It’s not often I compliment Illinois Review but they did a good live blog of the Medical Marijuana debate earlier, and now they have another live blog for this bill, for those of you trying to follow on the train or watering hole.
I think the GOP figures Stephens is a lame duck for his seat anyway, so let him ride point on these social issues, and if he gets a lot of voters riled up, it was a pinch-sacrifice play. They know they are on the wrong side being against these bills, but they have to play to their base and look like they fought the good fight.
OK there’s another “no” speech by David Reis. And in all fairness, he has a point - some state courts have used the justification, that a state already passed a civil union bill, as a further reason to order those states to enact gay marriage. But I cannot see how that could apply to Illinois, given that marriage is currently defined as opposite-sex in the Constitution.
If this passes the Governor deserves a lot of credit for creating the environment for the timing. I’m not sure people would have allowed a social issue to come up now when the financial situation is so dire without the Governor campaigning on the issue and calling for passage.
Congrats and thank you to those who voted “Yea.” You have a place of honor in Illinois history. Kudos to Gov. Pat Quinn for supporting this important civil rights legislation. Thank goodness for those who take a public stand against discrimination.
The Illinois House will never be the same without Bill Black, we may not have seen eye to eye but every time I met him he was the nicest person and he truly cares. When I worked for the House he was always a favorite among both parties. He is a true Statesman and I would vote for him for any office if I could
I’d argue that the 52 who voted No should have expressed the reasoning for their vote a bit more. Stephens and Reis were, for all intents and purposes, the only two who spoke in opposition, where as many spoke in favor.
If the bill passed overwhelmingly, I’d say two speaking against is a decent cross section, but with less than 10 votes separating the two sides, I think more of those opposing the bill should have articulated their rationale.
I nominate Joe Lyons for the gutless list, a member of the Democratic “leadership” team. Maybe he should switch parties.
And Amalia, you are correct about the two present votes, they should be on the list also.
- one day at a time - Tuesday, Nov 30, 10 @ 6:54 pm:
Thanks to all who voted yes in this vote….Now on to the Senate for another affirmative majority vote and to Gov. Quinn for his signature into law!!! It only makes sense.
Thanks everyone so far for cluing me up. I’m seeing Mulligan and Saviano as Yes and McAuliffe, Lyons as no and I’m wondering. that’s the first geographic pattern that makes me wonder. I mean, Crespo voted yes!!!!! so i’m wondering.
“Will we get another video of the electronic voting like we did for the Medical Marijuana bill earlier”
Maybe I’m the only one seeing it cynically, but if you track that earlier video of Lang back to that republican-funded news organization’s main YouTube page, it starts to seem like a lot of slanted coverage designed to generate “awareness” of Lang directly coupled to Marijuana. That couldn’t possibly be part of a subtle strategy, could it? Certainly, they are making no *overt* editorial comment; they would be the first to tell you they are “just reporting the facts.” And that is completely true, as far as it goes. Still, it seems very…. focused - on Just Lou and Pot. This was the kind of thing I was talking about, when I said I agreed with the Correspondent’s Association not taking these guys in with open arms. I sense a non-news agenda. More subtle than most, but there.
I just walked in the door and read this and all the comments. I am so proud of the Illinois House for putting this important civil rights legislation on the path to soon becoming law. I have tears in my eyes.
surge voter - I would not call Joe Lyons gutless. I would call him politically clueless. He probably will prefer to change parties rather than run in a Primary in the new District he will get in 2012. Will the Cardinal give him a job after he loses?
This is a victory for 60’s culture that has destroyed this country which started with the Warren Court. In 1960 prayer was legal in the schools, the unborn were protected by law and Childen respected their parents. I want 1960 America back!
Shame on Joe Lyons, John D’Amico and Mike McAuliffe for voting against this bill. I realize they are all north west siders but c’mon!! You have safe districts so long as you have a pulse. While you may have a pulse, today brings into question whether you have a heart!!
Dear Catholic Boy: how confusing it must be to live in the Roman Catholic Church. prior to some time in the 1800s, abortion was not “from the moment of conception” and the pope was not infallible.
then there’s the small matter of the church for the first few hundred years and women as priests and the first 1000 years with married priests. I’m sure Jesus would hardly recognize Christianity if he came over to your house!
This is an illegitimate vote carried by those who have been replaced by their constituents by representatives who are firmly against this bill. Bassi for Morrison, Walker for Harris, Boland for Morthland, Gordon for Rezin. That would reduce the yes total to 57. Sente will be in trouble over her vote in that District.
Catholic boy: it’s frickin’ pathetic that you yearn for a time where blacks were openly discriminated against, women were basically locked out of our economy and political structure, and homosexuality had to be hidden because of scared, insecure bigots like you. while my wife is catholic, she clearly has much, MUCH higher moral standards than you. there is nothing christian, nothing moral, nothing even remotely religious about someone who wishes that this country return to open discrimination of its citizens. you should be ashamed of yourself and your position, and as a christian, i will tell you that *i* am ashamed for you. your bigotry betrays christ, betrays his message of love and hope for the world, and demonstrates nothing but a self-righteousness — exactly the kind of thing against which jesus christ spoken openly and frequently about.
thankfully, THIS COUNTRY has moved beyond the political and religious neanderthals like you who aren’t comfortable with the world unless they are repressing people who aren’t like themselves. your comment is not just pathetic, it’s disgusting and speaks to your own lack of morality. you sanctimonious jerk…
Yeah, a lot of people sure have gotten uppity since then. People of color, women, gays, young people — and you know those folks in wheelchairs will never even TRY to walk if you keep pampering them with ramps and lifts.
Nowadays, you turn a fire hose and dogs on peaceful marchers and all of sudden YOU’RE the bad guy.
Heck, dude, why stop at 1960? Now 1860, that was a year. BBQs at Tara, a labor pool you could rely on (with proper supervision, of course). All Gone with the Wind.
That’s when the Democratic Party was the Democratic Party (you wouldn’t be welcome, though, Catholic Boy). Lincoln, Grant, Sherman and those johnny-come-lately Republicans had to ruin it for everyone — well, not everyone. But white dudes like me.
Michael Zalewski and Michael Carberry belong on the gutless list. Both appointed to their seats and instead of voting with the values of their constituents that they are supposed to represent, they vote with the party leaders that paved the way for their appointments.
oh, wait, I get it….Catholic Boy is a parody! he’s kind of like the Stephen Colbert of the blog. No, wait, Stephen Colbert is a gay rights loving, sunday school teaching, practicing Roman Catholic. my brain must be fogged from joy over this vote. My Roman Catholic raised husband sends his regards to the bigots in the dresses.
The Catholic Church always taught against abortion dating back to the 1st Century Didache as well as early Christian practice of rescuing abandoned babies and stopping infanticide.
There was some debate as to when “ensoulment” happened and at what point. It is science that reveals that life begins at conception and not religion per se. Religion may guide and even compel people to protect human life. St. Thomas Aquinas and others speculated that life began after 30 or 40 days but still prohibited abortion. Science today as clarified as to when life begins. Look at the work of Doctor and geneticist Dr. LeJeune.
Civil Unions is a different issue from abortion. It seems that adults should be allowed to leave inheritance and hospital visitation to whom they think is best. If it moves to marriage it will change the paradigm.
Thank you to all Illinois reps who voted yes to this legislation no matter the party affiliation. I know some may have voted differently were they not retiring or otherwise not returning to Springfield after this session, but whatever the reason, thank you for standing up for what’s right and fair and decent and picking up the slack where your more cowardly colleagues didn’t dare tread.
- Wizzard of Ozzie - Wednesday, Dec 1, 10 @ 3:55 am:
Governor Quinn has played an instrumental role in passing this legislation. Anyone in the capitol who was not preoccupied with power purchase agreements saw members one by one walking into the Governor’s office for meetings the last two days. Both Dems and Republicans. Great timing coming onto to the floor to lend weight to the bill.
Congrats to Greg Harris (one of the best human beings I’ve ever met, after the bill he went over to Stephens and Reis to shake their hands, pure class);
Sara Feigenholtz (for her longtime championing of the rights of those in her district);
Rep. Osterman for his strength and clarity of thought;
Rep. Gordon for laying out a compelling justification;
Rep. Burns for extraordinarily thoughtful and insightful comments. Best speech I’ve ever heard on the House floor;
Rep. Dunkin for his bravery;
Rep. Beaubian for his strength and class;
and to Rep. Bill Black, for being one of the most thoughtful, productive, engaged and committed members that this building has ever seen.