating that he thinks tens of millions of people would just be cool with having their rights stripped away from them.


  23. - Big Dipper - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:49 am:

    He comes from a deeply misogynistic church that won’t allow women to be priests so is anyone surprised?


  24. - low level - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:07 am:

    ==As people of faith, we come here in peace, prayerful asking the members of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of our Illinois state government to “harden not your hearts,”==

    Thats what he does contantly


  25. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:12 am:

    ===the 14th Amendment. This means federalism. A state like Illinois expanded abortion rights while some states didn’t.===

    Please stop with this utter garbage on a ruling predicated on the 14th Amendment ideal, when women’s rights had to be enshrined later… TO VOTE.

    ===The whole “House divided” concept really isn’t useful here. According to Paprocki’s logic all states would have the same laws on every subject in the legal code. Some states have state income taxes , some don’t. The world isn’t going to end over diversity : which is what federalism is.===

    Take this utter nonsense that women in some states are less in their own body rights because “it’s fine, it’s federalism”

    You keep thinking you’re smart in this because of a ruling that has put women back TO the 14th Amendment but not equal to &#%@ vote.


  26. - Perrid - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:15 am:

    “Often at taxpayers expense” - what’s he talking about? People living out of state don’t qualify for Medicaid, so how is the state paying for out of state abortions? I may be missing something here, there are lots of grants and things, but I don’t see how what he says is happening is happening


  27. - Lucky Pierre - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:23 am:

    It is the job of a Catholic bishop to defend the Church’s pro life beliefs, held by millions, that life begins at conception and should be defended until natural death.

    That position has never wavered despite protestations from politicians.

    22% of Catholics still identify as liberal

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States


  28. - Lincoln Lad - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:23 am:

    I wonder sometimes if declining attendance and a decline in importance of the church is part of the reason we as a people don’t care as much for our fellow man as we did… don’t strive to be better than we are more than we do… Then I read what this Bishop uses his position to espouse… and it saddens me and reminds me of the harm the church too often does and why so many fewer people turn to it for guidance and inspiration. So, so sad…


  29. - Rich Miller - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:28 am:

    ===and should be defended until natural death.===

    Even after natural death https://capitolfax.com/2023/03/20/lets-see-if-we-can-get-this-cemetery-cleaned-up/


  30. - walker - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:29 am:

    Yep
    And both the pro-slavery clergy then, and the anti-choice clergy now misused cherry-picked Scripture passages to justify their positions


  31. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:29 am:

    ===It is the job of a Catholic bishop to defend the Church’s pro life beliefs, held by millions===

    Are we now ruled by Catholic doctrine or constitutional rights?

    It’s fun you choosing religion over women and their rights.

    Good to know. Thanks


  32. - Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:30 am:

    ==It is the job of a Catholic bishop to defend the Church’s pro life beliefs==

    And you think you do that by comparing abortion to slavery? Why doesn’t it surprise me that you too would support such a goofy belief.


  33. - New Day - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:39 am:

    Paprocki has said so many crazy, nasty, reactionary, exclusionary, misogynist and bizarre things over the years. I’m amazed Pope Francis has not removed him by now.


  34. - Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:40 am:

    == half pro-abortion and half pro-life.==

    More like 61/37 (80/20 among dems). Should we let voters decide…or is SCOTUS divinely inspired?


  35. - Notorious JMB - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:49 am:

    The Catholic Church has had the same pro-life stance for centuries and that isn’t going to change regardless of what any public opinion polls say.


  36. - TheInvisibleMan - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 10:56 am:

    –part of the reason we as a people don’t care as much for our fellow man as we did–

    When was this mythical time? Was it during the period of slavery the bishop is referencing? Or the more recent covering up of child abuse to protect the institution of the church?

    I’m sure you’ve heard the saying “If you need religion to be a good person, you aren’t a good person.” I’m sure there are plenty of people who consider themselves good people. The other people in their wake usually disagree with such a self-assessment


  37. - TheInvisibleMan - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:00 am:

    –Catholic Church has had the same pro-life stance for centuries–

    The same? Not really. Remember that limbo guy?

    “St. Augustine declared that abortion is not homicide but was only a sin if it was intended to conceal fornication or adultery.”

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12178868/


  38. - Nick Name - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:05 am:

    ===t is the job of a Catholic bishop to defend the Church’s pro life beliefs===

    Great, then let him. But America is officially a secular country and the Catholic Church has no right to impose its teachings on America’s hundreds of millions of non-Catholics. Would that the Church tried to convert people by reflecting the love of Christ in the Gospel rather than through force via legislation and court opinions.

    Bottom line: if you don’t like abortion, don’t get one.


  39. - Hannibal Hamlin - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:10 am:

    Nobody ever mentions that abortion = murdering a baby. Period. The Bishop and real Catholics will never waver on that point. Since everyone has so much free time to hang here, do a simple search on the remorse and affects on both women and men who have had abortions. That is never discussed when bills fly through the Capitol on the wings of Planned Parenthood checks.

    With the country split 50/50 on the issue, and after Illinois won many seats solely on the pro-abortion issue, how can anyone argue Bishop Paprocki’s succinct statement, “Our nation is divided today over the question of abortion as it was in the 19th century over the question of slavery.”

    Brandon Johnson is trying to make points by stating that “Paul Vallas is fundamentally Pro-Life” as if that is a horrific stance to take. How dare he infer that “Paul Vallas fundamentally believes that we should avoid killing a baby”….hmmm.


  40. - Occasional Quipper - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:11 am:

    == Should we let voters decide…or is SCOTUS divinely inspired? ==

    SCOTUS didn’t rule that abortion is wrong. They just correctly ruled they it’s up to the states to decide because it is not specifically covered in the U.S. constitution. You don’t like the law in your state, then try to get it changed, or move.


  41. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:16 am:

    ===correctly ruled===

    “Roe is settled law”

    It’s adorable that “state’s rights” for women is totally fine.

    It’s *EXACTLY* why a woman’s right to vote needed to be enshrined in the constitution after the 14th Amendment was already passed.

    Treating women and their rights to their own bodies as a “states’ rights” issue is inherently anti-women rights, “because state borders”

    “Roe is settled law” is the biggest lie told in any thought to law, because it was “only” settled to the point the Mitch McConnell court put Justice Thomas as the de facto Chief… as McConnell saw as his goal… in a book easily found and sold today.


  42. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:19 am:

    ===then try to get it changed, or move.===

    This… ALL ALONE…

    Anyone who tells their mothers, aunts, wife, daughters, nieces, or friends that they need to move to have the right to their bodies…

    … they are truly the worst souls to those in their own lives that they see as “unequal” to men.


  43. - Occasional Quipper - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:25 am:

    == “Roe is settled law” ==

    Please tell me where the right to have an abortion is spelled out in the U.S. Constitution?


  44. - Osborne Smith III - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:25 am:

    Verbal diarrhea like that makes me wish Paprocki would stick to hockey. Seriously, Bishop? You’re equating slavery to the right of a person able to carry a child having autonomy over their body? Get out of here.


  45. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:27 am:

    ===Please tell me where the right to have an abortion is spelled out in the U.S. Constitution?===

    Please tell me why the nominees to SCOTUS, each and every since, felt the need to say that?

    Your beef is with the 9 who currently sit on SCOTUS that reiterated that phrase… not me…

    Even the women sitting on the court that you see as unequal to you.


  46. - Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:28 am:

    ==The Supreme Court has held that adults have the right to personal autonomy in matters relating to their own medical care.==

    Unless a fertilized egg attaches to their uterus.


  47. - BobIsMyUncle - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:39 am:

    “that life begins at conception and should be defended until natural death.

    That position has never wavered despite protestations from politicians.”

    Pope Innocent I, the Catechism of the Council of Trent, Pope Pious X, Pope Pious XII, etc. disagree.


  48. - someonehastosayit - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:40 am:

    ===22% of Catholics still identify as liberal=== catholic with a lower case c literally means universal, so it would seem the Church has to be a home for liberals as well as the conservatives.


  49. - 47th Ward - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:42 am:

    Has anyone told Bishop Paproki that men in dresses in places like Tennessee are breaking the law?


  50. - BobIsMyUncle - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:47 am:

    “= murdering a baby”

    Seventh grade bio was too much for some people obviously. Please define when a group of cells becomes a “baby”.


  51. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:49 am:

    ===With the country split 50/50 on the issue===

    That’s inherently untrue.

    Cite please, and while you have your full righteous indignation, please explain how Kansas voters felt about abortion and rights last election.

    Kansas.


  52. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:51 am:

    ===“Our nation is divided today over the question of abortion as it was in the 19th century over the question of slavery.”===

    This only works in humanity if you believe owning another person is a good position.

    As you wring your hands, are you ready to first tell women they have no rights to their bodies, then tell other folks “well, slavery was right”?


  53. - Occasional Quipper - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:54 am:

    == This only works in humanity if you believe owning another person is a good position. ==

    I agree it’s not okay to own another person. So why is it okay for a woman to “own” the person who is growing inside their body and even have it killed before it’s born?


  54. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 11:56 am:

    ===I agree it’s not okay to own another person. So why is it okay for a woman to “own”…===

    … the medical rights to her own body?

    Hmm.

    Telling a woman they must carry a pregnancy to term… that’s “owning” a woman’s body, I mean, it’s not her making the choice.


  55. - Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:04 pm:

    ==why is it okay for a woman to “own” the person who is growing inside their body and even have it killed==

    Church vs. State. Care to explain how God gets a pass on his own law…allowing 10-20% of women to spontaneously abort? Not to mention lethal fetal abnormalities.


  56. - Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:06 pm:

    = SCOTUS didn’t rule that abortion is wrong. They just correctly ruled they it’s up to the states to decide because it is not specifically covered in the U.S. constitution. You don’t like the law in your state, then try to get it changed, or move. =

    Heterosexual “lifestyle” marriage isnt in the Constitution either. Neither are cars or computers. Jesus wasnt married and didnt drive or use a computer.


  57. - Papa2008 - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:09 pm:

    OW you are laser focused on what the government should or should not be able to tell/direct a woman on what she can do with her body. I don’t see that as the question. Everyone should be free to do whatever they wish with their own body. The question is:
    Why is it ok for a woman to kill her child, when it’s not okay for someone else to do it?


  58. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:12 pm:

    ===what the government should or should not be able to tell/direct a woman on what she can do with her body.===

    What choice is it if the government requires a woman to carry a pregnancy to term?

    Are there states currently requiring women to actively have abortions “because of the law”?

    If there are, I’m sure women in those states might object too


  59. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:13 pm:

    ===Why is it ok for a woman to kill her child===

    You favor forced pregnancy?

    How will that work?


  60. - Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:24 pm:

    ==Everyone should be free to do whatever they wish with their own body.==

    If you truly believed that then you wouldn’t have made the next comment you made.


  61. - Steve - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:34 pm:

    -when women’s rights had to be enshrined later… TO VOTE.-

    You’ve made the point. The 14th Amendment was just supposed to constitutionalize the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (which is still on the books). It was intended to give the freedmen the most basic civil rights which they were denied. Sadly, it had nothing to do with voting rights (the 15th Amendment had to be passed,or desegregating schools. Lastly, does anyone believe the 14th Amendment gives you a right via the 7th Amendment to get a jury trial for a $50 parking ticket?


  62. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:37 pm:

    ===Lastly, does anyone believe the 14th Amendment gives you a right via the 7th Amendment to get a jury trial for a $50 parking ticket?===

    Facebook is down the dial a bit, some dorms are closed for spring break, but if you look hard there are some dorms reopened now.


  63. - Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:38 pm:

    ==So why is it okay for a woman to “own” the person who is growing inside their body==

    You answered your own question. It’s inside THEIR body.


  64. - Jibba - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:39 pm:

    I’d like to say that this cements my opinion of the Catholic Church, but that ship sailed long ago. However, his Civil War language is probably apt given the mood of the country at the moment. It also shows the utter futility in believing that a compromise can be reached with true believers on this subject. Lacking actual conflict, we’re in for a long 30 years of struggle since neither side will likely change their opinion.


  65. - Notorious JMB - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:41 pm:

    @invisibleman. By your own evidence the church has taught abortion is a sin (I.e., something you can go to hell for) since 600 and has become more stringent overtime. They’re not going to reverse that because of a court case or public opinion poll.


  66. - Shibboleth - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:43 pm:

    We live in a multicultural pluralistic society, and different people have different beliefs about when life begins.

    If we codify the idea that life begins at conception, the beliefs of hundreds of millions of Americans who disagree and may want to seek abortion as medical care are disregarded and their ability to control their lives limited.

    If we don’t codify that belief and thus allow elective abortion, those Americans can act on their beliefs. Those who believe abortion is murder don’t have to get or support abortions.

    I think there is a fundamental distinction between a potential life and a living human. I recognize that many people disagree, but my position lets those beliefs co-exist and be practiced as needed by those holding them. Paprocki’s position would not, and it has and will have real effects on the lives of people close to me.


  67. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:44 pm:

    ===They’re not going to reverse that because of a court case or public opinion poll.===

    That’s why separation of church and state matters.

    We’re not the United Catholic States of America.

    Isn’t religious type laws what freedom lovin’ ‘Mericans complain about in other places?


  68. - Former Downstater - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 12:54 pm:

    How many people who the Catholic Church considers Catholic are even practicing anymore? I was baptized Catholic, but became an Atheist years ago. Yet the Catholic Church still considers me a member because I haven’t followed their archaic removal process of sending a certified letter to a bishop or something. I suspect I am far from alone in that regard.


  69. - Near West Side - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 1:04 pm:

    ==Paprocki has said so many crazy, nasty, reactionary, exclusionary, misogynist and bizarre things over the years. I’m amazed Pope Francis has not removed him by now.==

    Removal is rare, reassignment is more common, but the diocese of Springfield is not considered a plum appointment. He’s likely going nowhere.


  70. - Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 1:33 pm:

    Why do Catholics insist on forcing their “lifestyle choice” on others?


  71. - TheInvisibleMan - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 1:37 pm:

    –By your own evidence the church has taught abortion is a sin–

    Read the link. It was a sin to get an abortion *to cover up infidelity*. Beyond that, the church was fine with abortion for hundreds of years.

    The beliefs of the church many people today think are timeless in this regard, have only existed since the 1960s.


  72. - Give Us Barabbas - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 2:05 pm:

    I think Paprocki is disappointed he didn’t get a higher position in Chicago, and got sent down to the minor leagues,so he uses this populist conservative rage provoking to build some kind of following and influence outside of the church heirarchy to satisfy his ego.


  73. - Dotnonymous - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 2:06 pm:

    Humans are one conflicted species…Imagine.


  74. - Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 2:23 pm:

    ==I think Paprocki is disappointed he didn’t get a higher position==

    And he won’t as long as he keeps publicly disagreeing with the Pope, which he has done several times.


  75. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 2:30 pm:

    You can make a case that Bishop Paprocki is disappointed that Francis is Pope.

    It is odd that the Papal lineage is to be followed by Bishops and Cardinals as the Church… and Bishop Paprocki finds himself struggling to find his own place within strict followings of the Pope.

    Now… Paprocki can be at odds with the Pope, but us Catholics can’t be at odds with Paprocki as we agree with Pope Francis?

    Which College of Cardinals made Paprocki Pope?


  76. - Steve - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 2:33 pm:

    -Facebook is down the dial a bit-

    Don’t let the “living breathing constitution” get you down.


  77. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 2:45 pm:

    ===Don’t let…===

    … your ridiculous idea that you know what your saying embarrass you by spouting silly talking points.

    If you think you are clarifying or adding by them, your point has been to go back to a time before women could vote because that makes sense when talking about 21st century women’s rights.

    Facebook is perfect for that.


  78. - Rudy’s teeth - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 2:51 pm:

    If only the Catholic Church was as stringent in identifying and removing pedophile priests as the Church is on the issue of a woman’s choice.

    So many individuals still harbor Catholic guilt from years of grammar school and high school religious instruction. Now as adults, we learn that priests use apps to find dates. Wonder what are the Bishop’s thoughts on that topic?

    Is the Bishop’s intent to deflect from individuals coming forward with memories of abuse at the hands of priests?


  79. - Steve - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 3:04 pm:

    - your ridiculous idea that you know what your saying embarrass you-

    You were saying?

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf


  80. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 3:11 pm:

    ===You were saying?===

    “Roe is settled law”

    The McConnell Court chose to use a maneuver to see “Roe” as not only unsettled because of an amendment that wouldn’t recognize women’s rights, like to vote, but galvanized Democrats in ways not seen…

    … and reminding voters, especially women voters…

    Republicans are dangerous to women’s health.

    Like I said, Facebook is good for this. Find the Far Right religious zealots that see the disingenuous justices that seem to have forgotten why they said in their own hearings why “Roe” was settled.

    As for me, Hobbs does is make impossible for Republicans to be on the side of women’s health, and tough to win elections as a result.


  81. - DMC - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 3:59 pm:

    Again, the world would be a better place without organized religion. The ultimate tribalism


  82. - TheInvisibleMan - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 4:40 pm:

    –Is the Bishop’s intent to deflect from individuals coming forward–

    Nah, the State’s Attorneys mostly do that job for them by sending the complainants away with “nobody will take you seriously”. It’s why so many of the survivors have to take the civil route to find any relief, instead of the more appropriate criminal route.

    It helps even more when the State’s Attorney is an alumni of their schools.


  83. - One dude - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 6:24 pm:

    Not understanding the angst.

    Last time checked Democrats run every level of government here. How do his words harm anyone or anything?

    Am I wrong?


  84. - ANNON'IN - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 8:37 pm:

    Perhaps The Goalie should get ready for some prop. Tax bills


  85. - Jibba - Tuesday, Mar 28, 23 @ 9:29 pm:

    ==Am I wrong?==

    When an alleged peaceful holy man makes remarks darkly hinting at civil war, I think some angst is allowable.


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